I assume u must travel a lot since you're sales person, hence i think you'll need a low Fuel Consumption car.

But there's plenty of selection with your stated budget..

Honda City I-VTEC - Better performance than the I-DSI model, hence higher FC compare to I-DSI model.
Honda City I-DSI - Best fuel consumption among all of these three cars.
Toyota Vios
Toyota Altis

No idea on both Toyota cars...

I would suggest u to look into the 2006~2008 model of Honda City, the I-DSI model for it's low FC. Best choice for those sales person that travel a lot with their car

Remember to check all over the car before making any purchasing, best if u test drive it !

Hope this helps..

My answer:
1) It's a Toyota, maintenance should be less than Myvi. Replacement part will be slightly expensive than a National made.. Not much different for me.
2) I'm not sure about the FC on a VIOS. But a full tank on a MT Myvi can give u 400KM +, an AT give u less mileage (around 350 or less).. But i think VIOS can fetch u a good FC than a Myvi, it has the VVTI technology which can help to save fuel. And it has higher engine displacement than a Myvi, give you more power @ lower rpm compared to MYVI.
3) I think those are the best choice within your budget.
4) I'll prefer to buy a car at the end of year, because car price drops every month/years.

Answer to your preferences:
1) Honda City IDSI give u the lowest FC compare to those on your list.
2) When it's the time, you'll realize that Sedan is far more better than a hatchback. (More spacious, can carry more luggage/thingy, much more stable?)
3) You should prepare at least 1k for a year maintenance fee. IF comes to replace those tyres, you'll definitely needs more than that.

Hey.. Why not bringing back the 5 Series?? I got one friend is going to bring back a 5 Series after complete his study in UK.. Btw, got 10k GBP pound that expensive?? What i saw from auto trader UK only cost 8k for a 525i..

Regarding the tax, you have ask here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/555702

I don't have any experienced on this car before, but it's rated as ULEV.

Why not request for a test drive?? But i thought u're looking for a better overall performance car?? 110hp might disappoint you.



Pardon me, but what suggestion / advice are you looking for? Since you already decided on what to get.

But not to forget the Neo has better handling, and much more stable then goyang-goyang-myvi..

I would suggest a 1.6 Neo.

Quite hard to decide la

If you're worry anything bad happens for the first year, go for the option A which comes with 1 Year warranty.

If you're looking for lower mileage wan, then go for the green black color VIOS (option B).. You can always respray the car after getting it.

I wouldn't go for the 133k mileage with 56k price tag... But if u're good with the "new smell" then go for it lor..

All 3 cars above also met into accident before?? IF three of them also has minor accident, go for the option B lorr...

Let's see what travis would say...

Or get a turbodiesel if u want to. RM80 gives u full city driving = 750km+, highway + city = 800km+-

Added some link on the front page

Is FC a concern for you??
If yes, skip the Myvi & Persona.. They have higher FC compared to manual transmission..

Personally i would go for the IDSI City, a 2007 model..

For those used car, it's better to get a later years car.. I choose the 2007 Honda City, because some of them are still under warranty by Honda Malaysia.. In case anything happens (CVT tranny), you can always claim back @ Honda.

3 years warranty or 100,000km (Which ever comes first). Of course the IDSI still worth in term of FC. I-DSI City is powered by a 1.5litre engine. 50% Petrol subsidy is more than enough

Naza Citra is a high FC car and kinda problematic car, not to say it's underpowered too. 2.0 liter engine producing 136 horsepower @ 6,000 rpm and a maximum torque of 174.6Nm & 4,500 rpm.

By the way, the most of the Naza Citra has radiator leaking problem and there's quite alot of owner claims it's a high FC car. RM80 can only get you 420km+-. But there's someone who claim can get more than that.

Personally i would go for the Proton Exora, it's powered by a 1.6 liter Campro CPS that produces 125 horsepower and 150Nm of torque. Not to mention Exora looks better than the Citra too.

Try to check out Naza Citra feedback @ http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/naza/citr...02195/comments/

Or as travis said, try to increase your budget to 80k+- and get a nissan grand livina..

