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post Feb 7 2010, 05:00 PM

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A Lesson to be learned by all of us:

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3 docs dead

Published on: Sunday, February 07, 2010

Kota Kinabalu: Four people, including three government doctors, were killed while 18 passengers suffered injuries when a luxury sports car and a bus collided near a traffic light in Tanjung Aru, early Saturday.
Dr Prem Sastigan a/l Ganadas from Johor, 26, Dr Wong Wai Choong (Kuala Lumpur), 28, Dr P Bavani a/p Phary (Terengganu), 26, and Jemalyn Alvarez, 32, a Filipina bus passenger, died on the spot in the 12am tragedy.

A fourth doctor, Jaya Lakshmi, 25, from Kuala Lumpur, survived with serious injuries. The bodies of Prem, Bavani and Choong were claimed by families and relatives.

All the doctors were serving in the Likas Hospital, here. City Police Chief, ACP Ahmad Sofi Zakaria, said the four doctors aged between 26 and 28 were heading to Tanjung Aru from the city in a BMW335i Convertible.

"The car, however, lost control and rammed into a bus in front of it, which was carrying 25 passengers. Three people travelling in the car died while their friend sustained serious injury.

"A woman bus passenger was also killed. Eighteen passengers suffered injuries and all victims were sent to hospital for treatment," he said, Saturday.

It was learnt that the bus was sending Port View Seafood Village workers home. Its General Manager, Joseph Lim, said the bus would normally send workers to Likas and Inanam.

According to Mariam, 45, a passenger, she heard a loud bang and realised that the bus had been hit.

The impact caused the bus to overturn and land on its side.

The BMW car turned turtle, trapping the four doctors inside.

A Fire and Rescue team managed to pull out all victims about 1.30am.
http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=70636




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Three doctors killed in crash

By RUBEN SARIO


sario@thestar.com.my

KOTA KINABALU: Three doctors from the Queen Elizabeth Hospital were killed and another seriously injured in a car-bus collision along the coastal highway near Sembulan early yesterday.

The 12.30am accident also resulted in the death of a passenger on board the 27-seater bus.


Twisted metal: The wreckage of the car after the accident that claimed the lives of the three doctors near Sembulan Sunday.
City police identified the dead doctors as Prem Sastigan Ganadas, 26, who was at the wheel of the luxury car, Wong Wai Choong, 28, and Bauani Phavy, 26.

All three were reported to have sustained severe head and body injuries in the collision that saw their car turning turtle.

They died on the spot.

Family members of the three doctors from the peninsula were present at the post-mortem conducted at the hospital mortuary yesterday afternoon.

The fourth doctor was identified only as Letchmy, 27, who suffered various injuries including a broken leg. She was reported to be in serious condition.

The bus passenger who died was identified as Jemalyn Baharod Alvarez, 32, from Menggatal. She died on the way to the hospital.

The bus driver suffered a broken leg and was also hospitalised. The other 18 bus passengers were unhurt in the incident.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...1189&sec=nation




Just look at their car (from sos):

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user posted image - from the Star



Actually, MMC has their info (as well as any registered doctor in Malaysia), sad though, dead.. not even finished their internship:

1. PREM SASTIGAN A/L GANA DAS, - VOLGOGRAD STATE MEDICAL ACADEMY, RUSSIAN FEDERATION - PROVISIONAL

2. WONG WAI CHOONG, - MELAKA-MANIPAL MEDICAL COLLEGE, MALAYSIA., MALAYSIA - PROVISIONAL

3. P BAVANI A/P PHARY, - CRIMEA STATE MEDICAL UNIVERSITY, UKRAINE - PROVISIONAL

Source: http://mmc.gov.my/v1/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=50

Further Discussion about this: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1320809

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QUOTE(ShaneNg @ Feb 15 2010, 08:08 PM)
Hi everyone, I have this question about memorising in MBBS.

I know the information that awaits assimilation is endless during, but how does it work?
Are reasoning skills required or merely book-to-brain?

eg:In SPM Biology, students are given a table 'Causes of Deficiency of Vitamin A:-Night Blindness'
so in MBBS, are we taught regarding the mechanism behind this, and why CPR starts with this, then this.

I'm asking this because reasoning helps a big deal in memorising, and I could cope with other memorising in Bio and Chem, except the sort of charts(vitamin, lack of minerals in plants) because I dont know what's going on behind.

