Good day,

I'm planning to get a good water Purification system, anyone can enlighten and advice me which one i should get, perhaps is this necessary ?

So far i found only Elken and Diamond brand, anyone have idea which one is better choice or any other recommended choice?

Thank you !

for washing this ans that, go ahead...

for drinking, better no... save the $$$...

100% purified water is bad for health...

Diamond is good... Pay RM499 deposit then they install the unit in your home... Mineral Water... just like Spritzer and Evian... Then every month pay RM60 or Rm80... Every year they change the filters for free, then every 3 years they change a new unit for you... then ah, if happen the unit kena curi or broken, they replace a new unit for free also... like this is quite a good deal la... if elken or any other brands, they do not give you free unit after 3 years, and when change filter kena pay yourself... so Diamond is the answer....

RO water is bad for health. it is also acidic.

i have been using RO water for many years.

just changed to Alkaline water. google up alkaline water and there are so many benefits.

But Diamond's water has some weird taste. I drank once a few years ago and the water was like very different from other R.O water. It had somewhat like poison taste. That was maybe the filter malfunction or the water memang like that. Not only I felt the difference but also my mom.

Must be your unit got problem leh... I drink all fine and nice... just like Evian wor...

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Added on October 25, 2009, 10:59 pmNow is a good time to get Diamond... They have this promotion... sign up Diamond, can get holiday hotel accomodation voucher... 4D3N Bali or Phuket, And 3D 2N Local destination...i.e Langkawi, Pahang...etc... 2 holiday vouchers... is a good deal la...

This post has been edited by paul12: Oct 25 2009, 10:59 PM

I was quite worried to hear about RO water to be bad for health, so i googled up some info regarding this matter.
Afterall, health is an important matter

Anyways here is what i found, u can read up about it.

about drinking RO water

Of course, i do take into consideration that these are answers posted up by normal people, so i did check if its really from the Water QUality Association website, and it was indeed posted on their website although i dont know why its incomplete (prolly sucky website maintenance).

This is the link from their site:
http://www.wqa.org/sitelogic.cfm?ID=1346

I do worry about what I consume, and so far my family and I have been drinking RO water since the water quality is quite bad for my area.

Hope this helps

Amway's eSpring is recommended.

http://www.espring.com/English-EU/WhyEspri...58.aspx?pgid=13

So i think you should change to Diamond Mineral Water also. They have this trade-in scheme... trade in your old unit for Diamond mineral water set.... and can get holiday 5 days lagi... RO is not good for kids... this is for sure... adults is ok... kids, better take mineral water or Energy water... but dun take Dr Sukida, that is definitely not suitable for kids... even the Dr Sukida sales personnel said so... the good brands to take is Diamond, Elken, Cosway. Diamond is the most worthwhile since they have many guarantees...

Can just try it out for 14 days to feel the wonders... if no feel, can get money back...

It is funny to see that people choosing Water Treatment System depending on the scheme, the holidays (pulaz?). In my personal opinion, the most important issue of concerning a good WTS is how clean the system can deliver to the end users, and if price is in concerning as well. u might have to choose them depends on your needs. Just like choosing a local proton vs bmw.

So far I read that RO water is safe for consumption.

Hmm..Can i know why its not good for kids? It's better if you can provide the actual material or data for better understanding..
I care more for the health issues, so the freebies doesn't really matter - it's just a bonus if they do provide it.

Thanks in advance.

I basically need it for my family, i need hot boil water instantly...

no offence, i heard many ppl say Diamond is not good in quality and the offer always misleading ....not sure anyone can clarify that ?

personaly dont like diamond because their offer misleading, especially the last time zero payment, the equation they do is u buy 1, they free u one, so end up its 0, 1+1(free)=0.
but its actually buy 1 at 50% becoz they free u one.

hate the way they do business.

btw RO is acidic if following the Quality Water webpage "said", what about diamond? u sure it is alkaline? and pure ro water bring no harm to u, u might ask "no nutrient in it"
let me ask u, do u know drink one cup of soya, some of the nutrients equals to 250cups of water? do u live by only drinking DIAMOND water?

surely u got eat outside foods and drinks. Vege, Meat, Beans plus juice etc etc are all the nutrient source.

next u go to the basic function of elken bs diamond. elken has a release pipe where dirty water are pass out during the ro process, so ur inner filters are cleaner and can use up to a year b4 u need to change one compare to D u only has one input and one output, all the particles are stored inside till the yr u change it.

for the mineral water stuff... plz lah, its just becoz it has minerals inside the water, and it is safe to drink, so it is called mineral water. go get a water pipe and boil it and it is a kind of safe to drink mineral water too. Spritzer argue on it as well.

