What CD player r u using? Also are u matrixing the sound to 5.1 from a CD?

Dear all sifus who responded to my SOS call,

Thanks.

FYI, Master Chew help me to diagnose and solved this problem.

It is due a faulty HDMI cable. (not even visible to normal eye sight) And the HDMI interface is very fragile, so be extra careful and do not pull out or push in this HDMI like it is a RCA or Component types!

Hope the cable did not damage my AVR in long run and it's electronics as it gave out extremely loud sound many many times till I have to OFF my AVR.

This cable is from Pioneer DVD- 420V

To anfieldude ,

I do not have a CD player, just a DVD from Pioneer HDMI type if not mistaken 420V?

Anyway, thanks again for your valuable comments & suggestions.

master chew? the chew from PG ar?

No Master Chew from WKH!

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Added on October 9, 2009, 2:31 pmNow, my next problem and I need advises from Sifus here.

Sorry, I am a newbie in component AVR.

I feel my system still lack of umphhh! (lack of Bass and Treble) especially when on Music (CD-A)

Front = Usher V601
Centre = Mission
Surround = Pana
SW = Roger

I have to manually set the SW dB to max at 12 to get some Bass

Anyone know how to get more Treble out? Or how to set ?

Can the Manual Equalizer help to pump out more Bass & Treble?

What the best ? The Auddessy result not so good to me.]

Thanks.



This post has been edited by alexalex: Oct 9 2009, 02:31 PM

hi Alex,
I just came across your post. I don't think setting the SW dB to 12 will solve your problem if you don't know your combination well.
I believe the problem isn't at your AVR side. I believe it's your equipment isn't match well.

I've done many installation with 1909 AVR and I never get over 5dB on the AVR side while the subwoofer level still stays below 50% par.
I'm not sure what kind of sound you are expecting your SW to give you, but from what I see, you probably want to have some super low level bass that you can't archive and that's why you max out your AVR SW side.

Check your Roger subwoofer frequency.

IF u can answer some of the questions below, i'm sure there will be forumers who can give u further advice.:

1) what's the dimension of your listening area? Room or Living room?
2) what's your roger SW model and size?
3) what subwoofer cable are you usnig?
4) where is the subwoofer located?
5) front and rear speakers model
6) AVR level for each speakers.

good luck.

Dear Junwei,


Since I'm new to AVR (previously HTiB & HTPC), I just learn to listen via trial & error methods.

My components not match well? I hope to find out too!

The bass when viewing DVD are acceptable but not when listening to Audio CD.
When listenning to Audio CD, it lacks of treble and the bass is acceptable if set my SW manually to max, that is +12dB.

But there is no sharp and clean treble which I can obtain from my Car Audio System (something like tweeters) or even my HTPC obtain better result. I am puzzled too a few $$$k system compare to $1k system!

Also, I noticed my Denon Manual might not be new as there was some pencil writing and remark on some of the pages! (but I bought it brand new!)

Anyway, my answers :-

1) what's the dimension of your listening area? Room or Living room?
ANSWER : My squerish living room is too open actually. 20x28 feet, but with opening (no door) to Kitchen and to staircase of 1st floor (typical MY terrace house)


2) what's your roger SW model and size?
ANSWER :
Model : Roger ASB 100.
Power amplifier : 100W RMS (8 ohms) .
Frequency Response : 30Hz-200Hz+/-3dB .
Crossover : 50Hz-150Hz (variable) .
Crossover Slope : 12dB per Octave .
Driver Unit : 254mm Long Throw .
Function : Power (On, Auto, Off), Phase (0, 180 degree), Level Controller, Crossover Frequency, Controller .
Inputs : Hi Level (Speaker) In, Line (RCA) In .
Dimension (WxHxD) : 290 x 335 x 325 mm
Weight : 12 kg (Net)

Front Speaker : Usher V-601
2-way system :
tweeter 1" (9930-20NC), low-bass 7" (8935A)
Sensitivity 86.5dB @ 1 watt/1m
nominal impedance 6 ohms
frequency response (-3 dB): 42 Hz ~ 20 kHz
power handling 70 watts
crossover frequencies 2.22 kHz
weight 12.6 kgs (per speaker)
dimensions (wxdxh) 23.8cm x 29.2cm x 44.5cm



3) what subwoofer cable are you using?
ANSWER : I'm using the given RCA-RCA cable (Denon SW Out straight to Roger ASB) Actually, I'm not sure the best way to connect up my SW as there was more than the RCA interface. I will try to share it diagram later.


