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 AS1M, ASM, ASW, ASB V2, PNB fund

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post Sep 23 2010, 02:26 PM

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ASM 31.3.2010 ---->6.30%
ASW 31.8.2010----->6.35%
AS1M 30.9.2010---->6.38%

I thought of some correlation between them and thus now the ranking is :-

The best AS1M
Second ASW
Third ASM


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post Sep 28 2010, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Sep 27 2010, 06:42 PM)
not really, ASD dividend is less than AS1M for this year
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How is the ASD divdend for year ended 30.6.2010 ?
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post Sep 28 2010, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Sep 28 2010, 10:10 AM)
6.35%
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Thanks a lot!

ASM 31.3.2010 6.30%
ASD 30.6.2010 6.35%
ASW 31.8.2010 6.35%
AS1M 30.9.2010 6.38%
ASB 31.12.2010 ?.??% + bonus % whistling.gif
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post Sep 29 2010, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 29 2010, 07:35 AM)
Hi, does any Bumi do what I say as in the below posting ?

Miles, good explanations there.

Hmm, looks like it's a good way to place cash inside PNB Funds as Emergency Funds. Good liquidity, and good dividend for the Fixed Price Funds. Can withdraw for, say, medical emergencies.

Then, for Daily Expenses - another creative way. Meaning : a Fixed Price Fund unitholder will only need to travel to any bank to selloff some units at every month-end, and use the money for the rest of the month. Then comes another month-end, do the same thing again.

The calculation must be good - the total units sold away, being equal to the total amount withdrawn for monthly expenses; -> when totalled up for the whole year must be equal to the total amount of divdend earned in the previous year to keep the principal constant, and therefore, be able to generate the same "expenses amount" again for the following year.

One must be careful not to withdraw more than what one earns as dividend at the preceding year.

In this way, so long as the dividend yield remains constant year in and year out, there will be income earned consistently for spending.

Have I missed anything ?
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If your sales your units away, your will lose the power of compounding unless it is in urgent conditions. One must be beware that your capital is also depreciating in value over time! However, PNB's fixed price funds are still considered as one of the best fund/trust fund in our country.

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post Sep 29 2010, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(wongpeter @ Sep 29 2010, 10:25 AM)
Anyone here can sell me RM1 of as1m and what is the procedure?
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Should be RM 100 if I m not mistaken. wink.gif
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post Oct 1 2010, 08:53 AM

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I got one question. Is it possible that the par value @ RM 1.00 per unit will fall in value below RM 1.00 since it is non guarantee fund? As far as I know the fund is know as fixed price fund. Sorry for repeating if some forumers have raised up this question before.
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QUOTE(almeizer @ Oct 1 2010, 09:08 AM)
The non guarantee is refer to the return (dividend) which is not guarantee. For the fund price is fixed as u said.
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Indeed, I m still quite confuse with the mechanism operation of " Fixed Price Fund"!

Let say, if unexpected bad economic persist for many years and the funds incurr a substantial losses in investments. Then, most investor will start to sell-off the funds. When this occur is it possible that PNB will buy back below RM1.00 as PNB has insufficient fund available even it sell all the investment in hand ?


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post Oct 11 2010, 11:32 AM

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Hi,

I m going to sell off ASW RM 10,000
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post Oct 11 2010, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 11 2010, 12:11 PM)
What is your reason for selling please if you can share ?
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Restructuring in investment portfolio, but with risk involved.

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post Oct 21 2010, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Oct 20 2010, 10:37 PM)
Received black and white from PNB, ASW2020 for BUMI also fully subcribed!!
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If it is the case....then AS1M's bumi portion will not open to non bumi in the near future. ohmy.gif
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post Oct 22 2010, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 22 2010, 01:23 PM)
At the first sign that there is a reduction in dividend, then it is time to send our money out of the country.

Things are getting dangerous. Perhaps the party days are coming to an end.
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Take it easy. By the time come, you had already earned satisfactory return from them. BN will not let the funds collapse! cool.gif
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post Nov 2 2010, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Nov 1 2010, 11:37 AM)
Updates on what happened in Facebook recently...

There are around 210,000 facebook members, votes against Government/PNB decision to build the 100 storey skyscapper in Stadium Negara, the reason is PNB investors are worried that their funds could be misused and mismanaged, after all PNB has no experience in Construction/ real estate developement. When reporters questioned PM Najib on the 210,000 votes, he replied the reporters that he has 460,000 suppoertes in his facebook page, so conclude that those who support the 100 storey highrise is more than those who against it, so what do you think?