3yrs for a new unit, is good as we all can see. But think again. D is only consist of input and output after passing 6filters, there's no point to change the outer container. u just have to change the 6 filters inside it, then it's more than enough.

again the argument is about the nutrient inside the water. what nutrient u can get in what ONLY but not any other resources?

This post has been edited by frostworld: Oct 26 2009, 02:29 PM

My family and I have been drinking RO water for the past 15 years. My wife drank RO when she was pregnant 12 years ago and my daughter has been drinking RO since birth. We continue drinking RO till today without the bullshit negative side effects reported or written by certain websites that promote other filtration system. Lots of my friends have been drinking RO water for more than 10 years and none of us have fallen ill due to nutrient deficiencies. I have tested RO myself and the pH is between 7 and 8.

Yes, there are many good filtration system on market other than RO. I stick with RO because this is the only system that is able to remove almost all the contaminants. This is the main reason I use RO. You may eat plenty of greens to maintain alkalinity in your body.

I don't believe those negative reports written on the net. They are promoting their filtration system especially the minerals thing. You eat your minerals from food. You don't need minerals from water. Plants do, not human. Plants get their minerals from the soil (metallic minerals like those from water) and convert to colloidal form which can be easily absorbed and utilized by our body.

If you want minerals or alkalinity in your water you can buy those offered by Medklinn and add them to your RO water. This method is better than buying a mineral water filtration system.

well I would recommend to boil tap water instead of filtered water cuz filtered water will filter all the dirt and minerals from the water leaving the water useless, which is bad for health.

added:
@4Rings: RO won't cause nutrient deficiencies.

This post has been edited by euphoria88: Oct 26 2009, 06:04 PM

Support this.
I have both Diamond and Elken, and right now i go more to elken because it is a pure non contaminants water.

how can you make sure it is pure and non contaminants? Did you contact with the 3rd party organization that test the water treatment system? I have been searching in the NSF database for quite sometimes and I didn't really see what you guys recommended appear in the database of NSF-certified drinking water treatment products. The database is updating quite frequently. The latest is on Monday, October 26, 2009 at 4:15 AM Eastern Time.

This is the link of the complete list: http://www.nsf.org/Certified/dwtu/

You're most welcome to check if your products appear in their list.

Why NSF?


So, what are the contaminants your water treatment can filter or maybe 'treat'? and how many are them?

ELKEN! I Suggest...

This friday at section 2 setapak there will be a talk on how to choose the right water purification system.if anyone interested to join,pm me.

What products are going to be talked about?

water purification system only.its in mandarin.

seems a nice talk. ppl who has questions and doubting what to buy can attend then. =)

RO water filter guide

Myth #4 - Reverse osmosis filtration produces very acidic water with low pH
Truth: Reverse osmosis has little affect on water pH values.

Reverse osmosis purification may or may not reduce pH levels as it removes unhealthy inorganic minerals from tap water. Water pH is very complicated and pH levels vary constantly depending on a host of factors which can only be measured by water chemists and PhDs. The truth is, water pH levels will automatically change when it is ingested and comes into contact with the food in your stomach. Even on an empty stomach, your stomach acid alone is already several times more acidic than RO water (pH 6-8) with a pH level of 2.





The human body regulates pH levels constantly to find balance and equilibrium. Therefore under normal conditions it will always maintain a neutral 7.4 pH balance. Even eating very acidic foods (very low pH) only alters the body's pH by a very tiny amount and only for a short time. The healthy body is very robust and it will restore homeostatic pH fairly quickly and easily. Soft drinks and sports drinks typically have a pH level of 2.5, orange juice has a 3 pH and coffee has a 4 pH level and we drink these beverages all the time without problems.

As long as you eat a well balanced diet which includes vegetables and fruits, you can pretty much drink whatever you want without ever worrying about your pH balance.

This post has been edited by ally chai: Oct 28 2009, 10:46 AM

Myth #2 - Reverse osmosis filters remove healthy minerals from water.
Truth: Reverse osmosis filters remove inorganic, unhealthy minerals from water.

