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 AS1M, ASM, ASW, ASB V2, PNB fund

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soul2soul
post Oct 1 2010, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(silentsurfer @ Oct 1 2010, 03:07 PM)
wow, you're very lucky...... thumbup.gif

i guess banks (as agents) dont really care about money going into these pnb funds.....i'm sure if i tell them i want to deposit money with the bank, they'll be more than glad to help  tongue.gif
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And they will push for their own "unit trusts" and "investment linked FD". bleh..
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post Oct 5 2010, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 5 2010, 11:49 AM)
New to this forum. Have just updated my AS1M account book. Turn out the effective return per annum is only 4.6% (ie. 6.38% over 13.87 months ie 5/8/09 to 30/9/10) Worst than sukuk which gives 5%. KLSE move more during the same period.
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Private mutual fund people detected.

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post Oct 5 2010, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 5 2010, 12:30 PM)
Already mentioned in my first post that I have updated my account.
After checking with my own calculation of using 6.38%/year I realize it didnt tally with the updated figures, so I call up ASNB and they show me this calculation method and now it tallies.
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ammended. I stand correctly.

MGM has highlighted an important point.

This post has been edited by soul2soul: Oct 5 2010, 01:02 PM
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post Oct 5 2010, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 5 2010, 12:43 PM)
According to them since this is a new fund ,any investment in august2009 also entitle the distribution based on the prorata basis.
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Try omit the month of august and recalculate. Do you get the 6.38%?


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post Oct 5 2010, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 5 2010, 12:47 PM)
the figure of 13.87 was given by ASNB when I call them, and it tallies with the updated figure in my account book. Btw you are not getting 6.38%, you actually get 6.38sen for distribution for the period of 13.87 months. So it works out to be 5.52% per annum return.
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hmm... true also. Thanks for highlighting.

Just realize tahun kewangan berakhir 30 september 2010. Which means.. we only paid 6.38% for 13 months = 5.88% per annum.

Let's see how this fund perform next year.

Sniff does this mean PNB fund is getting worse in their performance??

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post Oct 6 2010, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 6 2010, 09:38 AM)
Only those who invested from 5/8/09 to 30/9/10 will get the full 6.38sen.

formula is (6.38*months-invested/13.87)

for 30/9/09 to 30/9/10 ie 12 months dividen receive is 5.52sen
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Ouch... but still higher than FD lo... for that we have reason to be happy right? hey, i apologize for crude remarks earlier. Sorry ah

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post Oct 6 2010, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 6 2010, 11:47 AM)


Did you invested in AS1M?
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Yea I did, because I have very low risk appetite.
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post Oct 6 2010, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 6 2010, 02:05 PM)

Already in retirement?
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Not yet. Any recommendation? I put inside FD and PNB funds only....
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post Oct 6 2010, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 6 2010, 04:52 PM)
Do not dare to recommend lah, lest you accuse me of being a mutual fund
HA HA got you!!!!

Due to the initial negative perception and the bad take up rate of AS1M, I manage to dump in all my matured FD into it, which I deduced should be a better investment than FD. So far so good. Dare not touch other investment due to the uncertainty in the world economy. Waiting to channel my ASNB funds into equity in the right time. Currently KLSE is on the high side. Hope that the ASNB funds are safe as I am putting all my eggs in the same basket.
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yea me too.

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post Dec 8 2010, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Dec 7 2010, 08:29 PM)
AS1M annual report is out, downloadable at ASNB website.

Surprise to see that there are 416 investors holding more than 500,000 unit of AS1M, this group of investors holding total 519,350,588 units altogether. This translate into each investor in this group (those who hold >500units) averagely holding RM1.25million unit. Bravo !!  rclxms.gif  notworthy.gif  thumbup.gif
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The annual report looks very transparent. I still don't understand why there are still people who suspect this is a Ponzi scheme?

The yuran is quite high actually - 13.3% (40 million out of 300 million of profit).

I don't think the private fund managers can match PNB in their dividends.
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post Dec 25 2010, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(Robin Liew @ Dec 25 2010, 08:45 AM)
a quote at bebas hutang website
seems not so good ahh
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See how lor for another one year, if not perform can always jual balik to PNB.
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post Dec 30 2010, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(wu ming @ Dec 30 2010, 09:48 AM)
Even my father suspect something amiss. How can 1 investment instrument tool can help benefit a certain race so much?

No need to monitor just dump in money there. That is why he said "the government is helping their people so much, too much".
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Well, for one thing, most bumis treat ASB like a bank account. They don't save a lot. Chances are that they will withdraw more money than deposit it.

