The difference between a Normal Subaru Boxer 2.5l engine and the one in the WRX are simply 2 fold, a turbo and a better ECU. That's very little considering the base of both cars are the same.

Either way UW should try driving a car with REAL grunt and BHP, even my father's 740 doesn't punch as much power as my ride.

you guys got trolled.

dont feed the troll.

Common fstrader
What's taking you so long?
You scared or what? It's just a simple question.

rick trolled.

I have nothing against driving cars that gives you the adrenalin rush, I'm just sad a lot of these F&F folk are clueless as to what I was up to.

then why not i ask u back the same question of, WHY u open a baseless topic?

and why you ask such questions??

dont ask me back a question if u havent answered my questions, and i think that is a very fair statement?

reason for asking about ur problem or mine is immaterial AS i am asking you a question, and not d other way round??

or ur brain is still in kopitiam chatting with a poor underage ger?


i aint ur opponent, in fact i am not worthy at all to be your opponent.

if u know me or dont know me, its up to yourself to think of a better topic to open for discussion of all car enthusiast in lyn.net

ts, google la...

unker fred is in da house...

and pray tell me why you enter my thread if you think it's baseless? I'm baffled by your emotional response. What under age girl? Are you emotionally challenged now? If you are, you're welcome to either refute me post or very simply, sit quietly in one corner like those others who have been silenced.

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Added on August 19, 2009, 1:49 amYour unker is very slow in responding.
I changed my mind he's not worthy anymore.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 19 2009, 01:49 AM

This is what I found on google, seems like TS do have a valid point after all.....


Many think that the keys to good handling are super-low profile tires, stiff springs, rock-hard shocks, wrist-thick "sway" bars, and slammed-to-the-ground suspensions. "Many" are mistaken. Done haphazardly, these "improvements" can make a car SLOWER around a racetrack and punishing on the street.

Radical Lowering
Let's start with radical lowering. It's easy to take the suspension out of its optimal operating range, which means the tires aren't level with the road during braking and cornering. Do we need to say that this hurts grip? Also, an over-lowered suspension will likely toe in or out as the wheels move over bumps and during cornering. This is called bump-steer. If bump-steer happens in the rear, it feels like you're driving a hook-and-ladder fire truck with an uncooperative trailer driver. In the front, it feels as if the steering has a mind of its own.


Even worse is when the over-lowered suspension hits the limit of its travel during a hard corner. The suspension literally bangs into its bump stop. The spring rate at that corner goes toward infinity and the grip goes toward zero. If this happens to the rear suspension in a hard corner, the car will snap sideways. If the front hits its bump stop, the car will take off on a tangent as if you were swinging a rock on a string and suddenly let go. Either way, it's totally unpredictable for the driver. One of the worst things for a driver is a suspension that just barely taps the bump-stops every now and then—the car acts like it's demonically possessed and the poor driver can't figure out why.

Show or Go?
Racers lower their cars to reduce the center of gravity, which can improve cornering. But then they raise suspension-mounting points and install completely redesigned components, so the suspension remains in its designed operating range. For the street, slammed suspensions are strictly for show, not go.

Total Package
If you're determined to lower your suspension, buy a complete kit from an established tuner. Talk to someone who's installed the package. Stiffening suspension springs or anti-roll bars (often incorrectly called sway bars) REDUCE grip on that end of the car. The correct technique is to use as soft a spring/bar package as will do the job.

source: http://www.automedia.com/The_Downlow_of_Ha...dsm20030601h3/1

This post has been edited by Loseeker: Aug 19 2009, 01:50 AM

Lowering cars even on "normal" vehicles are legitimate depending on drivers preferences and road condition either way.

You can easily see this in the difference between JDM spec cars and Export spec cars. JDM cars are a tad lower than Export spec in many cases, also their shocks and spings are usually harder, this is because their road conditions permit the use of such settings.

Better handling also means stability, which translates to safety at high speed, as you are less likely to lose grip, you're less likely to skid or lose traction. I had a Cefiro 3.0 Brougham at home that had the worst steering feel at a speed of 120 kmph, feedback was lousy and the car would pitch at the slight application of brakes at high speed, honestly if i were travelling on the highway and shit happen, that car would spin out. I'm quite sure if you were to give me the same car with a lower body, anti rolls and low profile semi slicks and strut bars that it would be far safer if anything were to happen.

emotional??

wow wat a great word to be use on me...

sit quietly??

of course i am, sitting here typing to u.. yeah man its quiet alright here..

if u are yet another :
http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/gen...drick-wong.html

then i'll be damn, another great wannabe in the making OR izzit already made?

mcm nk kena penumbuk je ni...

Done "haphazardly", let me emphasize that.

1) If you lower the car, you're generally expected to reallign the wheels and set the camber and caster correctly.

2) Most cars will not reach the bump stop even under suspension slams due to the progressive nature of modern springs.

3) As for the car taking off, that's what an anti-lift kit is for. You also have pillow ball mounts for that.

4) Most lowering doesn't come close to that limit



Don't bother about the contest, concentrate on the driver's comments on the handling.

THANK YOU.



I'm disappointed in you. I was expecting some sort of replies that's some what of emp23's standard, but after looking at your 2 dim witted replies, I've lost interest in you. pls sit with those losers ----->

Thanks.

Gud suspension kit do not act like dat if I m not mistaken, especially those expensive kit, the absorber r design 2 adapt wit da spring rate... Meaning better absorb n rebound rate... cuz 2 hard ur car tends 2 bounce off... while too soft n high, ur car tends 2 lean causing high body roll. Unlike those which actually cut their OEM springs... I think dats bullshit... Get a proper sport springs dat goes well wit da absober.

as 4 da wheels, set back da chamber angle correctly...

One of the set backs for lowered car in Malaysia is the bumps. I sort of like watch how every lowered car slooow down when it comes to bumps whereas normals cars just glide over it with ease. Sure it pick up speed after that but in a uphill run with say 3-4 bumps I sort of like

Doesn't look right.

Anyway just keep inputting your opinions. There are people who are for and against, makes it an interesting topic when it's heated up, lol.

Best Advice i can give : Don't pay peanuts for a suspension job, or you'll get peanuts.

Driving should be fun, i drive for a living and there's a lot of difference between just driving a car from point A to point B and actually driving it for the love of driving. Enjoy your drive, feel the car, know it's limits, how it reacts to changes and so on.

Especially those parking lot speed bumps... Luckily my car is not dat super low killing suspension... or else ended up tearing my bumpers apart

Aiya cincai ts la..he rich already then come look down peoples here..fcuk damn it..if you feel like you're rich enough and everything you see must qualified with your mood or your mind..

Ok enough,you're not belongs to anywhere..what point keep saying people?people earn their money and spend their money also..not yours right?then why what they have changed still need to get your permission?are you prime minister?even prime minister didn't bother this..you this sohai come from nowhere want to pretend as prime minister's father somemore?mind your business only la.

You earn you spend..why still want act like their father teaching them what to mod what not to mod?your attitude really..."insert some suit word"..even mentality also 3rd class..

If everybody attitude and their "mentality" is like you,no single accessories shop can continue to open..everybody is not gonna to buy things from there just because of what you've said so called "sedan car no matter what you've mod still the sedan car"..LOL..

If you still support your word..hmm..book the ticket and fly to dubai tomorrow,at least there more and more rich people...maybe some really have same mentality,mind,or attitude like yours...