What's the point? I see a lot of cars modified lowered by installing adjustable suspension system with low profile tyres.
And they are mostly NORMAL sedan cars like Vios, City, All Plotong, Camry, Accord, etc.

Unless you're driving a ferrari, Lambo, and the likes, you don't need to because their original design is like that.


Sometimes I really whenever I see the mentality of these people.

can corner faster

you'll kena hantam very soon...

aiya~~ they can change whatever they wan mah~~
money belong to them~~~

lower the car will lower the center of gravity as well, so it is a bit more stable on high speed.

lower ride normally will have a stiffer suspension, plus with low profile tires which is probably hard sidewall, it will reduce the body roll when doing heavy corner.

That's what I expect, I want to see their creative replies, BTW you don't know who I am do you?

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Added on August 18, 2009, 10:25 pmIf that's the case why Car Engineers design sport car as such and normal sedan car as such?
Don't you know the difference?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 18 2009, 10:25 PM

let me guess, you're the retarded troll

normal sedan car is aim for people at all age range, which is for comfort, but there are some people who dont like the car too comfort and cause too much body roll during heavy cornering with the soft suspension setup, that's why they will install after market parts to suit their driving style.

i know you are going to say "why dont they just go and buy a sport car?"

the price gap for sport car and sedan car are way too huge, and sport car maintenance are generally higher than normal sedan car, even the fuel consumption also higher, many sport car doesn't have 4 doors, which is not good for carry stuff and carry human inside, while a modded sedan still can fit in 4 person with no problem.

Retarded in what sense?

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Added on August 18, 2009, 10:33 pmAnd my question to you is, why would you want to do heavy cornering on a busy road like town center?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 18 2009, 10:33 PM

flaming detected

This post has been edited by ah liew: Aug 18 2009, 10:35 PM

Sports cars such as skylines or imprezas are also lowered or have their suspensions changed. Why? To further IMPROVE the stability and handling on it. Remember, not everyone likes to drive straight, a lot of enthusiasts likes cornering.

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Added on August 18, 2009, 10:35 pmThose are morons endangering their life's and others! Alot of people take it to the track of empty streets.

This post has been edited by xDjWanNabex: Aug 18 2009, 10:35 PM

sumtimes lowering the car helps, it depends whether the owner did for driving purposes or styling purposes..
a lowered car can provide a lower center of gravity to the car which in turn making the car more stable.. just like amduser pointed out
doesn't mean do heavy cornering only wat, it improves the overall stability of the car.

No that's not what I call an answer. Are you trying to emulate retardation by pretending to be one?


My point exactly.

lowered ride and modded suspension not only benefit for cornering, but straight road as well.

i live in KL, and there are some place which is not jam and sometimes not busy, some car (like vios) has a very very bad body roll during cornering even at not very high speed.

and also there are some people who bring their car for a run in sepang with their car club or whatever.



This post has been edited by amduser: Aug 18 2009, 10:40 PM

and only org gila go do heavy cornering on the streets..
sum ppl wan to use their car as a daily passenger car and also a track car on the weekends..
lowering their car is a vital mod.

If you drive properly any car is stable enough, your point is not valid.

Not everyone loves to drive below 60. People who drive above 60 and take corners can feel body roll. They lower their rides to counter this! Some opt for it for its aesthetic looks.

I think you don't get my idea. A normal sedan car when lowered doesn't look good or cool, it's still a sedan car no matter how hard you try.

You got to accept the fact. Not everyone can own a sports car. They have to mod a sedan car, to look and perform like a sports car.

define "drive properly"

then dont look at it

lamborghini = 1.5mil
vios+ adjustable springs + 18inch tires = 100k

see the difference? not everyone can afford a supercar

lolz , stop feeding him ,

This post has been edited by 812799: Aug 18 2009, 10:51 PM

retards will reject every answer people provides

because he's the one who drive wiralution and his 2nd car is wajalution

anyway does it hurt you when you see these cars ?

