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ShinRyu
post Oct 17 2010, 05:41 PM

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humans dont need minerals in their water?..cmon then why would u even care to buy ro then...long2 ago ppl dont have filtration ...nth happened to them as well ...about alkaline...i dunno our stomach full of acid...why would u drink alkaline water?...doesnt make sense

p/s : we dont nid minerals from water but from food?...lol they ask u to become monkeys and eat bananas..do u eat bananas every day?..hmm

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post Oct 17 2010, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(ShinRyu @ Oct 17 2010, 05:41 PM)
humans dont need minerals in their water?..cmon then why would u even care to buy ro then...long2 ago ppl dont have filtration ...nth happened to them as well ...about alkaline...i dunno our stomach full of acid...why would u drink alkaline water?...doesnt make sense

p/s : we dont nid minerals from water but from food?...lol they ask u to become monkeys and eat bananas..do u eat bananas every day?..hmm
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Long2 ago people have filtration becos there are no arsenic, plumbum, pharmaceuticals in the water which are at the size of less than 0.01 micron. And long2 ago, there are less people with kidney problems. If you go to waterfalls, it is pure water and the TDS reading is 0 which is the same as water.

Alkaline is due to the fact in order to be healthy we need to eat 80% of alcaline food and only 20% of acidic food. However, the definition of alcaline food does not come from the pH reading. Example, orange -> pH is acidic but it is categorized as alcaline food. Some people have been manipulating this fact in order to twist people from the original purpose of filtration as their systems are not able to filter out dangerous things in water. Why are people talking about the nonsense of alcaline, energy, aura water when what we want to do is to filter and so should be talking about the sizes of the filter and compare it to the size of the dangerous contaminants?? Come on, carbon filters which are the size of 0.01 micron can filter out contaminants which are at the size of 0.001 micron like heavy metals ions?? Try to ask the sellers what is the size of the filter of their water systems and i would say mostly could not give the answer or try to talk about other something else like alcaline, minerals etc etc

We dont need minerals from water because the minerals if it even useful, is very very very small. Calcium for example in a glass of milk is equivalent to more than 330 glasses of water! Can we drink 330 glasses of water when we cant even drink 8 glasses a day??And most of the minerals in water are inorganic minerals which is only useful to plants who consumes the inorganic minerals and change it to organic minerals which only then useful to human body.

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ShinRyu
post Oct 17 2010, 07:49 PM

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why u nid ro water?...there a lot of filters can filter all the things u said n even cheaper..and why now ppl now have kidney problems?...must have been the diet.

I agree with u about the alkaline in d food..but in water it doesnt make sense though...saw someone posted about espring..i read it .. n err in NSF certification they do filter heavy metal..does this make them better?...i dunno..ur call..

RO is human made and well mineral water is given by God...r u saying that human is a better at making water?...i guess human are made to be a better designer .. =/


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post Oct 18 2010, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(ShinRyu @ Oct 17 2010, 07:49 PM)
why u nid ro water?...there a lot of filters can filter all the things u said n even cheaper..and why now ppl now have kidney problems?...must have been the diet.

I agree with u about the alkaline in d food..but in water it doesnt make sense though...saw someone posted about espring..i read it .. n err in NSF certification they do filter heavy metal..does this make them better?...i dunno..ur call..

RO is human made and well mineral water is given by God...r u saying that human is a better at making water?...i guess human are made to be a better designer .. =/
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Osmosis is a process designed by God and it happens inside our body. Humans are copying the process. We've learned this in school..Why RO? Then i believe u'll need to go and understand what is reverse osmosis process. Kidney is a filter inside our body and water filter is like our third kidneys. If RO water is bad then why hemodialysis is using RO water? becos it wont burden the already damaged kidneys...and all the more reasons we do not want to even burden our kidneys (if it's still healthy) smile.gif

I agree with u alcaline in water doesnt make sense.
Lots of filters can filter all the things i said? wow then i guess they have beaten all what the certified water experts are saying and are at even higher level than those highest level certified water experts bcos these CWE are certified knowing all types of water systems in the world and they themselves said other filters cant do that and are recommending RO. And they are also referring to the nature systems which made by God. And remember, these people are non profit parties. And this is another reason why i chose RO water, it's becos it's recommended by certified water experts whom i have met personally from conference and not from some websites or people recommending their own products..

I was implying that God makes perfect purification system. From the water being evaporated to sky and falls back as rains and one of the first place where the rain falls are on top of the mountain which becomes waterfall. If you go there bringing a TDS meter, it will show 0 reading which means pure water (purely H2O) and the reading is the same as RO water. After it goes down, the reading starts becoming higher and higher as the water goes through many things. If mineral water is enough, then why need to eat? Do understand between organic and inorganic and if you read the function of water, it doesnt say to give nutrients but more to detoxification, temperature control etc...And even there are good minerals in the water, do remember that some heavy metals and pharmaceutical contaminants are at the same size or even smaller and there is no such filtration system in the world that can identify different things at the same size and allow or filter out either one..

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ShinRyu
post Oct 18 2010, 12:41 AM

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I didnt say its bad..just saying that any other water is ok..not just ro..or perhaps that guy's espring...i noe its a process but it is inside the body..thats y there are ppl say that it can leech the minerals from the body ..though i cant really remember ..about the ion thing..being negative n such..

If it's about drink H2O well ..if rain can provide us the water...couldnt we just drink it?...yea i noe some ppl will say because of pollution it became acidic and its not good.
Also, Muslims believed that the water from the ground which is called air zam-zam i dont know if u ever heard that one is good..it contains the essentials minerals in water..i cant just simply say that those minerals are not essential to the body..Got to agree with temperature control n such..and yes we do nid minerals also in our food.


