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post Apr 18 2010, 12:25 AM

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today one of my Hottentotta caboverdensis - parthenogenic popped .. with a brood of abt est . 10+ 1st instar scorplings on her back and many yellow pre - matured embroys along the way.
i was thinking why she pop when her time of pregency wasn't ripe.. a little disappointed to be frank but overall glad she make it with the little smile.gif thinking back it might be due to over feeding which lead to this pre mature birth .......

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the small brood
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the pre matured babies ,....
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btw...2 nos of my previous Hottentotta caboverdensis brood molted to 3rd instar today ...

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i believed a few have encountered some problems with this scorpion when they are in their early instar ...
tot i share some of my experience here and hope it helps you guys....

my setup for the Hottentotta caboverdensis scorplings consists of a normal sauce deli cup with a cover on the top.
bedding i use a mixture of coco-fibre and play sand(fine) of ratio 50-50 of abt 1 cm thick. sand on the bottom and coco-fibre on the top.
coco-fibre is always damp but never wet . this is an important part imo, as too damp prove to be quite fatal for this scoprion when they are in their early instar...

Ventilation is the next main killer in combination of the damp coco-fibre .... many little small holes were punch on the cover and at the side of the deli cup to encounter this.
too little ventilation and i believe "over humidity" in the deli kills the scorplings..

A few small barks for hides and feeding of newly born laterias or crickets leg once very alt day.

Hope it helps and happy keeping this lovely Hottentotta caboverdensis scorpion.

regards - can't stop playing mafia wars ......... sad.gif


Added on April 18, 2010, 12:51 ambtw deathpion ... congrats on the newly molted smile.gif

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post Apr 19 2010, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Apr 18 2010, 09:51 PM)
Congrate on ur new brood, my last hot.hottentotta just molted to adulthood  laugh.gif
Anw i dun think it is a pre mature birth, otherwise u will have all of them unfertilized like what my friend experienced with his emperor
It's pretty normal to have a few unfertilized egg in a brood ime, because those that i observed the birth giving process, all of them have unfertilized eggs....
But dun quote me cause i have no proof to backup my claim smile.gif

Anw my way of keeping mine is a bit different from urs, i keep mine in plain coco fiber substrate in the same container as urs
I keep those substrate dry and only mist a lil bit at the wall for once a week or longer
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congrats on ur newly molting too ryo ... smile.gif so i shall see say fastest .. 3months later you will be busy again .........

btw i am thinking abt the prematured embroys .for discussion sake .. . as Hottentotta caboverdensis are parthenogenic sp .. during their pregency period for this sp .. there are no male's spem to fertilise the eggs thru mating session . therefore would the embroys be unfertilized ??? sorry as i don't really undertand the bio of parthenogenic sp. sweat.gif


Added on April 19, 2010, 10:33 am
QUOTE(rafiqos @ Apr 18 2010, 10:33 PM)
The Hottentotta babies are not premature. The ones that came out safely developed into nice scorplings. The embryos could have either been infertilized (this is normal) or like you said, suffered from being prematurely released due to a myriad of reasons. Is this the mother's first brood? Small numbers are quite common in the first batch of babies for a lot of species of scorpions.
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yes her first brood ...

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post Apr 19 2010, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(rafiqos @ Apr 19 2010, 02:27 PM)
Despite the fact that parthenogenesis occurs without the need for sperm cells, fertilization is a prerequisite for a mother to become gravid in the first place. 'Fertilization' in this case doesn't carry the literal meaning of being fertilized by sperm. Mature females of parthenogenic species (of reptiles and invertebrates) are triggered into entering a fecund stage via excretion of certain chemicals inside the body.

Something worth peeping - linko. Pages 73 & 74 illustrates the embryonic development process in parthenogenic scorpions.

In your case, Lester. The development of the embryos had probably taken place at different stages. Some earlier than the rest, and those later consumed most of the nutrients and  developed into  full fledged scorpions. While the others remained in embryonic form and failed to develop as the elder siblings sap most of the nutrients meant for the entire brood. Like the sibling rivalry in honey bee colonies. But then again, 'probably' is a vague word and carries no bearing in the scientific world. This topic is a free for all really.

Something else worth reading - linko.

If the above applies, could there be a plausible possibility that Virgin Mary (mother of Jesus) was a parthenogenic Homo sapiens?
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very interesting article.. smile.gif Reproduction in scorpions, with special reference to parthenogenesis .. need sometime to digest .. will be back shortly ... smile.gif

btw , i decided to proceed with the article on the Word of the Day: Parthenogenesis which is shorter lol ... . also an interesting article...
some point to quote for discussion sake ........