Lets say u r driving @ normal speed, suddenly out of no where a small kid run across da road by a few meters infront of u... Wat would u react??? Brake as hard as possible n try 2 avoid da kid right??? Maybe IF u r unlucky, u might loose control n hit da kid or sumthing else. But wit gud suspension means better response from ur lowered vehicle. Am I rite??? Low profile tires is wider tires... means more rubber surface on the road...

They have to?

Try and digest the part that says perform and look like a sports car. Does it look like a sport car, say for example, a wiralution? Does it really? If you see carefully it's still a four door and the car shape is still a sedan shape. I LoL.

You have a problem with driving properly?

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Added on August 18, 2009, 11:01 pmYes but the fact remain Vios = Vios, it's not a lambo no matter how much you mod.

Because my answer has merits.


First of all I don't even know you, and second that alone qualify that you don't know what car I drive.

I just shake head and do a face palm every time, muttering, stupid brainless idiots. Somehow it feels good.

HAHAHAHAHA you got anything to back your statement?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 18 2009, 11:01 PM

they dont need to be perform like a sport car and look like a sport car, some people just want to mod it to their preference.

driving properly is very subjective, varies from people to people, so i would like you to explain your definition of "driving properly"

even you drive under speed limit, your car will still out of control for some reason.

TS is here to start BS. all explanation given but TS gives his 2 cents which in my opinion is bullocks. better for MOD to delete this thread.

you are not answering my question , read properly

What reasons?


bullocks my ass. I don't see you doing any better.

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Added on August 18, 2009, 11:04 pmSometimes I laugh too.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 18 2009, 11:04 PM

Back my statement???

nice story

you are still not answering my question ...

i understand retards needs merits.

Cars lowered is guaranteed to never have accidents towards anybody or things.

juz wondering ts izit drive any sport car?? mind share with us ur super ride...

TS orang kaya

he doesn't said guarantee.

that's because you're incapable of understanding answers.

wow that's all you can do for now?

Obviously u didn't read my 1st post properly??? 'IF' 'Unlucky'

Now I m slapping my forehead...

I'm advocating for let sports car be sports car and let sedan cars be sedan cars. Nothing to do with me driving whatever sports car. It's irrelevant.


He said But wit gud suspension means better response from ur lowered vehicle.
Makes no difference to me. If you didn't hit that kid, you're just lucky.

unknown warrior likes to drive standard car like uncle2 style.....

Then you're just unlucky.

1st of all TS is not even matured enough to understand a proper car set up ... stop talking to a donkey ...

What car are you driving?

or maybe he drive tonggek car or sedan car tinggi like bigfoot.....

So what is a proper car setup to you?

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Added on August 18, 2009, 11:15 pmor maybe not.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 18 2009, 11:15 PM

Dats my point... better suspension n tires mean better da chance 4 u 2 avoid an accident... Its like u dunno anything about cars, suspension, tires n etc...

But is that a valid enough point to lower your car? because last I checked most of the people in here supports the main reason why people lower their car so that it would performed and more importantly LOOKED like a sports car. I can see you're the odd one out.

y lower? --> because want to improve handling in order to whack corner, achieve stability, and improve the percentage of safetiness

y want to whack corner fast2? --> because human nature maa....sometimes i want to feel a bit young lor so the young blood in me wants to whack the corner fast2 and with the lowered suspension allows me to do that with full confidence. unless you are an uncle who is retired already, so u may not care about whacking corners.

if u feel u r young n fast y not do it in track and not endangering others?--> the answer will be because of human nature also lor....humans are born to break rules. so when the urge to drive fast come, so it come la.

if u lower a vios, it's still a vios...no point. --> that's the point lar, who said i want to lower it to become other type of car, i just want the vios to be stable and improve handling only. haiz

perform n looks... I m juz giving u an example dat lowered cars has better steering response... Dats my opinion y dun u Google it around n find ur answer there... rather than here in FnF flaming ppl's opinion...