RO systems do remove minerals from tap water. However, we humans get the vast majority of our minerals from the foods we eat, not from drinking water. For example, 1 glass of orange juice has the same amount of minerals as 30 gallons of tap water. You would also get more minerals from 1 vitamin tablet than you will from drinking a month's supply of tap water.

Tap water contains only inorganic minerals which cannot be properly absorbed by our bodies. Human beings need organic minerals which are only available from living organisms like plants and vegetables and are easily absorbed by our systems. According to the WQA & WHO (Water Quality Association - World Health Organization) we get the vast majority of our minerals from food not from drinking water. The inorganic minerals found in water has little to no benefits to people and in fact can be very bad to our health.

Good one.
Then it goes for RO water now.

Here's the webpage.
http://knol.google.com/k/nicholas-wise/rev...sgs2u4d4tbid/2#

more to read and understand before being approach by many talks.

I am not discussing about the healthy minerals, I am here to discuss about the Health-effect Contaminants, Total Trihalomethanes (TTHMs) and Volatile Organic Compounds ( VOCs). Therefore, I still can't find any of the RO system that most of us here recommended appear in the certified list.

*Yes I know RO system (in theory, the system) can remove inorganic and unhealthy minerals as well as those healthy minerals, so what does that mean if your purchased RO system (the brand/model) does not pass thru the certification program?

Water Quality Association (WQA) Technical Services Consultant Regu Regunathan, PhD, and WQA Technical Director Joseph F. Harrison, PE, CWS-VI, both spoke at the April symposium. Harrison said he agrees with the WHO report's major conclusions:

1.Both calcium and magnesium are essential to human health.

2.Food is the principal source of both calcium and magnesium.

3.Suppliers of water — including municipal, purified bottle water, and POU/POE treatment water providers — may make information on the mineral content of their water available to the consumer.

http://www.wqa.org/sitelogic.cfm?ID=1888


erm. about the question here, i'm not a reseller of any ro products, maybe the question from bassist can straight refer to RO products company such as elken and etc.

i'm just giving TS the comparison of mineral-full vs mineral-free water =)

This post has been edited by frostworld: Oct 28 2009, 11:18 AM

drink a cup of milk already can get alot of calcium larh.

how come you suddenly talk about milk?
oh.. for the WQA conclusion.

2.Food is the principal source of both calcium and magnesium.

calcium.

a cup of milk is already more than sufficient.


Calcium is found in foods such as milk, yogurt, cheese, cooked dry edible beans, fish with edible bones and leafy, green vegetables. Some foods, such as certain cereals and orange juice, may be fortified with calcium.


This post has been edited by ally chai: Oct 28 2009, 11:50 AM

Actually why is Diamond says that it is ENERGY water?
Where the energy come from?

After drinking it, I'll more stonger because it contacin energy? -___-''

that's marketing strategy. instead of providing more cleaner and safer water, they market it as providing energy?!

err, ya, it is debatable during the launch of diamond in hongkong. Theres incident where the ppl there found out that the ENERGY stated is just some strategy, they even consult the founder of energy water from japan and he denies that diamond has anything to do with him and his theory.

Guys, so RO is good to use .....beside of Elken? which brand is selling RO product as well ?

You can consider espring also. If you would like to know more about this, you can pm me.

can try type 1 ultrapure water filtration system like milipore oso

http://www.millipore.com/catalogue/item/sims000ww

espring is old technology. cannot remove like mercury.... somemore need UV light to kill virus because its filter cannot even remove virus

Diamond also same.

if u put SEA watar through all kinds of filter in the market, only RO can give u H2O. the rest still salty water after filtration. i have tested

a lil out of topic, is Nesh giving out RO water as well?

i agree with this.

my family's been using RO water filter for the past 10yrs+ also. the first time i heard about it, i was skeptical too coz i didnt believe in removing minerals in water.

but after drinking it for the first few weeks, i noticed that my slight bloat was gone and i felt more refreshed.

any minerals u gained from ur water consumption is so negligible u can get back from ur food or a glass of milk daily.

plus, msian water source is added with fluoride, it's not good to have too much fluoride in ur system esply not good for kids. since our toothpaste also got which is more than enough.

if the water filter can remove all traces of any minerals, the better.

i'm very aghast that ppl can say water is acidic. lol

Bassist,
RO water system like Elken does have certification from NSF (Standard 058 - Reverse Osmosis Drinking Water Treatment Systems) & WQA S-300 Gold Seal (only 3 companies are currently awarded with this throughout the whole world). To check in the listings, it goes by the name Bio Pure.