For explaining everyday life—babies, puppies, puberty—the mommy-daddy story of procreation works fine. But at life's edges, conventional biology, like conventional physics, breaks down. As you approach the speed of light, time slows and distances shrink. And as you approach extinction, genes find new ways to pass themselves on. Scientists call it "reproductive plasticity." A Komodo dragon manufactures a mate. A shark's got to do what a shark's got to do.

from the above quoted ....if it is true, does this means those parthenogenesis sp say our some of our scorpion sp are slowly moving towards extinction stage ?? or was it at a time near extinction stage before our time???? if either of the two is true... what can we do to help on this like our thread says: Scorpion Conservation in this prematured hobby of our locally........

would like to hear some views from you guys...... on this smile.gif

We're not there yet, but we're on the way. Two years ago, British officials authorized human procreation using sperm, nuclear DNA from one woman, and mitochondrial DNA from a second woman. Three weeks ago, they proposed legislation that would approve the creation, for research, of "a human embryo that has been altered by the introduction of any sequence of nuclear or mitochondrial DNA of an animal." The categories we've taken for granted—mommy, daddy, people, animals—are blurring. We're losing our innocence.

wow just imagine that ........ !!!!!!! human reproducing of one self without the need of a mating from a male .... hmmm i don't like that smile.gif

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post Apr 20 2010, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(dizzychef @ Apr 20 2010, 07:11 PM)
Scorpion conservation your interested? I am here to collect them not conserve them.

If you want to conserve just stop buying scorpion.

If your refering to conservation of the scorpion hobby and your really pure genuine like 99.9% gold.  For instance, stop harming the hobby by selling dangerous sp and potentially hazardous sp to our enviroment and start show some real knowledge about them.
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Hmmm ....... nah ............not as pure as gold which i wish ......... just another reflection of what u are wink.gif tortoise laughing the lizard ????

btw define real knowledge.. as mentioned by you ...since u said about real knowledge... let see ur real knowledge explained or is it just keeping quiet like the other few previous posts when asked .. no wonder so many people said so much abt you in msn chat ... lol can't stop laughing while i am typing this .. hahaha if u would in the chat too tongue.gif .. hahaha
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Scorpion conservation your interested? I am here to collect them not conserve them.
yes .. i am interested in conversation . if u are not then you go ur path i go mine smile.gif and i prefer it that way if u were to understand my "english" i no "police" so can't catch u if u do not want to conserve any ... lol ...

stop harming the hobby by selling dangerous sp and potentially hazardous sp to our enviroment
guys ... all of u all .... chef say we are selling and harming .......... so shall we quit the hobby or what?? ... i see quite a few thread sell hots too ... whistling.gif and the replier itself ... " selling to anyone that seems genuine " ... ( self understood )

btw ... with request from others , many told me to leave you alone ... well ... this will be my last post to you .... enjoy ur day ...

p/s : if it is of any personal .. do drop me a pm .. i will reply via that ..


Anw aside from the above mentioned, chuk aside the issue and the person, i need to apologize here , with regards to conversation of scorpion . i rem.. sometime back a discussion was brought up ... wildcaught vs captive bred . havesting from the wild for selling WC sp and captive breed sp to provide for the hobby itself .... but sort of halt ...

many of us i believe go for CB sp as not to disturb the wild population .... some only allow WC sp for starting of new culture of sp. and 2nd generation onwards will be Captive bred before sold to provide for the hobby. do correct me if i am wrong ...

personally i think this a good way of conversation too...... smile.gif


p/s: deathpion smile.gif congrats once again for the new molt smile.gif wub.gif

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post Apr 21 2010, 01:58 PM

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whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif


one of my female Parabuthus transvaalicus scorpion molted from 6th instar to 7th instar.. finally matured and able to breed this sp.. smile.gif

kind of strange this time round for this molting. Normally from what i observed, all my current Parabuthus Transvaalicus scopion molt in flipped position meaning the back facing the sub, but this lady molted in not the usual flipped position but the opposite way ..... and the time took for final molting is much longer than usual too ...... took more than 15hrs so far and still molting..... is this usual ????...

anyone encounter this before? ..


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post Apr 21 2010, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(mangolicious @ Apr 21 2010, 05:06 PM)
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is she still breathing?
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yes still breathing .. and able to move once awhile like while in molting.... til now more than 17 hrs aready . and still molting ...........
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QUOTE(mangolicious @ Apr 21 2010, 05:13 PM)
omg. finger crossed and good luck with you.
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thanks smile.gif my finger crossed too smile.gif

QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Apr 21 2010, 05:20 PM)
Any improvement or it just stuck in the same position?
Lets just wait and see but i dun think it will make it if its stuck in the same position for so long
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much improvemnt i must say.. most of it is out of the old exo ... left the stinger bud part .... do u think i shall exercise some aids on it ?
it is the first time it took so long for a molt to complete....... or is it because it is the last molting that why it is so long ?