Thanks
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MBBS - is hell for memorizing TOnS and TONs of information, at times I feel like puking due to too much reading... (u know that feeling in the throat)

Here is an approach to remembering medical terminologies (Monty Python style):



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnvZpi3nbsc
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post Feb 22 2010, 10:08 PM

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News:

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USM bakal buka kampus di India

2010/02/22

KOTA BHARU: Universiti Sains Malaysia (USM) bakal menempa nama di peringkat global apabila merancang membuka sebuah kampus di India dengan pengambilan sulung dijangka Julai ini.
Naib Canselornya, Prof Tan Sri Dzulkifli Abd Razak, berkata universiti dikenali sebagai Jawaharlal Nehru Medical University Belgaum itu menawarkan bidang pengajian perubatan.

http://www.jnmc.edu/

Katanya, tawaran membuka kampus cawangan terbaru itu selepas pihaknya menerima pelawaan kerajaan India bagi menampung keperluan pelajar Malaysia dan antarabangsa yang berminat dalam bidang perubatan.


“Kami berbangga dengan pelawaan terbabit kerana sejak USM ditubuhkan, akhirnya kami diberi peluang untuk mengendalikan kampus perubatan baru yang turut mengambil kakitangan negara India.


“Segala kemudahan bagi menyediakan prasarana untuk kampus USM yang akan ditempatkan di Jawaharlal Nehru Medical University diuruskan pihak negara berkenaan dan kita gunakan sepenuhnya kurikulum bersepadu yang diguna pakai USM,” katanya.


Dzulkifli berkata demikian selepas berucap pada Konvensyen Kualiti Kampus Kesihatan USM Kubang Kerian, di sini, semalam.

Pada majlis itu, USM Kampus Kesihatan Kubang Kerian menerima anugerah sijil MS 9001:2008 selain penyampaian hadiah Kumpulan Inovasi dan Kreatif (KIK) dan pertandingan kualiti peringkat kampus berkenaan


http://www.hmetro.com.my/myMetro/articles/...icle/index_html



It seems that USM will also adapt the "build campus abroad" trend, much like MSU.
*they plagiarize this idea from us is it~? laugh.gif

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post Feb 24 2010, 12:56 AM

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Stupidity of the day~

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Q - Define Superinfection. Enlist six drugs that cause superinfection. Write the drug management for antibiotic colitis. [20Marks]

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(Full mark sir?)


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post Feb 27 2010, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(neopets_35 @ Feb 27 2010, 01:15 AM)
hey guys.

i just got my stpm results, and i was utterly disappointed only to realize my scores were below the minimum requirement of the medic programme in universities like Manipal, IMU, etc etc...

the thing is, since young i've been dreaming of becoming a doctor. any advice? should i re-take pre-u, e.g. foundation, SAM?
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What did you get for your STPM?
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 27 2010, 01:31 AM)
circa cgpa 1.66.........
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QUOTE(neopets_35 @ Feb 26 2010, 08:16 PM)
haiz...

I got a B for PA, B for Bio, D for both Maths and CHem.

I was already targetting to do MBBS, but with this crappy results, I doubt I can do anything with this... (upset)

Before the results came out, I was already applying with Manipal and IMU. I'm sure if I submit my STPM scores, I'll have no chance... =(

You think I should consider re-doing pre-u,  Foundation in Science?


Added on February 26, 2010, 8:20 pm

hey, well, i got a crappy results form STPM. SPM I got a B3 for Phy and Bio, and A1 for Chem. still, i'm curious how you got into MBBS... thx
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neopets_35,

You have a very weak result for both Chemistry and Maths...
You will be having a great deal of trouble studying science-based courses @ Degree level...

I wanted to recommend you to do Biomedical science degree first (I assumed that you got a CGPA of at least 3.00), but then again, after seeing your result. I'm not sure I can recommend any degree course for you - IPTA and even IPTS requires at least a CGPA of 2.00 for degree program.

The only way that I can think of at this moment is - you can re-sit for your STPM or you can apply for a Diploma program using your SPM result (assuming it is good).

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post Mar 12 2010, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(NatBass @ Mar 12 2010, 11:24 PM)
Hey guys. Curious , anyone took the mmc examination?
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You're persistent about going to Romania is it?
I've read your last post about this.
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post Mar 13 2010, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(NatBass @ Mar 13 2010, 12:42 AM)
No , its not like that. I just wanna know more about the mmc examination. I;ve got a few seniors who scored straight a and they are pursuing medicine in russia/romania/cuba. As far as i know cuba and romania are listed under the mmc board. But yes , i know its not advice to study at a uni which is approved by the board.
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No Cuban or Romanian Medical Degrees are recognized by the Malaysian Medical Council. You should read thoroughly the list of recognized Universities in MMC's website.