To know which water systems are better, refer to certified water specialist like Joseph Harrison & Michael R.Long. They are the ones who are involved in setting up the water quality standards anyway.

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Added on October 17, 2010, 2:11 pmAgreed with you. I've been drinking RO water for 8 years already now and my health improved tremendously.

It's funny when people talk about acidic water is bad when pH for fresh orange juice is acidic but yet it's very good for health! LOL )

This post has been edited by neomorpheus: Oct 17 2010, 02:11 PM

humans dont need minerals in their water?..cmon then why would u even care to buy ro then...long2 ago ppl dont have filtration ...nth happened to them as well ...about alkaline...i dunno our stomach full of acid...why would u drink alkaline water?...doesnt make sense

p/s : we dont nid minerals from water but from food?...lol they ask u to become monkeys and eat bananas..do u eat bananas every day?..hmm

Long2 ago people have filtration becos there are no arsenic, plumbum, pharmaceuticals in the water which are at the size of less than 0.01 micron. And long2 ago, there are less people with kidney problems. If you go to waterfalls, it is pure water and the TDS reading is 0 which is the same as water.

Alkaline is due to the fact in order to be healthy we need to eat 80% of alcaline food and only 20% of acidic food. However, the definition of alcaline food does not come from the pH reading. Example, orange -> pH is acidic but it is categorized as alcaline food. Some people have been manipulating this fact in order to twist people from the original purpose of filtration as their systems are not able to filter out dangerous things in water. Why are people talking about the nonsense of alcaline, energy, aura water when what we want to do is to filter and so should be talking about the sizes of the filter and compare it to the size of the dangerous contaminants?? Come on, carbon filters which are the size of 0.01 micron can filter out contaminants which are at the size of 0.001 micron like heavy metals ions?? Try to ask the sellers what is the size of the filter of their water systems and i would say mostly could not give the answer or try to talk about other something else like alcaline, minerals etc etc

We dont need minerals from water because the minerals if it even useful, is very very very small. Calcium for example in a glass of milk is equivalent to more than 330 glasses of water! Can we drink 330 glasses of water when we cant even drink 8 glasses a day??And most of the minerals in water are inorganic minerals which is only useful to plants who consumes the inorganic minerals and change it to organic minerals which only then useful to human body.

This post has been edited by neomorpheus: Oct 17 2010, 06:00 PM

why u nid ro water?...there a lot of filters can filter all the things u said n even cheaper..and why now ppl now have kidney problems?...must have been the diet.

I agree with u about the alkaline in d food..but in water it doesnt make sense though...saw someone posted about espring..i read it .. n err in NSF certification they do filter heavy metal..does this make them better?...i dunno..ur call..

RO is human made and well mineral water is given by God...r u saying that human is a better at making water?...i guess human are made to be a better designer .. =/

Osmosis is a process designed by God and it happens inside our body. Humans are copying the process. We've learned this in school..Why RO? Then i believe u'll need to go and understand what is reverse osmosis process. Kidney is a filter inside our body and water filter is like our third kidneys. If RO water is bad then why hemodialysis is using RO water? becos it wont burden the already damaged kidneys...and all the more reasons we do not want to even burden our kidneys (if it's still healthy)

I agree with u alcaline in water doesnt make sense.
Lots of filters can filter all the things i said? wow then i guess they have beaten all what the certified water experts are saying and are at even higher level than those highest level certified water experts bcos these CWE are certified knowing all types of water systems in the world and they themselves said other filters cant do that and are recommending RO. And they are also referring to the nature systems which made by God. And remember, these people are non profit parties. And this is another reason why i chose RO water, it's becos it's recommended by certified water experts whom i have met personally from conference and not from some websites or people recommending their own products..

I was implying that God makes perfect purification system. From the water being evaporated to sky and falls back as rains and one of the first place where the rain falls are on top of the mountain which becomes waterfall. If you go there bringing a TDS meter, it will show 0 reading which means pure water (purely H2O) and the reading is the same as RO water. After it goes down, the reading starts becoming higher and higher as the water goes through many things. If mineral water is enough, then why need to eat? Do understand between organic and inorganic and if you read the function of water, it doesnt say to give nutrients but more to detoxification, temperature control etc...And even there are good minerals in the water, do remember that some heavy metals and pharmaceutical contaminants are at the same size or even smaller and there is no such filtration system in the world that can identify different things at the same size and allow or filter out either one..

