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LittleLinnet
post Nov 11 2009, 11:25 PM

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i think the only little flaw would be the bottom of the motherboard there
if the header wire and sensor wire is sleeved/hidden then it would be totally perfect

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post Nov 12 2009, 07:47 AM

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keke my blocks still with clawhammer tongue.gif waiting for other parts and burn a huge hole in my pocket cry.gif

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post Nov 12 2009, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(LittleLinnet @ Nov 11 2009, 11:25 PM)
i think the only little flaw would be the bottom of the motherboard there
if the header wire and sensor wire is sleeved/hidden then it would be totally perfect
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Yup, me too it's bothering me these ugly wires. I have to get a dremel from reiben to cut a hole in the middle plate to hide all these wires. I think what is putting me off is just that I need to take the whole case apart to do that and I'm kind of lazy / don't have too much time on my hands at the moment. But it will come wink.gif
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post Nov 12 2009, 11:05 PM

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btw r4st4m4n, u using EK or BitsPower GPU block for ur hd5870?? does it come with rotaratory fittings??
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post Nov 13 2009, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(reiben05 @ Nov 12 2009, 11:05 PM)
btw r4st4m4n, u using EK or BitsPower GPU block for ur hd5870?? does it come with rotaratory fittings??
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It's an EK (FC5870, you can see the pictures of the block few posts earlier) and It doesn't come with any fitting, only 2 plugs. I am using D-tek high flow fitting ATM.
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post Nov 13 2009, 07:17 AM

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QUOTE(r4st4m4n @ Nov 13 2009, 12:00 AM)
It's an EK (FC5870, you can see the pictures of the block few posts earlier) and It doesn't come with any fitting, only 2 plugs. I am using D-tek high flow fitting ATM.
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hmmm im planning on getting a bitspower one, and i think it comes with 90/rotaratory fittings biggrin.gif
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post Nov 14 2009, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(reiben05 @ Nov 13 2009, 07:17 AM)
hmmm im planning on getting a bitspower one, and i think it comes with 90/rotaratory fittings biggrin.gif
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I would stay away from bitspower. Their design for the 5850/5870 block sucks:

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And the temps seems to be awful compared to the EK or Swiftech block:

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You can read the posts regarding bitspower block starting from there: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpo...7&postcount=395

That's only one user's opinion though, so it may not be true for everybody, but still the internal of the block looks poorly designed ...

You can check how performs the other block few pages earlier in the same thread.

This post has been edited by r4st4m4n: Nov 14 2009, 02:22 PM
rudeCAravan
post Nov 15 2009, 10:12 AM

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boss...mind if asking??? at the page where u put the pic of wc gear that u just bought,,,,,,its the tube sir...making me wondering.....if im going for custom made wc setup,,, u know...there is one kind of tube where it has white stripes...like the one goes to your cooking gas cylinder...can i use that?
kevink82
post Nov 15 2009, 10:23 AM

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i think it is best if u use the tubings forumers are selling as they can bend better without kinks.
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post Nov 15 2009, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(rudeCAravan @ Nov 15 2009, 10:12 AM)
boss...mind if asking??? at the page where u put the pic of wc gear that u just bought,,,,,,its the tube sir...making me wondering.....if im going for custom made wc setup,,, u know...there is one kind of tube where it has white stripes...like the one goes to your cooking gas cylinder...can i use that?
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normally these your gas' tube is much thicker and not easily to bend. It's also not as soft as a proper wc tubing used for pc. Later, you'll find that it kinks and not worth at all.. Anyway, what is important to look on its size ratio either it's suit your barb size or not. smile.gif
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QUOTE(rudeCAravan @ Nov 15 2009, 10:12 AM)
boss...mind if asking??? at the page where u put the pic of wc gear that u just bought,,,,,,its the tube sir...making me wondering.....if im going for custom made wc setup,,, u know...there is one kind of tube where it has white stripes...like the one goes to your cooking gas cylinder...can i use that?
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QUOTE(kevink82 @ Nov 15 2009, 10:23 AM)
i think it is best if u use the tubings forumers are selling as they can bend better without kinks.
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QUOTE(kInOzAwA @ Nov 15 2009, 10:33 AM)
normally these your gas' tube is much thicker and not easily to bend. It's also not as soft as a proper wc tubing used for pc. Later, you'll find that it kinks and not worth at all.. Anyway, what is important to look on its size ratio either it's suit your barb size or not.  smile.gif
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Yup, both are right. If you buy tubing made for WCing, it is much easier to route in your case and their diameter matches the standards used in WCing. They are also tested to make sure that they do not react with the liquid and therefore do not cause any chemical reaction with your block (corrosion, deposit, ...)l.

And frankly, the tube is the cheapest component in the loop. You can find Duralene tubing for RM 10 / foot and you generally needs not more than 8 feet for the loop depending of the case and how your route the tubing. So it is always better to pay a little extra compared to classic gardening hose, and to be sure your tubing won't affect the others expensive components like the blocks and pump. wink.gif
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post Nov 15 2009, 02:58 PM

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martin, i heard that you're suffered the algae issue inside your tubing when using a spritzer's distilled water. Is it has been resolved yet?
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post Nov 15 2009, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(kevink82 @ Nov 12 2009, 07:47 AM)
keke my blocks still with clawhammer tongue.gif waiting for other parts and burn a huge hole in my pocket  cry.gif
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o.O what block did u ordered??

QUOTE(r4st4m4n @ Nov 15 2009, 02:50 PM)
Yup, both are right. If you buy tubing made for WCing, it is much easier to route in your case and their diameter matches the standards used in WCing. They are also tested to make sure that they do not react with the liquid and therefore do not cause any chemical reaction with your block (corrosion, deposit, ...)l.