Why would one want to go an unrecognized foreign University to study medicine, when there are literally hundreds of recognized foreign Universities already listed in the MMC's list and even now more than 14+ private medical schools in Malaysia?

Tell me the reason for this.
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post Mar 25 2010, 01:32 PM

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Video of Interest~ see them all~






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post Apr 7 2010, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(seiken @ Apr 7 2010, 07:28 PM)
30 House Officers in the Medical ward in GHKL....some other hospitals have 20-40 house officers in a ward.

How to survive when we come out? I'm graduating 2011..hopefully.

No regulations by the authorities AT ALL. What. The. Heck.
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Go to Sabah and Sarawak then for your housemanship......
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Published: Thursday April 15, 2010 MYT 4:05:00 PM
Updated: Thursday April 15, 2010 MYT 4:32:12 PM

Compulsory service for doctors reduced to two years (Update 1)

PETALING JAYA: The compulsory government service for medicial practioners has been reduced to two years from three with immediate effect, said Health Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai.

He said the decision was made in accordance with the increased internship training period from one to two years.

"The move to shorten the compulsory service will encourage them to remain in the country and provide their expertise in Malaysia," he said Thursday, adding that the move would indirectly halt the brain drain from the country.

Liow recently announced that Malaysian doctors working overseas for more than 10 years and who had funded their own medical studies were exempted from compulsory service.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...0931&sec=nation
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“The move to shorten the compulsory service would encourage doctors to remain in the country,” he said, adding that it would indirectly discourage a brain drain.


I too don't understand the logic behind this.

How does shortening the compulsory service encourage doctors to remain in Malaysia? Won't that only hasten the process of them getting out of Malaysia?

Any additional quote from Liow Tiong Lai regarding the logic for this?
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QUOTE(lovelysky7 @ Apr 17 2010, 08:45 PM)
hi, any medical students here currently studying in Poland or Czech Republic?
Just wondering how's the studies there, since commonly it's Russia or Uk experiences being shared, I also wanna know what it's like in other countries.
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Poland and Czech?

Some of my batch mates (BSc. graduates) went there. As usual, it isn't cheap studying there (most places abroad for that matter) unless you are sent there by JPA/MARA/Other sponsors.

Here some info about the the university they are studying in:

http://www.cuni.cz/UKENG-184.html

http://www.wum.edu.pl/english/internationa...urriculums.html

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Today's News:

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Published: Friday April 23, 2010 MYT 2:51:00 PM

Malaysia hopes to attain WHO doctor-patient ratio by 2015

PUTRAJAYA: Malaysia continues to face a shortage of doctors, with the ratio falling short of the 1:600 standard set by the World Health Organisation (WHO), Deputy Health Minister Datuk Rosnah Abdul Rashid Shirlin said Friday.

She said the Malaysian ratio last year was 1:940 while in 2000, it was 1:905.

"The Government, particularly the Health Ministry, has drawn up several measures, including making available various incentives to raise the number of doctors and medical graduates in the country.

"Going by the annual increase in the number of medical graduates, we are optimistic of attaining the (WHO) ratio by 2015," she told reporters after the signing of a memorandum of understanding (MoU) at the ministry here.

The MoU was signed by Newcastle University Medicine Malaysia and the ministry to enable the educational institution to use the ministry's facilities for its campus in Johor once it begins operations next year.

Rosnah said a drastic shortage of doctors was experienced in Sabah and Sarawak because many medical personnel were reluctant to be transferred to those states.

"The ministry has taken steps to overcome this shortage, among them allocating more doctors to the two states, especially those serving in government hospitals or clinics.

"Besides, we also have a mandatory rotation system," she said.

Sabah and Sarawak have a doctor-population ratio of 1:2248 and 1:1709, respectively. - Bernama




http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...5351&sec=nation


...that somewhat explains the high concentration of doctors in Peninsular Malaysia (eg; Selangor etc)
The government should have increased more Sabahans and Sarawakians for IPTA medical seats.

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NEGARA

Graduan perubatan tempatan pilih bekerja di Singapura


KUALA LUMPUR – Graduan-graduan dari fakulti perubatan Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia (UKM) dan Universiti Malaya (UM) memilih untuk bekerja di Singapura sejurus lulus peperiksaan akhir tahun.

