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Jas2davir
post Oct 13 2009, 10:34 PM

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just make your own raid and make new rules as you move on best way to pug imo. i really love how ppl stack a certain class so they can make the loot they want more higher chances for them to win. or you can just ninja.
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QUOTE(Aggroboy @ Oct 12 2009, 03:35 PM)
Your conscience should be clear, he knew it was a free roll system before he joined the PUG. He has no rights to complain when lady luck pwned him.

Nowadays though, PUGs tend to adopt different roll systems, such a prior loot winner having less chance for later loot, etc.
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post Oct 13 2009, 11:53 PM

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I dunno about your server
But most pugs in my server run by "1 main spec, 1 tier piece loot per raid" rule, so that everyone gets a chance to win something.
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post Oct 14 2009, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(Goblinsk8er @ Oct 13 2009, 11:53 PM)
I dunno about your server
But most pugs in my server run by "1 main spec, 1 tier piece loot per raid" rule, so that everyone gets a chance to win something.
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Good server but dont recommend to children plz rclxms.gif
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post Oct 14 2009, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(sp@wn @ Oct 13 2009, 08:07 PM)
nah - even DKP or wutever count system are still bound for serious guild drama's

its mostly up to leadership and communication, even a free roll system can work extremely well - as long as everyone understood the rules, and follow it

ever since the day of raids and guilds - drama like this always happens

at least we can be glad that WoW has improved alot since then - 10/25 man raid instead a humongeous 40 man, badge gear for raid-equal upgrades, and soon raid weekly quests!
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when u leave something to rolls, the deserving ones would not be getting it/ lucky ones will get all the loot...
it kinda cause an imbalance and when the guild stop progressing cause of this, the geared one would have a high chances to leave for they think they are 'carrying' the others thus no progression...

that's my personal opinion...
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post Oct 14 2009, 01:05 AM

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If you ever plan to run regular raids with the same handful of people then yes you should be more "fair". After all, there's nothing worse than seeing one person win everything he needed in one go and then having him disappear the next week.
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post Oct 14 2009, 01:15 PM

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post Oct 14 2009, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Oct 12 2009, 03:44 PM)
For trophy i let people roll themselves. Yes sometimes i also do raid roll /roll 25  and the reason is same as yours, but for this instance i let people including myself have the satisfaction of rolling themselves if that helps them feel luckier on getting the winning roll...

The raid rules was mainspec priority, offspec if no mainspec wants. Everything was rolled for :/ just the basic system.
There was an instance where 2 cloth pieces with spirit spell power and haste dropped. I let the entire raid decide if dps classes can roll for it as well since i am not familiar with their classes. Anyway they decided that dps can roll for it so i let the dps class who won roll take loh doh.gif I try not to decide these sort of judgemental calls all by myself, so later people don't place blame on me tongue.gif

The drop highlight of the day was the dps trinket Death something... a hunter won roll. He deserved it anyway since he pulled 7000dps on the Twin Valkry fight doh.gif
Anyway back to the original topic. What bothered me was, he got his priest friend to try to make me feel bad so i would cave into that tank's demand. Said i was a good at leading the raid but thought i wasn't being fair on loot :/ then claims i may not have many people wanting to go to my raids after this (which i seriously doubt by the way).
If i knew this cake fella better maybe i would have been kind enough to share even though he didn't win. But looking at his personality i thought otherwise... how would you think if that tank since from start of the first boss kill talks like he did? Doesn't sound nice does it.

The other tank was a friend of mine from my former guild. He never complained and in fact he was happy for me. I last time gave him a dps ring even though i won it :/ and he did the same for me before with some tank pieces. For him i wouldn't mind sharing tongue.gif But recently my old guild leader gave him the World Carver from Ignis even though i won the roll and both of us are mainspec tanks and offspec dps :/ So he sorta ninjad me, but not his fault.. lol...
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Perhaps he was more an efficient tank? Which is why he got the item, i meant not you inefficient, but, he is more important in MT perhaps?

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post Oct 14 2009, 02:23 PM

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Well the point is moot. If your raids are successful people will continue to join. If you're a SOB POS ninja, word of mouth will just spread.