The thing is if the 100 storey building Wawasan Merdeka received 470,000 against votes, more than what our PM received, will PM pull back the developement plan??

What do u think as a PNB investor? shd they focus on the current investment portfolio or diversify to the property development?

PNB has clarified they do not use the fund from investors, they have special funds to build it, but till now PNB do not show us how they get the RM5bil fund, and how it will not affect the investors should the project fail??? what is your opinion?

To read more : http://malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/newsco...eaches-sky-high

http://www.facebook.com/?flyingspaghettimo...egaTower?v=info
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If the project is on, my opinion is dividend might fall below 6.30% for the subsequences years..... blink.gif
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post Dec 6 2010, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 5 2010, 07:03 PM)
This time PNB could declare a much better dividend for the ASB just to make the Bumiputera's happy and make them vote for BN in the coming elections.
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poor chinese.....Indian..... cry.gif
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post Dec 9 2010, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 9 2010, 06:30 AM)
Did they specify the NAV of the fund ? More than or less than RM1?

ASB and ASW/ASM/AS1M are similar type of funds but ASB has consistently given better returns, wonder what is the reason?
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The answer is as follow:-

Grade A manager managed ASB
Grade B manager managed ASW
Grade C manager managed ASM/AS1M

If Grade B manager outperform the Grade A manager in a particular year, then Grade B upgrade to Grade A manager and manage ASB. Unperformed Grade A manager will promote to General Manager!

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post Dec 12 2010, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 9 2010, 05:12 PM)
They fixed the selling price at RM1/unit but NAV cannot be fixed as it fluctuate with the market prices.
If they dont disclose it in their annual report then they are not being transparent.
It could be less or more than RM1 depending on the fund manager ability.
From 4-Aug-2009 to 30-sep-2010 KLCI moved from 1180 to 1463, a 24% gain.
AS1M only returns 6.38/13.87 = 5.5%.
AS1M invested 2/3 on equity & 1/3 on money market.
If AS1M perform as well as the KLCI, its NAV should be at least RM1.10.
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I got one question, why PNB's fund are regard as one of best fund in term of dividend policy, but are the least transparent in their Annual Report:

No Net Asset Value (NAV)
No Net Tangible Asset value(NTA)
No cost price per share
No current market price per share
No number of quantity of share purchase hold
No selling price per share for the investment sold
No balance sheet

Percentage of cost and market price stated in the account are quite confusing........doubt the validity of the account rclxub.gif

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post Dec 14 2010, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(Invader Zim @ Dec 14 2010, 06:56 PM)
will the gov question me if i bank in a large sum of money into asb in 1 transaction?
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Inland Revenue Board (IRB) will run after you after few years....be prepared for that.
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QUOTE(beautyfreakkl @ Dec 19 2010, 01:06 AM)
hello. this is not a racist question. but i'm just wondering. they always say that all these are for bumi's or stuff like that. so would it be wise to invest in this? high returns?
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PNB's fixed price fund (ASB, ASW, ASM, AS1M) is one of the best fund in the world with annual compounding interest of around 6.20% to 9% consistently payout annually and the fund price always maintain at RM 1.00, even the KLSE collapse. I m serious!
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 28 2011, 09:36 AM)

Added on May 28, 2011, 9:45 am

Yes you are right.

There are many cash rich companies still need to find some investment instruments to park their money.

They would not simply expand just because they are cash rich. Some are waiting for bad times to buy some good assets. Meanwhile, money has to be parked somewhere.

Sometimes could be problematic when banks ( got one time ) refuse to accept large deposits.
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I thought ASB, ASM, etc are for personal not for corporate ?
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QUOTE(groggy @ Jul 4 2011, 12:29 PM)
How? Don't say things based on hearsay.
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Based on common sense... ohmy.gif .




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post Jul 18 2011, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Jul 17 2011, 09:09 PM)
Yape, I agree with you.. Given the return is actually below the effective gross rate, it is logical that they will continue to be tax exempted over the long term.

Added again that, in my opinion, the government is the largest stakeholder for PNB.. The government will ensure those stakeholders (majority of investors) are well taken care of in terms of the taxation..
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Are u sure the one highlighted in red?

If so, it also means that PNB is belong to gomen and the gomen has the greatest power to determine where the money should invest.

In other words, PNB is not an independent party to determine the best portfolio in its investment. No?

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