Wenger to get an apology after sending off.

They should apologize. I didn't find it cool at all that Wenger had to stand there getting all the abuse from the surrounding MU fans. Too bad it is not Mike Dean and Lee Probert themself who are going to apologize.

This post has been edited by meaj: Aug 30 2009, 08:25 PM

well..explain this.

rooney 10 WARNINGS again which team i forgot..few seasons back..0 card
nevilles sisters super duper bad tackling acts against the invincible..0 card
rio (iirc) fouls (as last man) against ljungberg..2 seasons back i guess..0 card..no free kick also..

this is few OBVIOUS incidents..i dont talk about the 50-50 incidents..
ok stop whining..lets go back to the future..

next match against city..can we recover? afaik, cesc will be back. so better bench our low-morale diaby for now..and go with the formation against everton..the same player..the chance of winning will be higher because our opponent will be the real manchester club so no 12th men there

Correct me if i am wrong but i think we will get Cesc, Walcott and Nasri back come man city and that will be a major boost.And then there is the international break where we always get our players injured

dont worry guys..we will back..stronger..diaby also..

but verminator doing very good jobs..i'm happy with our backline now..

If it was a dive, how did Almunia's body change direction after the supposed 'dive'?

I do agree that sending Wenger off with 30 seconds to go was redundant.

Although I hate to admit it, I think you're rite. Next week, Diaby should sit this one off for now. I'm starting to see some spark on his heels and he doesn't lose the ball so often compared to last season. Personally for me, Diaby is the man I'll be watching over. Hope he will progress better this season for the team.

Rooney himself proved that you can turn yourself around as you slide when he raised his hand looking for the ref.

But enough of that really. As I said earlier, given all other factors, it's a legitimate penalty. So, Rooney's impeccably timed stunt didn't matter in the end.

ah shit!! we should have win!!

how come diaby not redeem himself after the own goal?? he nearly scored some minutes after that.

please come van der vaart.. so we have some sure feet to rely to..

Adebayor scored again. He's really on fire right now eh?

There's no doubt that contact was made, but as shown in the gifs Rooney's leg was already trailing before Almunia even reached him. Rooney jumped like he previously did vs Sol. It's the intention that constitutes a dive, not contact alone.It was a hard decision for the referee to make at that time since it truly looked as if Rooney was legitimately fouled, but so was Dudu vs Celtic. I was pretty sure it was a true penalty at that time and I can't blame the referee for giving it... just that with Dudu being charged retrospectively will Rooney be charged if our players make noise? Not that I'm suggesting our players do so.

You would understand the frustration had Andy's penalty been given and Rooney's wasn't. Not that it would change anything now, but it's very likely that no one will even bother to review this incident whereas Dudu was being made a villain last week. There isn't much use to charge Rooney now since it won't change the result, but it only emphasises how badly we were treated in the past week.

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Aug 30 2009, 09:18 PM

yep ade score a header. enough about him..

about last nite game.. well... we were the better side but luck wasn't on our side.

Enough about rooney dive.. valencia elbow.. fletcher kick and tackle... it's over. the referee was an absolute disgrace... we didn't get the calls because of what happened in midweek. it's shouldn't be a factor but it was.

I wanted to blame diaby but i know it's not easy for him. So, as a diaby-hater from before, i'm now a believer that he can be very good indeed. He and Eboue was very good yesterday. Song and Denilson was again, SOLID. Gallas and vermy, rock solid... i can't find fault for them except last minute Gallas offside! ehehe..

overall... a lost and we're headed into interlull again. hopefully cesc won't be playing this week.

If we got Cesc or NAsri or even Rosicky yesterday, i believe we would have been 2-0 up by halftime. We were controlling the game. United was parking their bus. Look at the game again, you'll see we were attacking most of the time.

What's needed now is for the team to buck up and response. NExt is Man Citeh at Manchester again. Let's go there and show them what we can do.

BTW... Arshavin found his scoring touch again. it's coming along nicely. as i've told u guys... 5 goals... sept 12th.. wait for it!

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Added on August 30, 2009, 9:59 pmbtw... barca.. shut up la!!

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...ansfers&cc=4716

This post has been edited by sakaito: Aug 30 2009, 09:59 PM

If intention to anticipate contact does constitute a dive, 90 percent of all free kicks and penalties would be dives because in a situation such as yesterday's, players can just jump over the goalkeepers (or tackles) instead of running into them but that obviously isn't the case.

EDIT: Rooney was legitimately fouled because he was tripped in the box by Almunia. Yes, you could say he could have avoided it by jumping over Almunia but he didn't and he kicked the ball away so that Almunia has no chance to reach the ball but nonetheless, contact was made.

