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QUOTE(samsung1234 @ Mar 4 2010, 10:39 AM)

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y they ask me dl adobe flash player ??
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Possibly it requires the latest Flash 10.
Currently N900 only supports Flash 9. Next update might have support for Flash 10.

I read that Flash 10 supports GPU acceleration

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QUOTE(chtan @ Mar 4 2010, 02:39 PM)
Actually, N900 is not classified as mobile phone but MID (thats why its web browsing offer a superior experience over others) with phone function attached. They are the same as Nokia previous tablet such as N700, N810 which never launched in our shore.

Nevertheless, its a very interesting gadget with no certainty due to its OS in used.

I'm still considering this or SE X10. Tough decision for me hmm.gif
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Perhaps the though decision is because one of it you like the design and another you like the OS?

Because both phone looks way different and both have different OS.

Just see which weighs more to you, the looks/design of the phone, or the OS.

Personally, I find the X10 design very plain, if Android I'd prefer Milestone/Droid, so if you compare X10 and N900, the design is way different and makes the decision much easier.
For Sony, I prefer X2 but it's WinMo and the specs are soooo dissapointing... but I like the phone design a lot.

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QUOTE(chtan @ Mar 4 2010, 04:06 PM)
Actually, the screen size is one of my major concern. X10 4" screen is able to provide better browsing experience than N900(i read a lot, ebook especially), but N900's browser is better than X10 cause X10 OS is only Android 1.6 (hm...if only it is 2.0/2.1 then the choice would be much more easier).

I'm using Samsung I8000 now so reading and browsing on 3.5" screen is best describe as...below my expectation though it serves its purpose.

Phone function to me is only non-critical.
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Mmm.... yup, from your perspective, it's a tough decision. You don't mind the phone design too? Although X10 have big screen but it lacks qwerty keyboard with is very useful data input and web browsing;

Is it not possible to update the OS to Android 2.0/2.1? Suppose they should allow upgrade, else what's the point of launching the device when the OS gets outdated and similarly, end up worst than N900/Maemo, because Sony is not going support Android as it's OS does not belong to them afterall.


QUOTE(jloi @ Mar 4 2010, 04:51 PM)
last nite i use skype (1st time) in my n900 wif friends while i multitasking..and i guess some bug appear while i keep multitask until my landscape mode phone now become potrait mode...
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Yup, that is a known bug, and in YouTube, some of them know how the steps to make the bug appear, lol.

But the multi-tasking is really great experience, you get so busy switching around apps/browsers/conversations; but one thing though, this device would be great to have more ram and processing power! Plus, when multi-tasking and listening to music, it affects the music at times.

QUOTE(wilber89 @ Mar 4 2010, 05:58 PM)
anyone know how to watch rmv files with nokia n900
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Try installing "Extra Decoders Support" from "devel" repositories.

Check below kiawin's blog how to add more options to your application catalog.
http://kiawin.com/blog/2010/02/nokia-n900-3-more-apps.html

NOTE: Take note that those catalogs are apps which are under testing or development stage and it might not be stable or have problems.

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QUOTE(kaoru @ Mar 7 2010, 02:52 PM)
since there is no video call ,what is the front camera for?
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Let's put it this way:
Probably Nokia is rushing to launch this device as soon as possible, thus many functions weren't available yet and/or is currently very basic. That could also be one reason why they didn't plan to launch in Asia at first.

You can see that the phone features/functionality is very basic; They emphasize more on the web browsing experience as this was more of an Internet Tablet.

Anyway, the phone is still easy to use and straightforward. Only if you want to make use of the device capabilities, then you need some knowledge/skills; but that's smartphone anyway, else what's the reason to get a smartphone?


QUOTE(nandayryu @ Mar 7 2010, 04:31 PM)
Have you tried iPhone or nexus1  ?or maybe Milestone yet ?
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It depends on each person definition of what is best for them.