4) where is the subwoofer located?
ANSWER : SW located at about 2m away from the AVR and FL, FR.


5) front and rear speakers model.
Front = Usher V601
Centre = Mission
Surround = my previosu Panasonic, 6 Ohm type.


6) AVR level for each speakers.
ANSWER :
These are not Audessy value as I changed it manually or should I use the Audyssey?

FrontL = 8dB
FrontR = 10
Centre = 7
RearL = 8
RearR = 8
SW = 12


Thank you ina advanced to those who is willing to read and comments.

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Added on October 15, 2009, 10:31 amJunwei,

Sorry, I failed (do not know how) to insert the image of the SW wiring diagram, so I can only provide the website link.

http://www.rogershifi.com/brochure/ASB100-ENG.pdf


Thanks.


This post has been edited by alexalex: Oct 15 2009, 10:31 AM

Wahlau, your sub level is 12db max on your AVR ?

I suspect you didn't use a RCA Y adapter to connect your sub RCA.

Get this



and try it..

Acording to some expert, if you only plug one left channel, only 70% utilization.....

you probably give the wrong image of the Y cable.
Should have a RCA female port rather than mini jack port.

anyway, i think Y cable will not help alex.
He has already max out his sw level at his AVR side. I would probably think that alex's expectation might be different from most of us. I would assume alex is expecting high treble and powerful bass like his car audio.

for denon avr, u can increase the tone control for bass n treble but usually we set it flat to get the most natural sound from the movies.
for SW, we also set to a rational level to match our movies characteristic.

for your usher speaker, i would say it's a power hungry speaker based on the sentivity given by alex.
from this point, i would say it's a mismatching combination that caused the problem alex is having.
To resolve alex's problem, i think one has to be there on the spot to tell wat alex is expecting to hear.

apparently, alex could be having phasing problem on the speakers too.

n hand writing on user manual??? could it be a used unit ? where did u got it from?

You are right,

I didnt notice the other end... thanks for pointing that out.

Should be this one...

Dear Sifus,

Thanks for the comments.

My AVR has only 1 port labelled as SW. Therefore I connect one RCA cable output from AVR to one RCA input of the SW. Wonder how I utilize & connect the RCA-Y type?

Yes, bass for movie is acceptable but not for CD music (especially 80' euro/dance CDs)

Even basic CD Audio sound (current singer /normal CD) lack of treble and bass and just on par or a bit lower with my HTPC.

My HTPC was power up with Altec Lansing and a "reasonable $ good" 2.1 system, tiny satellite speaker by "Hi Tech" if not mistaken, bought from Hi Way Laser (or Style Laser?), Cheras a few years back.


Phasing problem? May I know what is Phasing? There a "Phase" switch at my SW too.

There are quite a few connections point at the rear of my SW, which I only use one port, SW.

Wonder what are their purposes and how to connect?

My Usher power hungry? Hmm, I 'm puzzled too. Or I must set the volume higher to "hear" it capability? (my usual volume set around -25 to -35dB range)

Bass and treble set it flat? I set my treble via the Equalizer (increase to V or n shape), but no different at all. My settings wrong?

Yes, a few pencil handwritings on my manual. Bought from CMY-Sg Way but the warranty card is by CMY Penang!

Bro,

You see the pic I posted here.


The white and red go to your sub left and right. your current RCA go to the other black end. Simple. I guess now you only use the left channel yeah. If you use the right channel lagi teruk, only 30% perhaps. So use both channel ok.

