TOGC 10 is a joke.. anyone with 4800 gear score or more with a bit of brains can do it. I pugged TOGC 10 last week and got 25 tries tribute. Tribute to insanity is a diff story.. best be done with guildies or players who have experience.

missed the 45 attempts left with a 4 % wipe on anub this week =(

my other guildies missed insanity by 1 coz of 1 persons mistake...49 attempts.. lul

accessible raids are much better idea than a super tough raid that only 10% of players ever get the chance to get inside - MC, AQ, and original pre-60 Naxx for example

if challenge is what you want, there's always hardmode that wipes hardcore guild for breakfast

i also agree that now the toc10 is a joke.. haha..
and during for last toc 10 raid for twins fight... we didnt switch target at all, just pew pew grab orb and they die eventually.. lol

Of course you guys find it a joke knowing all the strats already (or have someone telling you what to do). The first week was thoroughly enjoyable as my guild went in guns blazing and blindfolded. The lack of trash was great.

i actually prefered having trash...
it adds variety and sorta set the pace a little...

@ spawn
yup the casuals would get to raids while the hardcore would enjoy the challenging raids...
healing on normal mode is just so relaxing compared to hardmodes...

everything is easy once you done it once
just need everyone to do their part

Our team did not have the luxury of strats when we tried TOC. Anyway, with mods like dbm and such, bosses are much easier to kill despite the more complex mechanics compared to vanilla bosses. If blizz does something to dis-allow mods like DBM or bigwigs from working, would be a whole diff story all together.

Some ppl still fail at twin valks with DBM warning flashing on screen to change color -.- wtf

actually blizzard themselves do announce to change color...
i usually raid wit my dbm off after knowing the fights and blizzard's default still let me know about the twin's ability...

h toc25man today...
wiped at around 1% 5 times...
before this wiped 20times on all sorts of stuff especially on p2
its like the moment 3mins ngam ngam on p3 sure wipe when he does his charge thing =/ if only blizz make him enrage like 10secs slower =(

actually p3 is the crucial part...
1 person got trample = cant beat enrage...
and the last trample, he'll enrage at the same time...
so if u guys manage to evade him, u would have around 20sec to burst him down when he is stunned...

Guild run on 10-man: still can't pass 3rd boss - arena team. Having problem to dps down the healers. Might be doing something wrong. The horde combo gotten was Resto Druid, Priest, Lock, Ench. Shaman, Rogue and Mage. So we tried to target the resto druid to die first, banish the Lock, sheep the mage, and tried to keep the rest away. Failed to even take down the first target.

Any advice.

As for Toc-25:
Recently just did a pug toc25 @anub, failed miserably after one of the off-tank decided to play god, kick ppl out without raid leader approval (comparing his dps gear (ilevel 245 to 258) with other dps gear (ilevel 226 to 232), brought his/her friend into the raid. Then this off-tank didn't want to tank the adds that come out, wiped the raid, scolded all dps as failure and quit the raid.

1. you shouldn't banish the lock because it wouldn't work chain banish the druid and chain fear it will do the job,the ench shaman i think you need to kite and burn down priest make sure you have cleave on the burn down target 24/7 other wise its point less

Our kill priority is always the Disc Priest > Shaman > Druid > Paladin for the healing npcs.

You will need a dedicated dispel/purge on the first kill target, and another dedicated CC on the other healer, purge everything on the kill target. So in your case, focus on the Priest and have your Warlock focus on the resto: banish, death coil, fear, Curse of Tongues. By then the priest should be dead. What you kill next depends on your raid health.

Remember, doing DPS isn't the issue in this fight, the key is control. If you have warriors in your raid telling them go Prot for multiple charge stuns and shield bash silences might be better. Mortal Strike debuff is nice but not really necessary. The Enhance Shaman and Rogue are harmless if they can't reach you, use roots, snares, stuns.

In my experience the Mage don't really do fatal damage, more like being an annoyance with the poly and frostbolt slows.

is it normal or heroic?
cause if it is normal, u are doing it rite to dps the healer...
if heroic, u are doing it wrong...
always go for a dps first or ur healers would never ever be able to keep up...
(the rogue in my team died before i could even BoP him)...

for that compo assuming normal mode, u are doing it wrong as well...
banish on the drood then dps burst on the priest...
it is the easiest to cc the drood of all/ pure n dispel...
after the priest is down, go for the shaman no thanks to his annoying totems then the rogue...
we normally leave the drood/ range last...

as for heroic...
banish the drood, another cc on priest and burst down the shaman...
once the shaman it dead (normally just in time for the first CC to break) go for the priest...
with the shaman down, it would be finally be healable (if u have paladins, blow div sac to absorb the initial crazy damage)...
then it is pretty much rogue, lock's pet, mage, lock then drood...
u can leave the drood last since he's easy manage...

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Added on October 19, 2009, 5:33 pmbtw its vital to have communication for heroic mode to time the CC wells...
consider lucky not having boomkin with his crazy cyclone spam...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 19 2009, 05:33 PM

We usually burn 2 healers: Priest>Shaman. Then start to kill the most dangerous dps which is the Warrior before we start losing squishy clothies to him. (Ppl need to learn2gtfo from whirlwinds)
Then resuming to kill the remaining healers. Pally heals can interrupted easily with 1 enhancement shammy/rogue on him.

They've gone over the kill order, I'll fill in a lil on the more class specific details.

1. ALL priests, shadow, holy, disc, doesn't matter, all of them need to mass dispel. I pug it pretty often for fun, on successful attempts in 25 mans, its common to see the top priests doing 100+ dispels. Dispel the mobs, dispel your own people, make sure mass dispel is part of they rotation. On failed attempts, the first thing that normally sticks out is the lack of dispels.

2. Hunters should have Tranq shot as part of their rotation.
2a. Hunters should drop slowing traps, NOT freezing traps. It provide much better value considering how long they last as compared to the freezing ones.

3. Put a shaman on the kill target and have him on purge duty. He will spam Purge whenever there is ANY buff up on the target. If he's a healer, tell him that purge > heal unless someone is below 50% health. If its a bubble, purge > healing even if one person is down to 5% and has aggro! Other healers will cover his job

4. Last but not least, NO AOE!!!!!!! The cc guys are busy enough, don't make them work harder than they have to

Hope this helps

I am not getting drops