This morning after server reset I joined a VOA25 raid. No wipe at Koralon, one-shot down. But the raid leader / lootmaster went afk after giving the Koralon loot to the winners, and the whole raid stalled waiting for him. Finally a handful just left without killing Emalon & Archavon (including myself), pissed because he just went afk without passing leader and making 24 other people wait for him. He might have a real life emergency or something, but 20+ people in the raid swore to diss him out in the forums and in trade channel.

People are fickle minded. If they get a shot to get something they will flock to your raids, if they sense an unfairness in the raid they will just leave.
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post Oct 14 2009, 02:37 PM

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the 20+ people must be 14 year olds getting ready to go to school and their parents are screaming at them rite?
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post Oct 14 2009, 03:11 PM

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A pug is a pug. Fair rules is perception.

Get over it Moogle. You can't please everyone no matter how fair you try to be.

Stop being a worrywart. WoW is a big game and even if it's only a server and one faction, it's too big to keep grudges. Just leave it be and move on.

Waste of precious time over a loser whining.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Oct 14 2009, 03:11 PM)
A pug is a pug. Fair rules is perception.

Get over it Moogle. You can't please everyone no matter how fair you try to be.

Stop being a worrywart. WoW is a big game and even if it's only a server and one faction, it's too big to keep grudges. Just leave it be and move on.

Waste of precious time over a loser whining.
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post Oct 15 2009, 11:31 AM

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post Oct 15 2009, 12:38 PM

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I've got ninja-ed a couple of weeks ago, a black drake that drops from OS+3 10man.

Sent a ticket, got the drake the next day and the ninja didn't log in for almost 4 days. So I assumed he got a 3-day suspension lol.
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post Oct 15 2009, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(Jas2davir @ Oct 14 2009, 02:37 PM)
the 20+ people must be 14 year olds getting ready to go to school and their parents are screaming at them rite?
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If you're relatively geared and the things you need only drops from Koralon, I doubt you will want to stay to kill Emalon and Archavon too just for the conquest badges.

Most people clear all of VoA because "oh well might as well do it since we're already here". If all three bosses are split in their own instances and lock outs, most wouldn't even bother with the older bosses.
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Oct 15 2009, 02:42 PM)
If you're relatively geared and the things you need only drops from Koralon, I doubt you will want to stay to kill Emalon and Archavon too just for the conquest badges.

Most people clear all of VoA because "oh well might as well do it since we're already here". If all three bosses are split in their own instances and lock outs, most wouldn't even bother with the older bosses.
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post Oct 15 2009, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Oct 15 2009, 12:38 PM)
I've got ninja-ed a couple of weeks ago, a black drake that drops from OS+3 10man.

Sent a ticket, got the drake the next day and the ninja didn't log in for almost 4 days. So I assumed he got a 3-day suspension lol.
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wow seriously? i thougth GMs won't do anything about ninjas. i have seen raid leader with master loot ninja shit in voa25 all the time and get away scot free.
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post Oct 15 2009, 08:25 PM

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btw if you pug now days make sure ml stats clearly that nothing is reserved and that its fair roll for everything that way if he ninjas and you reports gms will look for that statements first, process will be faster if u have ss but if u dont then it will still be delt with.
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post Oct 15 2009, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(ray123 @ Oct 15 2009, 02:42 PM)
If you're relatively geared and the things you need only drops from Koralon, I doubt you will want to stay to kill Emalon and Archavon too just for the conquest badges.

Most people clear all of VoA because "oh well might as well do it since we're already here". If all three bosses are split in their own instances and lock outs, most wouldn't even bother with the older bosses.
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its free honor anyways and those bosses are cake to kill...

@ rockets
if u nvr state the loot rules, u wont get penalize...
if u said free roll and then u ninja -> ban/ suspend
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post Oct 21 2009, 01:03 AM

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actually there is a purpose to kill emalon and arch aside from emblems...

it's called the 'grand war mammoth' tongue.gif

dropped two weeks in a row now, and also twice lost the rolls haha.... sweat.gif

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