I audition the denon unit before. I notice it doesn't really have the juice to crank the MA RS6. Not sure what the max vol but the guy turn until -6 and still I feel not loud enuf. But the sound of denon is nice and warm. I guess it can be still adjust at speaker level and I suspect the MA RS6 need lots of power drive it open.. la la la. MHO only.

This post has been edited by tracktion3: Oct 16 2009, 05:36 PM

Dear tracktion3 ,

Thank you for sharing.

I think my Sub comes with only 1 RCA port only, no left or right.

And what's MA RS6, the DSP?

My normal Volume ranges from -25 to -35.

Bro,
according to the link you attached,

Rogers Sub

From this link, I could see:
1. Input from preamp left and right
2. High level input from amp

Did you use 1 or 2?

If you use 2, no wonder no power. I guess I know why, because the manual show like that. But using 2nd connection is like using your amp from your denon to power the sub. your sub is an active sub, since you use sub out RCA from your amp, shouldnt you be using the pre amp input in 1?

And I saw there is left and right on the preamp cable? this is where you use the RCA Y adapter.

p/s MA is Monitor Audio brand RS6 is the model. DSP.. Digital Signal Processing.

other sifu, correct me if I'm wrong. This Roger user manual is not user friendly enuf,

This post has been edited by tracktion3: Oct 18 2009, 12:23 AM

Dear Traction3,

Thanks for the suggestions.

I think I'm using No 2 setup.

Anyway, I will go and buy the "RCA split to 2" tonight and try.

Actually, the manual diagram from Roger is not the same as the actual Roger SW, physically.

I will try to take a picture of the rear on my Roger SW and share here.

You use no 2? Thats where your problem is. Without the RCA Y adapter, you will get tremendous result. But I suggest, get the Y cable to have 100% capability.

If the drawing the same as the one you attached, everyone I mean everyone will get confuse...

Let us know how it turn out. and btw, you might one to lower down the level before you test ok... ha ha you are at 12db now remember...

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Added on October 21, 2009, 10:41 pmBro alex,
Any update? I'm curious to know. Thanks

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Added on October 21, 2009, 10:50 pmany update bro alex?

This post has been edited by tracktion3: Oct 21 2009, 10:50 PM

Bro,

I'm failed to find the Y-RCA cable in local stores. Maybe I need to go Jln Pasar or LowYat, KL? (I am in Bkt Rimau Shah Alam)

Anyway, I will share the ASB100 SW rear diagram here. (attached)


Opss, anyone willing to guide me how to insert pictures here?

I only managed to attached but not share the pic in same post reply.


Also 2 pic of my Phase Tech 2.1 Satellite speaker which amazingly sounded better than my Usher + Denon!

Wonder anyone seen this Phase Tech system before, bought more than 8 years ago and sound good till today!


Anyone care to advise me on how to get Treble out of my system, and how to use Equalizer?



Thanks.



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You dont need the Y-RCA cable. It shows here that you already has the dedicated Sub Woofer input from your denon. Dont understand why you said still not enuf power.

Bro,

You sure?

Hmm, wonder why they include the "dedicated SW input".

Anyway, I still would like to test the 2 RCA input (red & white)

Do you think it will be the same result?

For movies, it the bass is acceptable after setting the SW 12dB.

But for Audio CD (song & music), it lack of bass and treble.

Do you know how to get more Treble out from Denon?

Can I use Equalizer? (currently Flat).

And when I set the Equaliser to the max or opposite, it seem no different at all (SQ stay same) or my manual method is wrong?


Thanks.

Audio CD?

When you play Audio CD, use the direct mode.Not sure if Denon 1909 got pure direct or not. Usually at this mode, your sub will not be utilized. I dont think we need sub when play audio CD. Just stereo will do providing your stereo speaker could play full range. Some AVR can use sub as well in the direct mode. But my Yammy 465 cant. And I read from some expert review.... we dont need it. There if now LFE in Audio CD. Other sifu here may be able to help. LFE usually for movies only.

I dont think there going to be any diffrent if you use the L/R channel or dedicated sub input at your sub.