There are various zoom options on the Oppo. It can do it automatically if u select the right option. There is also a handy underscan option for those with TVs with undefeatable options.

Yes, I own the Oppo.

Sorry moomos, I believe this is not true. I think it is marketing gimmick.

How about the BD player makers that do not make displays (ie, Denon, Oppo), so in essence their do not have the optimal picture quality.

There are some advantages but it is not in terms of PQ...

Just some updates to those who were looking for this trait in a BD player.

The latest Beta firmware for the Oppo BD-83 has DLNA capability....It also has the ability to shift subtitles for those using a projector...

As I said earlier, if u r looking for a BD only player, u cld get the BD60.

If u need the other stuff, then look at the Oppo. The one very positive thing is the technical team keeps working on the firmware and improving stuff. The other manufacturers release new stuff yearly and obsolete the older BD players. That leaves no improvement on the older BD players.

Subtitle shifts for example are important with people with 2.35:1 projectors and for titles where the subtitles fall below the black area, ability to shift the subtitles are very important.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jan 1 2010, 05:57 PM

True. No upscale beyond 1080p since it is not necessary.

Also I don't think Oppo is being recommended here frequently, it is however recommended in the US quite frequently.

A BD60 is sufficient...I was one of the dumb ones who got this. But honestly, I'm quite happy with it. There are benefits, I especially like the fact that the technical team continues to work on improvements and listens to public feedback on enhancements.

But then again as I was a Early Adopter it has its benefits....

BTW, I am also a Beta Tester for a stand alone unit (not from Oppo but the NDA does not allow me to say more for now) that is used to correct greyscale, gamma and has a full CMS... Pretty neat stuff... but then I'm not sure how much u weigh these kinds of stuff.

Edit: I take that back...I would recommend a PS3 instead of a BD60. The BD60 has enhancers on by default. The PS3 is a more neutral BD player.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jan 1 2010, 10:21 PM

Yeah, I'm impressed with this "box". It has no player functions. I think this would be a great addition to the UHP projectors/displays without a CMS. Also we are expecting them to implement a simple way to get the colour points on target. Maybe the next time I come down to KL u can check it out.

Supposed to be pretty good. Works as advertised, better than the BD60/Sony 360 at DVD playback if it matters.

Known to need less firmware updates for BD authoring changes.

Not many companies are known to have a full 3D CMS. For projectors, even the famed JVC had to make some firmware updates to make theirs work. However, they have fixed it. JVC and Panasonic have workable CMS. For LCD/plasma I think Sammy has the best implementation.

BTW, I need to spend some time comparing the Oppo to the PS3 fat. I seem to be seeing some subtle differences on the bigger screen. When I compared using the 42" screen, I saw nothing.

Again, could be just paranoia.

A shoot out in Spore on a large 100" screen done by a couple of people also claim there are differences between players albeit small but noticeable.

I think ar188 would be interested in something like this as he like me believes that there shd be no differences when viewing 1080p/24. However, it could be just some processing being applied.

Some units are very neutral. Some have processing that cannot be defeated.

Looks like Sony upped the ante for 2010. Their new BD sets will offer SACD playback!

Maybe that will become defacto in the new BD players?

Good for the consumer. I'm pretty sure the S370 will be priced very competitively and we shd be able to get everything for a much cheaper price.

Sony releases 2010 BD players with SACD support

If you are seeing grain or noisy in only certain areas, it could be from the display. Plasma displays use PWM for the technology. Depending on the brand, ie, Panny noise in the dark areas, Pioneer noise in the high contrast colours, you can see grain.

ar188,

I believe they make that distinction for owners that want to use this to project to a large screen using DVD instead of BD. Without a proper video processing chip (they are using SOC - Mediatek), they cannot guarantee proper scaling and deinterlacing on a large screen. However, if paired with a AVR that has a Reon/ABT than there is no necessity as the job can be handled by the AVR. This addresses the group that already has good AVRs with proper chips and only need a transport that does the stuff!

For BD I think this is more than enuf, with SACD and DVD-A to boot. DLNA is not supported at the moment, but my bet is it will be soon with firmware upgrades

I think the price has more or less reached levels that are ok for u. Get one, pair it with a proper AVR if u wanna project and ur good to go!

Only thing is tax and shipping will cause it to pass ur threshold.

Kudos to Oppo!

I think there are some areas where there are differences. The 83 had a dedicated stereo out utilizing different DACs. The 80 does not. It utilizes the same DACs as the 7.1 output. Also I believe there are differences in power supply for the analogue section. Of course the ABT is some of it. The other parts are the IR option. Once we see a teardown of the differences we can be sure. The normal 83 had dedicated Cirrus Logic DACs for the analogue outs. The SE had the ESS DACs. These things add up.

I think for those who purely need a HDMI option and have a good AVR that has a good video processing chip or do not need the upscaling option for DVD, the 80 is more than enuf. For those who want to use this unit to have a decent dedicated stereo out and the upscaling options of the ABT might be better off with the 83.

I am familiar with the Mediatek SOC, IMHO, its no where near the capabilities of the ABT.

Also I wish they could have priced it lower and maybe removing the 7.1 analogue for the pure HDMI people, that would mean much cheaper as the power supply would be simplified, the DACs reduced etc. I don't think they want to compete with the entry level Pannys, Sonys else I think removing those options could make it below USD200.

I think a lot of people were hoping for them to keep the ABT and remove the analogues to at least use the ABT however, I don't think Oppo would want to kill the sales of the 83.

The hardware mod will be ready for the BD80 by the 1st week of February...

Moving from source direct and letting the 4310 do the video processing shd be just fine. They are very similar but the implementation is slightly different. U're good to go. Just wait for someone to confirm that the hardware mod is working fine and u shd be able to get one.

The BDP-80 will not ship with the 2 calibration discs. Spears and Munsil HD Benchmark (USD25) and the AIX Audio Calibration Disc and Sampler (USD25) are only free with the BDP-83.

Before someone comes abashing that those discs are hogwash and unneccessary, its still cost.

The BDP-80 has a Source Direct mode, which in my opinion is the most important aspect for those only looking for a transport to pair with the processor in ur high end AVR or a standalone VP. This is important. So far, the lower end Panny's, JVC and Sammys do not have them. The Pioneer has the Source Direct mode, but then again, the Pioneer has also been labelled as too expensive by quite a few people.

IMHO, if u can afford it, even if u do get a basic player, get urself the Spears and Munsil disc, its pretty good. Of course, if u know people who can give u the .iso free, there is nothing to say anymore on the matter. The AIX is good to have, but the lesser importance of the 2.

I believe source direct is primarily video. Normally used in association with a Video Processor. It essentially bypasses all video circuitry in the player and sends out an unmolested picture.

Audio, if set to bitstream is already source direct.

Recently had the chance to play around with the Philips BD3000. I give it the thumbs up, decently fast, seems to have some options for tweaking. I will spend more time with it to check the other capabilities next week and will give an in depth review. At the price that my friend got it for, its a very good buy.

He bought at RM470 I believe and they threw in a Giraffe HDMI cable, not bad... PM skyheart.

I think u can easily sell of the Oppo if u want. Don't worry abt it, put the Oppo for sale and go for the Sony if 3D is ur thing.

However, there are plus points to going Oppo.