If in terms of "GENERAL", technically, the N900 is one of the most powerful smartphone available today.
But to a user/owner, it depends on what the person is looking for and what's important to them. Some might be looking for good camera, thus any phone which doesn't have good camera becomes not good. Some might say "aiyah, this phone no multi-touch" so, they call it not good. These are all "personal" opinion.
In technical terms, if you compare the power/capabilities of these phones, it's very obvious N900 is the best currently.

Doesn't matter if the N900 is the most powerful smartphone or not, most important is what "YOU" (the user) really wants. A powerful phone, might mean nothing to someone who doesn't make use of the feature/function, right?
Just depends on what "YOU" really want; doesn't matter what others think, whether it's the best or not; more importantly is what's best for yourself. thumbup.gif



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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Mar 9 2010, 12:17 AM)
Everyone using AP set don't have any trouble so far.

To existing N900 users,can you guys show any picture taken with the N900's camera?
Some of the users complain that the camera is really bad.
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AP set are still original anyway, just depend which country is it from (and possible the quality also depends which country it is made?)
For AP Set, it should be US set (made in Korea) or UK set (not sure made in where).

As for the camera, I think possibly because of the settings; I find the auto mode not so "accurate"? Not sure.
Need to adjust the settings. And by default, it's using 3.5M (wide), if you want 5M, need to change manually. It's also said that the white balance isn't accurate too.

Currently there isn't much camera settings available for this phone, probably they can update it in the next firmware or there can be another camera app.

The videos recording are great with 848X480 resolution. Only thing you can't focus during recording, but I saw an app in mameo-talk forum which enable this feature; This is good once the app is stable.
Oh, the other problem with video is there is seems to be no anti-shake feature, thus your video can be quite shaky if you move or walk, even slowly. Lighting/Exposure might also be a problem since you can adjust during recording.

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QUOTE(Faith+1 @ Mar 9 2010, 01:00 PM)
How does the touchscreen response compared to N97?

I used my friend N97 before and it's really a huge turn down. They should make N900 into a capacitive touch screen.
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Both types of touch screen have it's pros and cons actually; Of course, once you're use to the other, you might find another not good. But when you get familiar with it, it's ok. Not really an issue really.

For resistive touch type, it's less sensitive (which actually has it's good) but it's more accurate. The actual difference /drawback is actually the multi-touch feature, but then how often do we need to use multi-touch? For me, it's NICE to have multi-touch, but not so important until it will prevent me from getting the device. For some people, yes, maybe it is that important. It depends on each person, how important each feature to the person.

As for N97, the older firmware is laggy, not smooth, no kinetic scrolling, etc. The latter version is way better and smoother, as experience from the mini.
Besides, N97 touch screen is actually pretty durable, better than N900; possibly this also contributes to its slightly poor touch function compared with N900 (as I find the N900 is slightly more sensitive/responsive)?

Anyway, the best is to touch for yourself and try it. You have to try it longer and get used to it to see if it's really a problem. As my friend find it's not sensitive for his "big" finger (no response), but his wife tried and don't find it a problem, instead find it pretty good.


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QUOTE(Ash @ Mar 9 2010, 09:09 PM)
The reason why AP was this cheap is because there wasnt an original price for them to set their price. AP pricelist has always been 200-300 hundreds chepaer than ori but this time AP had to come up with a price themselves hence the cheap price. I really think they're going to increase the price for AP set as soon as Nokia MAlaysia announces the price for this babe.
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I think probably AP followed the USD price converted, but it's lower than that for consumer that is. Previously I did thought of buying from ebay for about RM2K not include shipping. Shipping cost around RM150.

If you're on the scene, initially when no AP dealer here are selling, there're people selling for over RM3K, I think it was RM3.3K. Now, that's even more crazy. There're however one seller in lelong and mudah selling for about RM2.4K standard price, "automationbites". There not much or hardly can find any seller back then when I was in the hunt/search. Others are online store, such as vshub and ipmart.
Later, few sellers in lowyat started selling which is when the price start with around RM2K by x132755 and later more and more available.
What's funny is, I was shocked that one of the very small and cheap looking handphone shop nearby my office is selling the N900! When other bigger and so called famous ones I know of didn't know or say cannot find this phone back then.
Another funny thing is, when many seller are already selling for RM2K, I find still have few seller selling over RM2.5K in lelong.com.my for several weeks.