This post has been edited by rozz_1291: Aug 18 2009, 11:26 PM

and because of people like you, no wonder this country is constantly in such a mess. Tidak apa attitude.

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Added on August 18, 2009, 11:28 pmSure but my respond to you would be, if you're whacking corners at fast speed and it so happens that there's someone at that corner, no matter what suspension system you use, if you don't have enough distance or time, it's a very high chance you'll hit that someone. So maybe you should Google some common sense.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 18 2009, 11:28 PM

N another example is YOU shooting ppl's opnion.. If u think u r right from B4, no nid 2 open up dis thread... U can say lowered sedan cars look like ahbeng'ish, ugly or watsoever... N we r happy wit our opinions...

I change to bigger tyres to increase my car's height lol

Coz Wira and the bump problem

Again, u did not read my 1st post... 'If u were driving @ a normal speed' Seriously, I dun think so u r a retard... but either u r playing stupid or juz plain stupid...

wow i didn't know that by lowering a car will put a country in a mess

Dats wat he said... n he is alwiz right...

What about people who lower their car becoz of comfort? Some people juz cannot tahan body roll... And some ppl mod because of safety. Low profile tyre give better braking distance and better control at corner. Sometimes when there is a pile of water on the road u'll wish u have a better handling car.

I think my point can be argued back, I still have yet to see a better one.

okay.

If you're driving normal speed, that would mean you slowing down at corners. If you slow down and practice defensive driving, isn't it likely you can avoid accidents irregardless of whether you lower your car or not?

Unless you have comprehension problem, I was pointing to the attitude.

Yes, TQ.

You mean the original designer of the car did not take safety into consideration? What are you? Some sort of qualified car engineer? I don't think so, no your point is not valid.

Lol its proven fact dude. Accept it and stop crying like a baby! Original car designer has made the car up to the std required but we can further improve it.

Again lor... x paham also... did I mention corners??? I said suddenly got a kid run across u juz a few meters away...(normal straight) N u surely slam on da brakes n try 2 avoid... rite??? wit better tires n suspension, u will have better chances 2 avoid unwanted accidents... But as u said... not all ppl think dat way... sum of them lowered their car 4 looks... like example, cutting springs n removing rubber bushing. Mine is juz hard lowered springs wit sum gud absorbers...

okay. what's wrong with my statement that led to u making judgement of the attitude?
and to top it all, how on earth the 'tidak apa' attitude be relevance in my statement? no relation whatsoever at all

This post has been edited by *7*: Aug 18 2009, 11:49 PM

accept the fact that you're a retard is good

you oso dont know anythin bout design n manufacturing...
what about economic engineering n satisfying design statement

Oh you mean like those after market devices claiming to save petrol and all that jazz? I see where you're coming from now.

after reading all the post, i think you are the one who are retard. no offence.

Haha looks like u are those buyer that don't use brain. I sell u dung for 5 bucks and say it can make u rich u believe??? Ppl consider with their head before purchasing the product to ensure that it is useful, not rely on sales puff.

TS kena gangbang
but TS still can handle.

I dun think so... as u can he is talking crap shit from da beginning...

Your logic isn't sound, if you're driving a straight road, and suddenly there's a kid running out all of a sudden? Can you define a more proper scenario? In which location? Living residential areas? In a Highway? where?


So you finally admit it's just looks?


if you're going to sit behind that wheel and drive, be responsible. Don't be like an immature brat who's driving are controlled by his emotions or up to his whims and fancy. unbelievable idiocy.

if you want to flame somebody at least do it in proper English.

What about it?

googling by yourself nerd

Actually a lower car does help alot, but it's personal preference.

A lower centre of gravity means less skew on the body, less roll, simple physics.

A lower car also experiences less aerodynamic drag and more downforce, so you save money on petrol and get better grip. I think reputable spring manufacturers like Koni, Bilstein and Eibach Federn have all come to the same conclusion on this.

A lower vehicle also gives better steering feedback due to the inherent mechanical nature of steerings. You have less torsional loading as the distance between components decrease, not to mention less flex.