This post has been edited by neomorpheus: Oct 18 2010, 12:25 AM

I didnt say its bad..just saying that any other water is ok..not just ro..or perhaps that guy's espring...i noe its a process but it is inside the body..thats y there are ppl say that it can leech the minerals from the body ..though i cant really remember ..about the ion thing..being negative n such..

If it's about drink H2O well ..if rain can provide us the water...couldnt we just drink it?...yea i noe some ppl will say because of pollution it became acidic and its not good.
Also, Muslims believed that the water from the ground which is called air zam-zam i dont know if u ever heard that one is good..it contains the essentials minerals in water..i cant just simply say that those minerals are not essential to the body..Got to agree with temperature control n such..and yes we do nid minerals also in our food.

my family using elken RO. no prob at all. my blood test/pee test all in good condition

enuf said

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Added on October 18, 2010, 1:13 pmmineral water = minerals = become stone in sometime = kidney prob = operation

This post has been edited by law1777: Oct 18 2010, 01:13 PM

if it can cause kidney stones...so many ppl wouldve died in the early days..

er..my family drink mineral water.no prob at all. my blood test/pee test all great

enuf said =)

elken ftw ?

Sorry was out of the country for few days..

Leeching the minerals from the body is a myth and has been denied by Water experts. yes others can also filter. even if filter 10% is also filtering. main purpose is to filter. The more things can be filtered the better and the cleaner the water is.

Those like zam zam and some other water (i forgot the names) do have good minerals and they are only certain locations and not being polluted etc. Yes zam zam is good, but can u drink it and get the supply everyday??? The mineral water that we are drinking normally are from middle of plantation farms etc..if u know & understand about underground pollution, then u'll know how to decide. If there is really good minerals inside the water, then it's a plus. otherwise, we still get it from food. But why take such risk of taking all those pharmaceuticals, heavy metals etc in order just to get small amount of minerals if it really is organic mineral??

In order to compare filters, one needs to know what type of technology and what type of filters are being used. Most water are safe for drinking. But do we want healthy water or merely safe water? Talking about NSF or WQA, there have many types of certifications specifically ie for RO systems, UV systems, etc..to know which technology is the best, do refer certified water specialist..

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Added on November 6, 2010, 8:50 amMyth #1 - Reverse osmosis purified water is unhealthy to drink.
Truth: Reverse osmosis water is very clean and healthy to drink.

Reverse osmosis (RO) has been called unnatural water because of its purity. Detractors claim it is man-made and unhealthy and should only be used for industrial applications and not for human consumption. They say that RO water is too pure and clean to be good because such perfectly clean mineral-free water does not exist naturally on earth. However this type of water does exist, it's called RAIN.

Rainwater is water that has been stripped of all minerals and is often one of the purest and cleanest water on earth. People have been drinking rainwater for thousands of years without any negative health effects. Only recently has rainwater been polluted by the industrial age and man's pollution of the skies. In the absence of heavy natural or man-made air pollution, rainwater can be very pure and safe to drink. While rain water may absorb and pick-up some substances as it falls through the atmosphere, minerals are not one of them. Thus people have been drinking mineral-free water for thousands of years, which is very normal when you consider that nothing is more natural than mother nature's life giving rain.

With the scientific research that has been done over the past 40 years on reverse osmosis water, none has ever documented any negative health effects from people drinking RO water. In fact, RO technology has also been extensively tested in the past by the US military and is approved for and highly used throughout the military as drinking water by the men and women in our armed forces.


This post has been edited by neomorpheus: Nov 6 2010, 08:50 AM

After reading so many lowyat threads regarding to water filter, your post make the most sense to me as you mentioned alkalinity which is the most crucial thing about body pH instead of pH of water. Can you let me know what brand of RO water filter you are using?

Yup. I find that post is the most sensible comments seen here.

I am using Elken RO water filter for more than 20 yrs...so far no issue

This was recommended by my cousin too as the TDS reading for Elken water is 5 but quite expensive compare to Xiaomi water purifier which gives a TDS reading of 6-7 at under RM1k. Is Elken after sales service good? I think their price only worth it if they provide really good after sales service..

instead of diamond, i have chg all my house and my parents house water filter to COWAY..
at least no need chg the FILTER that cost bombs to DIAMOND