I've not watched the Eduardo incident but to my understanding, there was no contact between Eduardo and the goalkeeper. Had there been contact and if indeed Eduardo looked for it, it would have been a penalty but to my understanding there was an outrage because the supposed 'dive' looked like what Eboue did as opposed to what Rooney did.

Moreover, looking for contact and simulating contact are two different things. Had no contact been made and Rooney had fallen down, he may have been booked but now that there has been contact, how is it not a foul just because Rooney was looking for it?

EDIT 2: To prove my point, watch Eto'o being fouled by Gattuso last night and compare that to Rooney's yellow card yesterday. Eto'o could ride that tackle if he wanted to but he didn't. Does that make it any less of a foul from Gattuso? On the other hand, the Arsenal player fouled by Rooney chose to stay on his feet. Had the Arsenal player gone to ground, you would say he exaggerated contact but does that make the swipe from Rooney any less of a foul?

Put it this way, had Evra made contact with Eboue, would you book both Eboue and Evra? Evra for committing a foul (because contact was indeed made on Eboue and Eboue fell) and Eboue for looking and exaggerating the contact? It will never happen. In this hypothetical situation, yes, Eboue was looking for it but Evra still did catch him. That doesn't make it any less of a foul than it actually is.

My own special 'facts':
- It was a foul when Almunia made contact
- Rooney may have (in your eyes, he definitely did) exaggerated and looked for the contact to make it easier for the referee to make a decision but it should still have been the same decision.
- Even in that case, it's still a foul.
- It would be DIFFERENT to Eduardo's case if there was no contact made on Eduardo so I wouldn't put the two decisions in the same category just yet.

Admittedly, I could understand your grief at Arshavin's case.

This post has been edited by kobe8byrant: Aug 30 2009, 10:19 PM

Any transfer news about Arsenal?

tomorrow... we'll hear some news... hopefully

Im not sure, but i think the fourth official should be blamed for Wenger dismissal. He's the one who suggested the idea the Mike Dean.

This post has been edited by O-haiyo: Aug 30 2009, 10:25 PM

Both Eduardo and Rooney threw themselves to the ground anticipating contact (which apparently Rooney got more of). Now look, whatever it is, I believe now people should start to understand that this is a very subjective matter. I hope now people will understand the foolishness of the Uefa's ruling that says Dudu should get a 2 match ban. You dive wonderfully and correctly timed, you get a penalty, you dive wrong, you'll face Uefa. Right.

I say, just leave it to the ref just like always. Even if it is Mike Dean.

It was his call though.

There was contact between Eduardo and Burca or whatever the keeper's name is.

The point of contention now isnt if it constitutes a penalty, but whether Rooney dived. He did, you can clearly see he tumbles before any contact with Almunia was made. It doesnt matter if he wanted contact or to simulate it, he had to dive to achieve either. And as meaj says, it was a wonderfully-timed dive. Something he did 5 years ago against us too. Plus as has been said Rooney kicked the ball out of the field with his touch.

Even if Evra made contact with Eboue its obvious Eboue was the one who dived. I'm not going to defend him. I've always knocked him down for diving.

This whole thing is pissing me off because of the treatment Eduardo has been handed.

Precisely, dive at your peril. Had there been no contact, we would have been 10 men down. Because when you bring intention into the discussion, ALL players would look for and exaggerate contact if they know it would win them decisions.

As it stands, Rooney flicked the ball away and made sure he ran into the bumbling Almunia who had NONE of the ball and all of Rooney. No matter how you looked at how Rooney fell, there was contact. Had Rooney fallen first and his head was caught by Almunia's hands, Rooney would have been off.

You ride your luck.

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Added on August 30, 2009, 10:36 pmThe reason why I am not calling it a dive is because I'm not entirely sure. I replayed the gif 100 times and out of the 100, 50 times said dive. Why? He was running at full speed with his right foot stretched outwards to get the ball away from Almunia. Try mimicking that motion in your room, right foot stretched far out, and look at your left knee, it's downwards. That's the other 50 times in my head - that Rooney was so obsessed with kicking the ball away from Almunia that he didn't bother if he was out of balance and did a split as long as the ball was away.

Even if Eboue dived, now that contact was made, was it any less of a foul. Answer that as well. It's obvious you're trying to shield Almunia by calling Rooney the devil but turn the tables, would it have been any less of a foul if contact was indeed exaggerated?

This post has been edited by kobe8byrant: Aug 30 2009, 10:36 PM

I'm among few gooners here, well, maybe the only one who says that it was a penalty. No questions. But Rooney did dive. As did countless other strikers all over the world. But Uefa should just leave it to the ref.

By the way, I don't think Mike Dean will send Rooney off should he caught him diving. Just a yellow at most. That's what you normally get for diving. Almunia on the other hand was risking a red.