This post has been edited by victor87: Nov 30 2009, 06:11 PM

Would you consider a turbodiesel as your option??
If yes, i can give you some feedback. As i'm owning a turbodiesel continentals sedan. It's not a BMW, but powered by BMW turbodiesel engine and BMW 5 speed auto gearbox..
The torque and horsepower is enough for a car like this.
The FC is quite low. Full tank cost me RM90 and it gives me around 800km+ with 90% highway 10% city. The lowest it gives to me is around 650km, where i floor the pedal most of the time 90%.
Maintenance is cheap for me, it doesn't cost much for doing a regular service.. The problem i'm having is to source the spare parts in Malaysia. There's a spare parts shop @ Jalan Pudu, but all those parts are very expensive (it's a continentals, it should be normal for expensive spare parts). So mostly i purchase by parts from Ebay.. But those air/oil filter can be obtain easily around Malaysia. This car uses most of the spare parts same as the BMW 320D.

I'm driving a 2004 Rover 75, 2.0 CDTi Turbodiesel, 135ps with 300Nm of torque. Top Speed @ 190km/h, Rev cut @ 5th gear 3.5k RPM (Electronically limited)

This one may look exclusive, since there's very minimum of people owns a Rover 75 Wagon in Malaysia, i would say not more than 10. And it's turbodiesel spec, which share the same spare parts with my Rover 75, the difference is it's a Wagon.. 75k for this is bang for buck !

http://www.mudah.my/MG-Rover-75-2.0-wagon-4316447.htm

My car look like this : http://www.mudah.my/Mg-rover-75-4191095.htm (But this one is a petrol version, which has alot of bad feedback on the K-series engine)

Advice : If you're looking for Rover, please skip the 1.8 Turbocharged petrol engine. The K-Series has alot of problems..

Added: It's very comfort to drive it.. The exhaust sounds good too when u floor it !

And please don't mistook a turbodiesel will cost alot of black smokes and underpowered.. Nowadays turbodiesel engine are very green, you won't see any smokes coming out from your exhaust even u floor the pedal.. It's very powerful too with that much of torque. Alot of turbodiesel basher kinda impressed by this car when i gave them a ride..

Not to mention this car still have some head-turning ability.. hahahaha.. Remember last time when i first get this car, most of the road user will keep staring at the car to finds out what car is this.


Why would you want to buy a floating Altis??

I will go for the X-Trail, it's a crossover SUV... More spacious than a sedan, can carry more thing or people when u need it.
The engine is quite quiet for me. I've been travelled in the X-trail, kinda comfort when sitting inside. I just don't like the meter panel located at the center of the dashboard.

Hi ncs_malaysia,

The Honda City I-DSI is the previous generation of the current Honda City. The new Honda City is using a 5 speed automatic transmission, while the previous generation Honda City was using the 7 speed CVT transmission, IIRC.
I've sit on the new Honda City few days ago, the rear was quite spacious and the seat is comfortable for me. I never test drove it before, so i can't give any comment on the power / handling.
Please ask yourself, is it really need a new car? If u're looking for a car for just daily drive and concern about the FC and doesn't bother with new or used car, go for the old 2007 Honda City I-DSI.
If u're looking to buy yourself a more stylish, a new and a upgraded version of Honda City, then go for the new 2009 Honda City.

Bear in mind the previous generation of Honda City has CVT transmission issues, but not all the City has the CVT transmission.. Best to test drive it yourself and bring a mechanic if possible.

Remember, don't just buy a car and drive. You have to maintain it by doing regular services and check up too. Car is like human, they need extra care

This post has been edited by victor87: Dec 1 2009, 12:55 AM

You're welcome. Hope the advices helps & good luck on hunting a EK9 !

Hi ncs,
Before fully start the car, turn the key and wait for all the light indicator goes off, then only start the car.. Check either that if any light coming out after start the car.. (CEL aka check engine light, transmission oil light, airbag light etc) if there's any light on above coming out... I'd advice you to skip the buy ! But normally the airbag light is very common on nowadays car, you have to get it service or a check up and the airbag light will goes off.

Cold start the car, check the car underneath and see either any oil leaking or not.. Check and see either there is any excessive smoke coming out from the exhaust at cold start or not... Drive the car slow and smooth until it's warm enough... Then try to push the car a little at around 140kmh or more, play with the gear, shifting up and down.. Just do some hard style driving.. And see either any sound when driving or not... Rev the car a little if u could.. Test the brakes too ! See either is the brakes working efficiently or not.

But please make sure u're test driving fast at empty freeway..

most important is dun get cheated by the dealer when they offer a free service/ecu reflash can solve the engine/transmission problem/CEL..