And frankly, the tube is the cheapest component in the loop. You can find Duralene tubing for RM 10 / foot and you generally needs not more than 8 feet for the loop depending of the case and how your route the tubing. So it is always better to pay a little extra compared to classic gardening hose, and to be sure your tubing won't affect the others expensive components like the blocks and pump. wink.gif
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lol, my uncle told me last time, he bought Tygon tubings from kedai aquarium.. rofl..
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QUOTE(kInOzAwA @ Nov 15 2009, 02:58 PM)
martin, i heard that you're suffered the algae issue inside your tubing when using a spritzer's distilled water. Is it has been resolved yet?
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Oh yeah, forgot to post new pix about that.

When I drained my loop for the EK block, I realized that I started to get AGAIN algae in my loop. It was only about 3 weeks since I cleaned my loop and this time I used the anti-algae that bryanyeo87 is selling (DraconisThermoX thinkgy) ... :/

So I changed again the tubing and this time I've put like 5 times the recommended usage (I think around 20+ drops in 1.5L vs the 3-4 drops in 1L recommended ). I am still using the spritzer distilled water but bought new 1.5L bottle. I'm not sure if it mattered but last time I used a 5L bottle (non opened) that I had for few months. Plus this time I made sure to bleed the loop correctly by shaking the case. Last time I didn't shake the case and I had some pockets of air coming out after 1-2 weeks so I had to open the res to top-up. This time I only had to top up the loop once after running the loop few hours and I should no have to open the res again to top up. I hope it will prevent any contamination.

So if my loop get contaminated again, I guess I'll buy some well-known anti-algae product like PT Nuke but I really hope that this time it will be okay ... unsure.gif


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post Nov 15 2009, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(r4st4m4n @ Nov 14 2009, 02:21 PM)
I would stay away from bitspower. Their design for the  5850/5870 block sucks:

user posted image
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And the temps seems to be awful compared to the EK or Swiftech block:

user posted image

You can read the posts regarding bitspower block starting from there: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpo...7&postcount=395

That's only one user's opinion though, so it may not be true for everybody, but still the internal of the block looks poorly designed ...

You can check how performs the other block few pages earlier in the same thread.
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hmm the distance from the core to the heatsink is thicker than the other blocks, and the interior design is a bit bad, thats what the people were commenting..but the bitspower ones look very nice =(.. especially the silver/black sparkled ones and they come free with 90" rotaratory fittings.. hmmm
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QUOTE(reiben05 @ Nov 15 2009, 09:03 PM)
hmm the distance from the core to the heatsink is thicker than the other blocks, and the interior design is a bit bad, thats what the people were commenting..but the bitspower ones look very nice =(.. especially the silver/black sparkled ones and they come free with 90" rotaratory fittings.. hmmm
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Agreed it does look nice smile.gif
I personally go for performance first and look in second, that's why I chose EKWB. But you may have other priority wink.gif

To be fair, the temperature are still better than the stock cooler, just not what we could expect from a WB.

EDIT: hmm wait, is he using a water chiller for the VGA ? From the picture, we can see a COOL IT window with a "chiller A" temp. If the water is chilled for the VGA too, then we can say the temperature are really bad ...

This post has been edited by r4st4m4n: Nov 15 2009, 10:05 PM
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post Nov 15 2009, 10:08 PM

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martin, if the EKWB's full WB performance-wise compared to your previous Swiftech MCW-60 GPU WB, how much the temps difference between each?
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QUOTE(kInOzAwA @ Nov 15 2009, 10:08 PM)
martin, if the EKWB's full WB performance-wise compared to your previous Swiftech MCW-60 GPU WB, how much the temps difference between each?
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I can't say as I haven't installed the MCW-60 on the HD 5870. I wanted too, but realized that it would be difficult to stick sinks on the smaller chip on the card. I didn't want to take any risk of overheating so I have waited to receive the full cover WB before to WCed the card.

You can probably expect better temp because you are not getting the heat from the other components, and also the MCW-60 ha better design for cooling (pin matrix) at the expense of more restriction. But these card do require good cooling on the mosfets, particularly when overclocking, and a few degrees less on the GPU generally don't get you a big difference in clocks. So I think overall the full cover WB is a better option. It also avoid the need for a fan blowing on the memory/mosfets.

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post Nov 15 2009, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(r4st4m4n @ Nov 15 2009, 10:02 PM)
Agreed it does look nice smile.gif
I personally go for performance first and look in second, that's why I chose EKWB. But you may have other priority wink.gif

To be fair, the temperature are still better than the stock cooler, just not what we could expect from a WB.

EDIT: hmm wait, is he using a water chiller for the VGA ? From the picture, we can see a COOL IT window with a "chiller A" temp. If the water is chilled for the VGA too, then we can say the temperature are really bad ...
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lol.. its CoolIt alrite sleep.gif"

whats a chiller o_O??
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QUOTE(reiben05 @ Nov 15 2009, 11:11 PM)
lol.. its CoolIt alrite sleep.gif"

whats a chiller o_O??
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=> Water chiller. He says in his post "[...]and my water stays at 20C [...]" + in his signature he has "Dual Freezone Elite" which are water chiller. So when taking into consideration that the water is at 20*C, the block is performing pretty badly. Meaning in Malaysia with a classic WC system, the block might perform just on par with the stock cooler ... :/

This post has been edited by r4st4m4n: Nov 16 2009, 12:07 AM

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