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Since the N900 browser supports Full Flash v9, that means you can have access to most of the flash apps/games/videos available, and there're just so so many...

Check out Flash Demo on the N900:



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Darn! They're smart to give the DC-11!!!!!
I want!
That thing cost over 150? Possibly over 200? Since ori batt sold by Nokia Professional already about 150?

If AP 2K + DC-11 = not much different from authorised set...
Ouch! But look on the bright side and look forward; This is a good thing and good news!!!!!

Wonder if there is AP version DC-11 hmm.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Clareen @ Mar 12 2010, 12:43 PM)
This is good deal because i heard Nokia Avaxx sales person contact me told us the price is around RM3k
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Possibly they change their mind after doing some survey? Maybe they think such powerful device can sell at first and didn't know about it's problem and competitive market? Cause if they drop price later after losing out to others, I think the initial buyers will complain like crazy,... it's shocking N97 mini price drop as well, so fast.

Btw, happen to have Nokia DC-11 or Nokia DC-8? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Mar 12 2010, 03:20 PM)
Orite!! WTS my Milestone, RM1700. Who wan?

I wanna buy N900 back biggrin.gif
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LOL~ You can also wait for MeeGo device later, then you have one Android and one MeeGo. brows.gif
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Nokia (Hello Station) selling DC-11 = RM229


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QUOTE(jloi @ Mar 12 2010, 04:13 PM)
got 1 felor pm me..irenic his name..he mistook me wanna sell milstoen for 1.7k -___-..wtf
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Maybe the felor distracted by your avatar! brows.gif

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QUOTE(Spunky @ Mar 12 2010, 04:22 PM)
Actually what is this DC11 for?
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1500mah Emergency Charger (Portable)

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QUOTE(Ash @ Mar 12 2010, 05:15 PM)
Wow I would love to have this charger as well. Let me know if anyone is willing to sell it for rm100 tongue.gif
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Haha, don't buy from those shop lo, hehe.

The DC-11 uses 1500mah battery. Some site says maybe inside is BP-4L battery which has 1500mah.
I think Nokia authorised shop selling this battery quite expensive also.

There's also other option actually, get those AA battery emergency charger; then use rechargeable battery with high capacity like 1800mah or > 2000mah type. But I read the AA battery emergency charger is less efficient, don't know why.
Nokia also have this, it's call DC-8. (ebay selling less than RM100, DC-11 less than RM150).

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QUOTE(melvin_ctz @ Mar 13 2010, 07:15 AM)
haha.. tx for the info bro.. well guess i've gotta get used to it rather than waiting for the firmware to update to support portrait mode lo. haha. lets hope and see wat MeeGo has to offer us.  hmm.gif

Note: seriously, for those of you out there who wants to get N900, make sure yr prepared to face this prob ( cant use portrait mode ). its up to u whether are u willing to be patient with it and get use to using a fon in Landscape mode only.  nod.gif

but overall i think its a damn good fon. i tested it and i feel it is jus a ALL IN ONE FON to me. and something really new in the market for sure. im sure N900 will do well in the market.  thumbup.gif
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Haha, the portrait text messaging is useful for when... typing sms when you're.. *ahem* driving...
Good way to prevent users from typing sms with one hand activity tongue.gif

When you're used to landscape mode, you might find portrait mode is less appealing already, because this landscape gives you widescreen view... After I've used to landscape browsing mode, and I tried changing to Portrait mode, I give up using portrait mode browsing. With landscape, mostly you just need to scroll up-down, with portait mode, you need to scroll left-right-up-down quite busy and reading text is not so fun.
As for reading SMS, I suspect it's also the same, long text will span multiple lines in portrait mode, and if there's on screen keyboard, it'll be number keyboard instead of QWERTY keyboard.