This post has been edited by victor87: Dec 2 2009, 04:16 AM

Depends on your document, from 2.XX% to 6.XX%...
Btw, if you're carrying full loads of people with Alphard, try consider the 3.5ltr V6 model.. Else, it will be seriously underpowered with the 2.4ltr model.

Personally, i think the Starex is a very good deal. With turbodiesel engine, you'll never complain of underpowered with that much of torque. (170+ps, with 396Nm of torque)
It's more than enough. Diesel engine has less maintenance compare to petrol engine, better FC compared to petrol (due to massive of torque available @ 1.5k rpm, with the help of turbocharger)

I, myself owned a 3 turbodiesel in my house.. More power with lower FC, lower maintenance compared to Petrol engine.

This post has been edited by victor87: Dec 4 2009, 06:50 PM

As they bring in Starex officially, the spare parts wouldn't be a hassle.
Sorry, it was my mistake.. The older generation of Alphard doesn't have 3.5, it does comes with the 3.0liter only..

Resale value of Hyundai car isn't that bad. But has huge difference if compared to Alphard. The Toyotas and Hondas always have better resale value in Malaysia. Due to it's popularity.

Underpowered means the car doesn't have sufficient power to satisfy your needs. Like u're travelling alone with the Alphard 2.4, the power is just more than enough. But when u're travelling with 7 people in Alphard, the 2.4 just feel like don't want to move fast.. Get it??

You buy Starex, it's a new car. While Alphard u have to buy it as a used unit.
Some latest generation of Korean car serve very good FC, unlike the oldest generation of Korean car which is high maintenance and high FC.
You can get a BRAND NEW Starex with warranty, for only RM130k. You get an Alphard for 150k+, i assume it's an older model, which doesn't come with warranty (some dealer does provide warranty).
Why get a previous generation of Alphard when there's Vellfire and 2008 Alphard is around Malaysia?? Tell this to your uncle.. Poison him !

Not going to put Naza / Kia Forte as your option?? It's a very good car that receive alot feedback from Singapore user, but not sure with the Malaysia side tho..
I will pick the Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0 GT, as long as it's in good condition and without any internal damages.. I would buy a Naza Forte over than a Honda City, why? Because i pay for something who have same class with Civic / Altis. (C-Segment cars)

Btw, are you going to bring alot of people or family with the car??

haha.. I am asking u to poison him to get the Starex... Not the vellfire with 300k tag...

Better get your w210 serviced a.s.a.p... Try to check with your service manual to find out what does ESP means.. it is dangerous to drive a car witnout abs, especially doing hard braking without abs.

Stick with the 2009 Myvi.
Or if you don't mind the maintenance / services / repairing fee, then go for Waja then.

Btw, the answer isn't obvious? Who would want to drive a car without the basic safety equipment? Like abs, airbag, etc

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Added on December 6, 2009, 2:37 pmHi, i, myself also had bad experience on Korean car. It's a Ssangyong Rexton 290, the 2004 oldest generation. Underpowered, high FC, problematic transmission & 4wd transmission.
But then, those are older Korean cars.. Nowadays most of the NEWER generation of Korean car are giving good FC, with powerful engine. Like the Forte, 1.6 & 2.0 are putting out massive of horsepower.
But i'm unsure with the build quality since it's under Naza.

By the way, is RM30+- difference on petrol $$ matters for you?? If you're enough with the power of the new 1.5 Honda City, i don't see any objection on choosing that car.. It's more than enough for a daily-drive.. But there's someone who complaining the Honda City is slow, crampy, low top speed, can't dig chicks. http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=30384210

I personally sit on that Honda City before, the rear was quite comfort for me.. But it's quite cramp for the legs room..

Go for the Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0GT if it's within your budget, bigger car with bigger displacement engine. FC wise, it's actually depends on your right foot.. I have no comment on Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0GT since i have no experience on this car. Perhaps travis_ckf or someone else will give you a better advice on this car.

This post has been edited by victor87: Dec 6 2009, 02:37 PM

I will choose Waja if the Waja is equipped with ABS and some basic driving assists. It's okay to drive without driving assists, but have to be more caution lor.. Especially doing safety brakes distance.

Hi Travis, thanks for all the contribution you've made on this thread, appreciate it.

Anyway, for those who're looking for Honda City / Toyota Vios / Myvi combination, please use the search function before posting a new inquiry. Because there's a lot of member has asked the same question with the same comparison car.

Please let me know if i need to update anything on the first page, or keep those suggestion coming. I will add them to the first page.

Thank you.