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onelove89
post Apr 8 2012, 07:06 AM

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wow, I would think of symptomatic relief first if its viral urti. Bed rest and plenty of fluid tongue.gif pain killer decongestive agents, anti-tussives if needed.
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post Apr 9 2012, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 8 2012, 11:37 AM)
you will make a bad gp, and patients will give up on you as they will still be sick that night..... biggrin.gif
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oh no! I failed in GP land =P hmm, i thought GPs prescribe a lot of antibiotics as well in msia? regardless of viral or bacterial. Some doctors even asked me 'apa (ubat) kamu mau?' O.o S8 drugs pls! tongue.gif
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post Apr 12 2012, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 12 2012, 10:30 PM)
suicide and substance abuse are very real problems amongst doctors.....in fact, doctors are near the top in terms of professionals committing suicide....depression is common, in this high stress job....

doctors with substance abuse is also a problem, partly because of their ability to access such substances....

interestingly, these topics are one of the first to be covered in the utas med school.....

in a recent article in a publication of the medical protection society uk, the ethics of colleagues with mental disorder and/or substance abuse was highlighted....should doctors tell on their friends/colleagues?.....
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I believe so. we had a discussion on that in year 2, and I think it's really for the best of the patients and the affected doctor. having said that, it'll be complicated as he/she might be your best friend or boss. and emotions might hinder rationality.

It's really sad sad.gif If not mistaken, doctors are #2 on the suicide list, and dentists being #1. On call = 36 hours consecutively?
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post Apr 13 2012, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(Huskies @ Apr 13 2012, 01:52 PM)
Probably true for Malaysians, but what about mainland Chinese students? It's no secret that they're in Australia for the migration (that and they also make up the largest student group in Aus business schools)
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There's always the IELTS 8.0 road block for them nowadays. At the end, they can't find a job and are forced to go back to their own country.
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post Apr 15 2012, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Apr 15 2012, 04:21 PM)
OH wow... the interns need a house mother??
How can even one start to equate a hospital with a boarding school???


Added on April 15, 2012, 4:32 pmAll medical students, this book is highly recommended.

http://www.michelleau.com/

An excerpt here: http://www.michelleau.com/p/excerpt.html

You can go check out the fb page as well

https://www.facebook.com/ThisWontHurtaBit

Even better if at least one parent read it as well, wink.gif

p/s Get used to being scutmonkeys for a long while. wink.gif
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sounds good, will try to find a copy. I've another to recommend: "how doctors think"

QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 15 2012, 06:51 PM)
there has always been a few who have problems, even in the past.....

there is no statistics now, but a few years ago, the moh quoted a figure of 15% or so who were having problems.....whether this figure has gone up, nobody knows, but anecdotal accounts from consultants supervising them gave figures like a quarter to a third fresh housemans have problems fitting into the system.....the consultants were told to 'retrain' them.....ie, do what medical schools should have done in the first place....

they can't get a proper history, can't make sensible working diagnosis, have no experience in simple procedures, display very poor basic medical knowledge, etc....

michelle au described a typical medical student environment in the us....where students are exposed to a fair bit of hands on work.....in some countries, they graduate with very little clinical experience.....everything is theoretical.....
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That's interesting. I just had a chat with a canadian exchange 5th year med student from UBC, and she said that the students in US now are pretty much 'studying' to pass the exams only. I'm not too sure how that'll affect the quality of the care given in the future though, but that's situation now in US apparently according to her.

I've just finish med rotation, and I had my fair share of gunshots from consultants during the teachings. But it gave me things to reflect on and improve. For what I see, interns are mostly learning the admin sort of things like writing discharge, scripts, and things like that. they should have a comprehensive understanding of the basics already.

It's kinda sad to see so many med schools popping up like mushrooms in msia, and their substandard entry requirements are allowing mediocre students to be future 'doctors'. to be honest, even till now, I still am scared that i'll be an incompetent doctor in the future. Just being on the ward, I feel that i only know a tiny portion of what's out there.
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post Apr 18 2012, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(Noel94 @ Apr 18 2012, 06:34 PM)
guys..help me man..u guys have experienced this asam garam in medical profession right?

u guys have opinion which uni/country provides excellent training for budding doctors? like how is the quality of IPTA grad med students compared to IPTS?

i'm in dilemma..If I don't get accepted into local IPTA (I applied for UM), then which IPTS should i enroll? Other choice, how about UK? I heard many doctors complain about the incompetency of UK grad med students... -.-

oh yea, i dont want to hear that 'it depends on the individual, not the uni he/she graduated from'. I heard it 109497381x
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I'm pretty sure the standards are there, and it should be much better than msia.