But anyway, it's still a NICE TO HAVE option. The next major update is coming (hopefully and probably before this N900 is launch in Malaysia), and hopefully it'll resolve many of the basic/minor or important issues, such as, MMS, contacts grouping, assign sms to contacts and also groups, storing/archiving old sms/conversations, able to sync with Ovi Suite (can transfer Symbian phone's SMS and Notes), fully functional Ovi Map, etc.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 13 2010, 09:12 AM)
Haha, the portrait text messaging is useful for when... typing sms when you're.. *ahem* driving...
Good way to prevent users from typing sms with one hand activity  tongue.gif

When you're used to landscape mode, you might find portrait mode is less appealing already, because this landscape gives you widescreen view... After I've used to landscape browsing mode, and I tried changing to Portrait mode, I give up using portrait mode browsing. With landscape, mostly you just need to scroll up-down, with portait mode, you need to scroll left-right-up-down quite busy and reading text is not so fun.
As for reading SMS, I suspect it's also the same, long text will span multiple lines in portrait mode, and if there's on screen keyboard, it'll be number keyboard instead of QWERTY keyboard.

But anyway, it's still a NICE TO HAVE option. The next major update is coming (hopefully and probably before this N900 is launch in Malaysia), and hopefully it'll resolve many of the basic/minor or important issues, such as, MMS, contacts grouping, assign sms to contacts and also groups, storing/archiving old sms/conversations, able to sync with Ovi Suite (can transfer Symbian phone's SMS and Notes), fully functional Ovi Map, etc. 

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pardon my mistake, it seems there is a way to do it. probably ot perfect or built-in feaure for now:
http://www.nokian900applications.com/rotat...for-nokia-n900/
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Mar 14 2010, 02:59 PM)
cant get ovi suite to recognise my n900 rclxub.gif doh.gif
on my win7 machine it cant detect the phone
on my xp machin it says not supported doh.gif
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Ovi Suite does not support N900 yet.

Nokia PC Suite only support partially (can sync Contacts, Calendar/Task/ToDo, and notes (for Contacts and Calender) only).
It can't transfer SMS and Notes from previous Symbian devices.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 12 2010, 04:19 PM)
Nokia (Hello Station) selling DC-11 = RM229
Correction to myself haha
DC-11 from Nokia Care (or Hello Station) = RM199.

However, some Hello Station still have the old price tag of RM299!!! Price inconsistencies, but after ask them to check further, they can give for RM199 which I think should be the correct price.

This thing is actually pretty good, it can charge 2 device simultaneously; And was able to charge the N900 to full from about 40%. Although the manual says it can charge only completely charge a 950mah battery.

I also notice something, usually I left my phone charge overnight, and in the morning even though it showed 96% full, it's not really 96%. About 30 minutes later, when I check, my battery is less than 85% full.
The reason I suspect is because there was a cut-off when you battery is full and it will not charge until your battery drops until a certain level.
Yesterday I tried to charge my phone when it's about 85% full, it doesn't let me charge and tell me the battery is full.

Today, my when my battery left with about 81% (I think), I was able to charge it, and after quite long, probably 20 minutes or more? I unplug the charger and notice the battery is only 90% full. And this 90% is very stable. Even I'm on 2.5 connected to IM, after about 30 mins, still have about 87%!!!

The above I believe if we left it charge too long, when the battery is full, the charging is cut off and never recharge again until it's needed. When we remove the charger, the initial 96% is not accurate, and it drops very fast to it's actual % level. Thus, this can help explain if anybody experience poor battery life for the first 85% to 96%.

http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm

The battery never gets 100% charge (as also mentioned in talk-maemo.org forum), the best I get is 97%.
To see the battery level percentage, install the batlevel from devel-repositories (I think it's still in devel).
Bear in mind that it will somehow consume a little of your battery life, and it's also not stable sometimes, it can stop responding where you need to close it and open it again.