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post Apr 22 2010, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Apr 21 2010, 05:33 PM)
A lot people will against this but im not here to debate but anw, if it were me, i would have pull it out already.....
It should be easy to pull it out without any problem unless it is already dried up and it get stuck real hard inside...
But dun blame me if bad thing happen thou...
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QUOTE(TAGreptiles @ Apr 22 2010, 06:51 AM)
My 2 cents, keep her as she is and do not disturb her. She'll turn out just fine if she's still alive now.
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hi guys smile.gif thanks for the advises smile.gif

some updates smile.gif

actually i wanted to seprate the exo from the newly molt flesh when i got back home after work after much consideration taking into the factor of long hours of molting taken and also left a single section.. but i never have a change to do that ..when i got back.. the last section have came off by it self aready smile.gif thanks god .. everything is fine . lol ...

i quite supprised by the numbers of hours it took for it to molt ..... so far the longest molting period i ever had ......
one pic on the newly molted smile.gif

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post Apr 23 2010, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(deathpion @ Apr 22 2010, 11:03 PM)
BEAUTIFUL!!!! The first thing which came to my mind when I saw the picture.
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hi deathpion .. thanks smile.gif

QUOTE(akagidemon @ Apr 23 2010, 11:03 AM)
the tail looks like a hairy penis.
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huh ?>?? who ???


QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Apr 23 2010, 01:25 PM)
Correcto`

Congrate on the molt  biggrin.gif
U have a pair of adult yet?
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thanks ryo ..... yes so far i have 1 matured female @ 7th instar , another 1 going to mature, female currently @ 6th instar and 2 matured male @ 6th instar....
so far now waiting for the newly molted female to harden it exo , pump it well with roaches ,mealworms and crickets before attempting to intro the male for mating........ also at the same time waiting for the other female to molt ........ if everything goes smoothly .. shall have two pair for breeding smile.gif


btw who is harry ???? doh.gif

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a normal step up / step down transforemer from 230 - 24 vdc or 24 - 3 vdc might do the trick ... i believe such equipment can be easily get from the engineering department ... smile.gif


Added on April 24, 2010, 2:48 pmbtw do watch out on the amp delivered ... too high and it might fry the specimen

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Hi guys ,

was searching on some informations on this scorpion - Orthochirus Scrobiculosus Negebensis when i came across a pic of a newly molted specimen.

tot i share it here for thoses that did not seen a newly molt Orthochirus Scrobiculosus Negebensis before ...


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pic taken from AB - Tabor - a very experience keeper and breeder of scorpion.
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QUOTE(junshern222 @ Apr 30 2010, 11:45 AM)
Hi guys just came across to this Ads in Mudah.
http://www.mudah.my/Scorpion-5536640.htm

Is that a dead scorpion in the ads?
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hi hi ..

look pretty much like a dead one to me ..........
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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Apr 30 2010, 01:58 PM)
Confirm dead, legs curl in ady, stinger also cut ady...
RM58, i got 3 dead adult afs in my freezer hmm.gif
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hmmm ... RM58 * 3 = RM174 .. i dun think people wan to buy your dead H.spinifer for that price lor hahahaha
Lol.. personally i think the dead specimen is for photo shot only for his sale thread.

QUOTE(rideon @ Apr 30 2010, 02:12 PM)
lol.. and see wut he wrote.. age range from 4-25 years... and confirm oso.. its dead..
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lol... good one ...
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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Apr 30 2010, 03:10 PM)
U dun get my joke, lester, nvm
Anw for the age part, kinda true wut, they do live up to 25years
Look at hadogenes sp, they took so darn long from 1instar to molt to 2instar
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sorry sorry .... recently quite slow ... lol... sweat.gif
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two pic on a 5th instar fat Emperor Scorpion from a scorpion lover friend smile.gif
lol.. i must admit that he sure able to pump his scorpions fat too smile.gif



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post May 9 2010, 11:53 AM

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hI lonelystarz ,

do do a few pics of ur new AFS setup smile.gif
hoping to see ur setup smile.gif

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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ May 12 2010, 09:26 PM)
The longest scorp surviving in a parcel that i ever heard is lester's orthochirus-es that survive in the parcel for a month biggrin.gif
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correction. is 2 months. aug ~ oct smile.gif
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QUOTE(junshern222 @ May 12 2010, 10:21 PM)
Lol,why so long?
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Hi bro long time no see smile.gif well ... i not sure why it took so long too but DHL = deliver half way lost .
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QUOTE(lonelystarz @ May 15 2010, 12:53 AM)
ok..thanks..is it ok if i put another afs in the tank? will there be enough space?
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hi smile.gif the tank look nice smile.gif maybe u would like to spray more water smile.gif

QUOTE(deathpion @ May 15 2010, 04:58 AM)
mad.gif Ants do attack scorpions. I just found out the hard way. Left only the tail of my androctonus bicolor scorplings. Luckily the other scorplings of other species are ok, maybe because they are bigger perhaps. vmad.gif
All suspects caught are sentenced to death by boiling water already.
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hi uncle, i am sorry for your loss.. yes i did lost a few due to changes too .. antz are able to take down smal scorpling ...it is a never ending battle for us smile.gif

btw... one of my Androctonus Australis Hector(Tunisia) molted yesterday ..... XXXXXX & xxxxxx & yyyyyyy . hahahaha eat ur hearts out smile.gif hehe

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one new brood today ......

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