the 2nd bold statement is true to some extent. The individual has to play his/her part in active learning and being enthusiastic. But lecturers and clinicians are VERY VERY important. I've learnt so so much in my 8 weeks of general med rotation. So long your enthusiastic and keep asking questions and don't be shy, you'll learn heaps. Our education system encouraged us to be spoon fed and accept whatever was given to us. That's really not the ideal way to learn.

so, back to the topic. have you done your tertiary education ie STPM/A level/ IB/ matrik/ Pre-U/ AUSMAT/ etc? If so, which one? if you're competent (in money as well), head overseas. I didn't regret doing so. If not, get into IPTA. Or at least one of the better established med unis in msia eg monash, imu.

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post Apr 20 2012, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Apr 20 2012, 12:49 AM)
hi, how do med students in developed countries find clerking and physical examination ?

i presume it'd be harder for you to get the patient's consent because
1) it's a developed country, people don't view doctor like God compared to a developing country

2) you're a foreigner there, and an Asian. i dunno, but perhaps there's some form of discrimination?  at least if you're studying in Indonesia etc you're still in an Asian country.
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Hmm, not much discrimination i think. For the patients, they normally are very helpful and allow you to clerk them. They normally tell me that we all need to start some where, and they are willing to let us take a history and do an exam. I've only got rejected once for examination because the patient was tired. Patients are normally very helpful.
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post Apr 30 2012, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Apr 28 2012, 12:13 PM)
hi , anyone got any opinion bout electives in SEA? e.g. thailand, SG, bali and i dont speak thai... anyone has personal or a friend's experience to share? i tried searching other forums but a lot of them did not have replies.

going further than SEA incurs too much money  sad.gif
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Think a senior shared with us her experience when she was doing her elective in vietnam. seems nice and she really enjoyed it. had couple of friends who went to thai or cambodia (forgotten sorry) and they seemed to like it too. I'm looking at SEA electives too next year smile.gif
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post May 4 2012, 05:21 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ May 1 2012, 09:50 PM)
oh dear gosh no!!!!! sad.gif they complain of having too much incompetent doctors, and yet they are making measures to allow more of them to get through the system. politically related, again?

QUOTE(arsenwagon @ May 4 2012, 12:59 AM)
oh wgy im from a local IPTA. and thx ya for the replies to my question.

and btw clinical vs research elective ... how will it affect us? research probably has more value on a CV, but how useful is a good CV? will it matter in the future. sounds stupid but ive heard ppl saying locally good or bad CV everyone is equal
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I'm not too sure in msia, but in Aus it does matter. my friend (who might be a bit bias because he does some research) says that you'll need some papers to compete for specialty hot seats like cardiology, opthalmology and ortho. Am planning to get some research exposure over the holidays rather than taking a year off clinicals to do research.
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post May 18 2012, 10:40 PM

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Sorry but this is a bit random. It's kind of sad to hear people in msia regarding GPs as those underachievers whom can't become a specialist: as in they are discriminating against GPs. I'm not sure if many out there are having this view, but I've definitely heard quite a few people telling me so. Is there such discrimination at all?
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post May 22 2012, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(Huskies @ May 21 2012, 11:57 PM)
Looks like Curtin Medical School will get the go ahead after all - now let's see if they bring the medical course to Sarawak a la Monash smile.gif

https://sphere.curtin.edu.au/teaching/med-n..._med_school.cfm

Oh I should also mention that the University of South Australia and Charles Sturt University are lobbying pretty hard for their slice in the medical education business - odds on Australia having 3 more medical schools by the end of this decade.
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Interesting. I've heard a few years back that curtin might work with Murdoch in providing medical training but I wasn't so sure of the reliability of the source. i reckon it'll be an undergrad entry?

QUOTE(limeuu @ May 22 2012, 08:50 AM)
it appears australia does have the need for more doctors, especially the regional areas, but there is a bottleneck in the internship phase, due to the 50% increase in graduating doctors at the moment....

they have been absorbing as many as 1k img immigrants each year all these while.....

however, with already 18 medical schools for a population of only 22 million, they are starting to look like msia if they approve more med schools....especially when several of the new ones have not even graduated any student.....

it will take a long time for curtin's proposed new programme to get established, so they will not be bringing it to miri any time soon, and i think the circumstances will have changed by then.....it will no longer be lucrative to start med schools.....
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it's not helping much too in Tassie with the budget issues here. I've spoken to one of the general physicians in the hospitals and apparently they need more GPs and general physicians rather than other specialists. And no, i doubt they will put the new med program in miri campus.

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