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QUOTE(firstknight @ Mar 15 2010, 11:35 PM)
no Meego for N900.. time to protest....
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Read talk-maemo.org forum, they mentioned something more informative than the CNET blog. Besides, there's no proper source from the CNET blog.

The blog actually mentioned Maemo not upgradable to MeeGo; Well, in terms of OS, of course Maemo cannot be upgraded to MeeGo, it's more like a change of OS rather than upgrade. Possibly the correct term is can N900 support MeeGo or something like that.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47412

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QUOTE(BRY7 @ Mar 16 2010, 08:21 AM)
how come they have it but no pricing?
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Maybe the sales staff are not "hardworking"/"working smart" enough to check the online website and also check with the management. This is the problem with many of the sales staff in Malaysia, lack of Product knowledge (which is one of the important things); They should have interest in these phones, frequent update with the latest phones in the market, test out each phone and understand each phone at least up to a certain level. This way, they can explain in detail to customers each phone functionality/features/etc and also pin point the unique or key selling point to the customers based on what the customers want.

If you watch YouTube, those people actually approach those sales people and ask tons of technical questions; LoL, if you do that over here, I think it's a disaster. Even sometimes a simple question they also cannot answer and I have to check it myself through the phone or they have to do it, or they refer back to their brochure. They have all the time to play with the demo unit, etc yet they don't have the interest to do it.

Sorry OFF TOPIC, haha tongue.gif

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QUOTE(nles @ Mar 16 2010, 11:18 AM)
Well that's pretty normal in Malaysia, at least in LowYat there some of the sales a little better now. If you go to phone fair, pc fair even worst as those are mostly temp promoter.

You ask them question and they will refer to the brochure, doesn't state there then they will ask their manager.  doh.gif  Last time when notebook manufacturer doesn't really concern about the notebook weight, I ask the sales person then he call the manager. Even the manager can't give me the exact weight.
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True, there's one person I know who have no experience in that particular field and no IT knowledge at all, and don't even know what is simple IT product, got a very high position in a reputable big company, increased more than triple the persons previous salary, all just by "recommendation".

Anyway, back on the N900; I wonder if the sales people will be knowledgeable enough to introduce/promote this phone when it is launched. There's just so many things to thing phone, especially if many IT geeks or Linux professionals are interested in this phone. Did anybody watch TheStar intro for the N900 which interviews with the Nokia Marketing Manager (I think) of Nokia Malaysia? Seems they talk greatly of the phone but I find that's very basic and didn't really talk about the capabilities and specialty of this phone. What's mentioned in the video is very front end or simple introduction, they should talk in depth about the phone which normal user will not know when testing out the phone, and they should pin point the plus points which gives the "Oooohs" and "Aaaahs" to the public, not just something that's too obvious where everyone can know just by trying out the phone.

I believe many first time owner also are still looking for what's the special thing about this N900, while some sold it because they can't find the special thing, because it might need to explore and learn more to get to know more of this phone. Just like those more detailed reviews in YouTube which really shows more interesting features of the phone.
Even my friend who is already anti-Nokia, and when he first saw my N900 he wasn't impressed at all, even with the desktop and so on.
But one day, he wanted to look for something and on the spot, I help him to check with N900 browser, search for the product he wants, multi-tasking on the spot, opening multiple windows while having conversations with another person and he also see all the mini windows loading in background (true multi-tasking), also show him the movie player and it's capabilities (can directly play video files without converting) and so on. Later on, he finally ask me... about the price of official set.
Even another friend who own the iPhone also "wow-ed" by it and was speechless.
And that was just multi-tasking and browser demo...

Recently I bought a mag (didn't know it was an India magazine), inside there is a very detailed reviewed on the N900 and talk in depth or it's capabilities and features, the guy if I'm not wrong is a Linux professional also a developer possibly. The review span more than 3 pages long with full of words, and in the end due to page limitation the author needs to end it and mentioned that it's not doing the N900 justice as he hasn't even covered 50% of the N900.



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