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post Oct 18 2010, 01:11 PM

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my family using elken RO. no prob at all. my blood test/pee test all in good condition

enuf said


Added on October 18, 2010, 1:13 pmmineral water = minerals = become stone in sometime = kidney prob = operation

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ShinRyu
post Oct 18 2010, 02:40 PM

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if it can cause kidney stones...so many ppl wouldve died in the early days..

er..my family drink mineral water.no prob at all. my blood test/pee test all great

enuf said =)
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post Oct 18 2010, 04:12 PM

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elken ftw ?
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post Oct 22 2010, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(ShinRyu @ Oct 18 2010, 12:41 AM)
I didnt say its bad..just saying that any other water is ok..not just ro..or perhaps that guy's espring...i noe its a process but it is inside the body..thats y there are ppl say that it can leech the minerals from the body ..though i cant really remember ..about the ion thing..being negative n such..

If it's about drink H2O well ..if rain can provide us the water...couldnt we just drink it?...yea i noe some ppl will say because of pollution it became acidic and its not good.
Also, Muslims believed that the water from the ground which is called air zam-zam i dont know if u ever heard that one is good..it contains the essentials minerals in water..i cant just simply say that those minerals are not essential to the body..Got to agree with temperature control n such..and yes we do nid minerals also in our food.
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Sorry was out of the country for few days..

Leeching the minerals from the body is a myth and has been denied by Water experts. yes others can also filter. even if filter 10% is also filtering. main purpose is to filter. The more things can be filtered the better and the cleaner the water is.

Those like zam zam and some other water (i forgot the names) do have good minerals and they are only certain locations and not being polluted etc. Yes zam zam is good, but can u drink it and get the supply everyday??? The mineral water that we are drinking normally are from middle of plantation farms etc..if u know & understand about underground pollution, then u'll know how to decide. If there is really good minerals inside the water, then it's a plus. otherwise, we still get it from food. But why take such risk of taking all those pharmaceuticals, heavy metals etc in order just to get small amount of minerals if it really is organic mineral??

In order to compare filters, one needs to know what type of technology and what type of filters are being used. Most water are safe for drinking. But do we want healthy water or merely safe water? Talking about NSF or WQA, there have many types of certifications specifically ie for RO systems, UV systems, etc..to know which technology is the best, do refer certified water specialist..


Added on November 6, 2010, 8:50 amMyth #1 - Reverse osmosis purified water is unhealthy to drink.
Truth: Reverse osmosis water is very clean and healthy to drink.

Reverse osmosis (RO) has been called unnatural water because of its purity. Detractors claim it is man-made and unhealthy and should only be used for industrial applications and not for human consumption. They say that RO water is too pure and clean to be good because such perfectly clean mineral-free water does not exist naturally on earth. However this type of water does exist, it's called RAIN.

Rainwater is water that has been stripped of all minerals and is often one of the purest and cleanest water on earth. People have been drinking rainwater for thousands of years without any negative health effects. Only recently has rainwater been polluted by the industrial age and man's pollution of the skies. In the absence of heavy natural or man-made air pollution, rainwater can be very pure and safe to drink. While rain water may absorb and pick-up some substances as it falls through the atmosphere, minerals are not one of them. Thus people have been drinking mineral-free water for thousands of years, which is very normal when you consider that nothing is more natural than mother nature's life giving rain.

With the scientific research that has been done over the past 40 years on reverse osmosis water, none has ever documented any negative health effects from people drinking RO water. In fact, RO technology has also been extensively tested in the past by the US military and is approved for and highly used throughout the military as drinking water by the men and women in our armed forces.


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usbhub
post Jun 24 2016, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(4Rings @ Oct 26 2009, 05:58 PM)
My family and I have been drinking RO water for the past 15 years. My wife drank RO when she was pregnant 12 years ago and my daughter has been drinking RO since birth. We continue drinking RO till today without the bullshit negative side effects reported or written by certain websites that promote other filtration system. Lots of my friends have been drinking RO water for more than 10 years and none of us have fallen ill due to nutrient deficiencies. I have tested RO myself and the pH is between 7 and 8.

Yes, there are many good filtration system on market other than RO. I stick with RO because this is the only system that is able to remove almost all the contaminants. This is the main reason I use RO. You may eat plenty of greens to maintain alkalinity in your body.

I don't believe those negative reports written on the net. They are promoting their filtration system especially the minerals thing. You eat your minerals from food. You don't need minerals from water. Plants do, not human. Plants get their minerals from the soil (metallic minerals like those from water) and convert to colloidal form which can be easily absorbed and utilized by our body.

If you want minerals or alkalinity in your water you can buy those offered by Medklinn and add them to your RO water. This method is better than buying a mineral water filtration system.
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After reading so many lowyat threads regarding to water filter, your post make the most sense to me as you mentioned alkalinity which is the most crucial thing about body pH instead of pH of water. Can you let me know what brand of RO water filter you are using?
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QUOTE(usbhub @ Jun 24 2016, 09:00 PM)
After reading so many lowyat threads regarding to water filter, your post make the most sense to me as you mentioned alkalinity which is the most crucial thing about body pH instead of pH of water. Can you let me know what brand of RO water filter you are using?
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Yup. I find that post is the most sensible comments seen here.

I am using Elken RO water filter for more than 20 yrs...so far no issue
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post Jul 2 2016, 02:19 PM

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This was recommended by my cousin too as the TDS reading for Elken water is 5 but quite expensive compare to Xiaomi water purifier which gives a TDS reading of 6-7 at under RM1k. Is Elken after sales service good? I think their price only worth it if they provide really good after sales service..

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instead of diamond, i have chg all my house and my parents house water filter to COWAY..
at least no need chg the FILTER that cost bombs to DIAMOND

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