Dekan Fakulti Perubatan dan Pengarah Pusat Perubatan UKM, Prof. Datuk Dr. Lokman Saim berkata, dijangka 80 graduan UKM akan meninggalkan Malaysia untuk berkerja di hospital-hospital di Singapura.

“Sebagai doktor pelatih, mereka ditawarkan gaji sebanyak 2,690 dolar Singapura bersamaan RM6,187 sedangkan doktor pelatih di Malaysia dibayar gaji RM3,665 dengan purata elaun antara RM500 dan RM1,000 sebulan,” katanya dalam satu kenyataan di sini semalam.

Fenomena itu, katanya, berlaku sejak lima tahun lalu selepas Majlis Perubatan Singapura mengiktiraf ijazah perubatan dari kedua-dua universiti tersebut.

“Sebahagian besar daripada mereka tidak akan pulang untuk bekerja di negara ini walaupun kebanyakannya menerima biasiswa kerajaan sepanjang lima tahun pengajian,” katanya.

Menurut Lokman, kerajaan perlu mengambil tindakan untuk menghalang doktor-doktor itu daripada lari daripada melaksanakan kewajipan terhadap negara.


http://www.kosmo.com.my/kosmo/content.asp?...ra&pg=ne_10.htm
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ May 1 2010, 07:00 AM)
Quote: Menurut Lokman, kerajaan perlu mengambil tindakan untuk menghalang doktor-doktor itu daripada lari daripada melaksanakan kewajipan terhadap negara.

What are they gonna do? barricade the country? =.= it's their own freedom anyways.
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Government is pissed. UM and UKM are IPTAs (Govt. owned) after all.

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“Sebahagian besar daripada mereka tidak akan pulang untuk bekerja di negara ini walaupun kebanyakannya menerima biasiswa kerajaan sepanjang lima tahun pengajian,” katanya.


After training the med students there with all the govt resources, even giving them scholarship during their studies only to have them run away to another country, Govt sure will be annoyed~
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QUOTE(seiken @ May 3 2010, 11:08 PM)
For the sake of studying medicine, one can go as far as Czech Republic..gosh
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UK is even farther~

previously (many2 years ago), the govt even send students to Belgium you know. I've seen a few private clinics manned by doctor that studied there.
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ May 4 2010, 01:37 AM)
UK is even farther~

previously (many2 years ago), the govt even send students to Belgium you know. I've seen a few private clinics manned by doctor that studied there.
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QUOTE(zstan @ May 4 2010, 09:36 AM)
you want to compare uk quality and czech quality? gosh..
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who said anything about quality?

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QUOTE(haya @ May 14 2010, 09:03 PM)
An atricle in China Press caught my eye: http://www.chinapress.com.my/content_new.a...514wab99a20.txt

Maybe when I have time I will consider translating it (just run it through Babelfish), but what caught my attention was a quote from a Malaysian Fudan University student, studying "医学系" (usually that translates to Medicine), hoping that after she graduates she can come back to Malaysia to work with the government in their public hospitals.

Last time I checked, not a single China university was listed in the Medical Act, nor on the 2nd schedule of the MMC list.

The article is almost a promotional piece for Chinese universities who give out scholarships to international students. Specifically, medical universities. Now I would not have brought this up, since some of the universities listed are Chinese medicine universities (中医药大学), but to read of quotes attributed to Malaysians studying there wanting to work with the government after graduation, and knowing that not a single Chinese university is recognised, has some alarm bells ringing in me.

What ever the quality of Chinese medical schools, the fact is, none of them are recognised in Malaysia.

Am I missing something, or is there an entire population of desperate Malaysians who want to be doctors, studying what they think is medicine in China, when they cannot be registered to be medical practitioners, let alone work in the civil service?

Or have the Chinese herbs finally caused delirium?
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They brought this onto themselves. If they wanted to practice medicine in Malaysia, they should have enrolled in MMC-recognized foreign universities.


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QUOTE(defdekz @ May 17 2010, 03:00 AM)
come to where? united kingdom?
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uhh... you didn't get what that means?


Added on May 17, 2010, 3:17 am
QUOTE(defdekz @ May 16 2010, 06:11 PM)
only a few basics in spm i learnt related with medicine but for chemistry... it has a lot...... for postgrad also
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As in Kopitiam - "Your EnglaND is PoWERFul"


...but seriously, you need to rephrase that~

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