Cars are made to satisfy economic requirements and not all are driver orientated, eg; Stiffening foam put into pillars, it makes the car body much more rigid and safer under high stress, but it's expensive and thus unimplemented on most production vehicles.

i agree with you, There is no point in lowering your car. People do it because they are in a car club/enthusiast and its proven by their fellow members. Its useless.. but somewhat ppl still do it. Its peer pressure. Someone does it, another person have to do it. Its life.

ok.. dunno if any1 mentioned this before but i'll just say it here..

My Wira which is sold already. 1.5CC mod 4G92 Mivec engine coz ori engine not good, then i found out my car automatic lowered.. due to the heaviness of the engine.. i changed to 1.8 wira suspension, also same.. so might as well just change to sport suspension(not lowered).

But my car outlook still lowered.. Weight of the engine also 1 factor causing the car be lowered for me.

XD

yes retard

a kid, a cow, a dog, a cat, an ******* or a crazy retard. Which location, u choose.. where, u choose... If u have been driving a 'car', then u will noe how our Malaysian road is... there is no nid 4 me 2 xplain 2 u in details... cuz @ the end, u still dun get da point... 4 an example:

'So you finally admit it's just looks?'

U read back all my replies... until now u still dun get it... If u say LOOKS... then up 2 u la... Hope Mod will close n delete dis thread... Cuz most of da new topics open up here, r logic n accepting other ppl's opinion no doubt not all r correct... Dis is like a provoking or flaming topic 2 me...

First of all I don't even know you, and second that alone qualify that you don't have the right to say i am immature brat let alone to say i am not responsible coz u don't know the way i drive. I may be whacking corner but i'll do it after considering it is safe to do so for me and other road users. A driver knows his machine's limit. and it is safe to say, I am that driver.

Yup.... diffrnt cars have diffrnt limits... drivers will surely noes their own car's limit...

I'm not in a club, but i'm still looking at some good bilsteins or Teins.

Some people just want more out of a vehicle. Once you've driven a real enthusiast's vehicle, like 180SX, Evo, Skyline, WRX and so on, you'll know what i mean. Lowering a vehicle helps it's handling, responsiveness, over/understeer, at the expense of ride comfort.

It's yer choice, choose what you want.

I know all that but the fact remains that I was pointing out to lowering normal sedan cars. To me it's your driving attitude that makes all the difference. You can Mod until your car is as low as it gets but if the original design is tall like Nissan Selphy it still defeat the purpose. Try and read back from page 1 to get what I mean.


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Can you be clear instead of mumbling?


From how you think I don't think so. What is whacking corners to you? Really?

Its clearly stated... unless u r stupid. I mean, I m juz going in circles xplaining 2 u from da beginning n u still dun get da point... wat 4 wasting my time repeating it again n again.... until like 100 replies???

I drive a Skyline 4 door sedan. Pretty much a normal car. I just decided, for the driving i like, lowering it would give me better results.

Lower it however you like, it's up to you to decide on what you want with your vehicle.

The EVO is a 4 door sedan, so is the Subaru WRX. They're rally cars, but they've done pretty well on the tarmac track with modifications.

Dude, you do know how to differentiate what are sports performance cars? and
You know what is a normal sedan car? Right?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 19 2009, 12:51 AM

nope its 4 door saloon..

just ignore this guy..
he keep circling with u all..
right now he keep thinking which part that he had edi use to reply to u guys..
this kind of people think that all of its thought all are true and no one can deny it..
if u think that u are right than just keep to urself..
everybody has their own idea about car..
if u think that lowered car is dumb,lousy, fools or etc than just be it that way..
that owner doesnt go to u ask 4 ur money or what so ever..
dont come here tease people here and there..
if u have something to say,just spread the word..
settle!!

Nope it's a 4 door sports performance car.


What the heck is wrong with you? Which part do you think doesn't make sense? If you think I was wrong, point it out and I'll explain why I said so.