Non-bumis treat ASx as their saving deposit. They save a lot, and they are unlikely to withdraw it.

Maybe the amount of ASB units don't increase so much on annualized basis as compared to ASW2020 and AS1M. Hence, there will be difference in the investment return , as they are shared by the pool of investors calculated as units held by investors.

Make sense?
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post Dec 31 2010, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 31 2010, 10:02 AM)
To Achieve the 30% thingy the govt has to give favoritism/tongkat to ASB holders.

ASB probably get
1.the best and most experience fund manager
2.first choice in GLC IPO, especially the 30% thingy
3.subsidised fund management fee
4.Major stake and thus controlling power in invested companies
5........

This is just my guesses.

I attended one of the ASN talk recently and i asked them this same question.

The answer was the fund is older and bigger.

I think the reasonĀ  AS1M was lower than the rest fixed price fund was that it is new.
The chinese portion of the fund was only fully taken up in may2010.
May be subsequent years it will match the performance of ASW and ASM but will never top ASB.

But then are there any other fixed price fund that consistently give >6% return?

"No fish, prawn will do"
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haha , that one very hokkien phrase. PNB is a reputable organisation. I somehow feel all the bad-mouthing for PNB has their origin in jealousy,hearsay, speculation rather than facts. I checked the credentials of their management - they are all very qualified people.

IN government and PNB I trust. Oh yea, for those of you who think so badly of PNB, just withdraw all your units la and let other people buy ok?

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post Dec 31 2010, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Dec 31 2010, 12:02 PM)
I am definatley not the jeoulos, and hearsay ppl that u mentioned, if u see my earlier post, all my findings are based on the facts and statistics from ASNB's annual report.

What i have highlighted was that if ASB is proven the best managed fund by PNB, as a rational investment company, they shd maximize the fund return for their investors for other funds, so if ASB formula is proven to be the best, the fund manager shd try to consider to copy the similar porfolio for other funds.

For AS1M return, we can claim that it is new, so 50% less return compared to ASB is "acceptable". But then ASW has been launched since 1996 (15 years ago), and the return is still consistantly 35% lower than ASB. This is worth for us to think!! As investors who invest in the same nature of funds with fixed priced, and similar portfolio such as ASB vs ASW, we can accept the return variance/difference of 5-10%, but not the difference of 35%-50%.

Once again, i want to emphasize that i am not saying this because i am jeolous, i have both ASB and ASW.
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Hey friend the post not meant for u la. You are good in pointing out certain things in pnb funds. I noticed they are those people who simply accuse pnb being a ponzi scheme or worse some conspiracy to rob the non bumis. They are all just jealous of pnbs success
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post Feb 18 2011, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Feb 17 2011, 11:39 PM)
yeah loh....so many newbies want spoon fed info without checking at the www.asnb.com.my or refer to the earlier posts, keep on asking the same questions..and reduce the quality of the forum...
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why don't we just put on on the first page of this thread of essentials/ latest updates of PNB funds? That way it will be easy for newcomers to read.

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post Mar 2 2011, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Robin Liew @ Feb 24 2011, 03:50 PM)
6%  or above 5% should be good enufff

100k can get rm500pm
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I agree. Not need to do anything goyang kaki got RM500 per month , haiya so good la our gomen. Must vote BN next GE.
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post Apr 19 2011, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(neobita @ Apr 19 2011, 02:56 PM)
400K times 8% to 9% = 32K to 36K per annum... = Gile kayer...  sleep.gif
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cry.gif I wish I can have that kind of money and return of investment. cry.gif
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post Jun 16 2011, 11:44 AM

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Typically, UT managers will show me their best performing fund to me with impressive 5 year return rate figure. They won't show you the underperforming ones. They will also tell you about all the success stories but won't tell you the failed funds.


Added on June 16, 2011, 11:51 am
QUOTE(purplebuilder @ Jun 15 2011, 11:29 PM)
I'm happy that i have queue up early in the morning, and have bought some ASM fund...at least if my business fail i still have this fund to provide me some $$...BTW although this fund might not be perfect but it helps alot in making extra $$
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yea true. During the initial stage of AS1M offer, I adviced my aging parents to put some of their money into it. They were reluctant at first but now they are asking me "when is the next opening?" biggrin.gif

They invested in stock market and lost 50k of their savings. At least with PNB, their money is relatively secure and it can give them some decent retirement income. I am glad I talked them into lining up at post office at 6.30 am in the morning 2 years ago.

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