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 AS1M, ASM, ASW, ASB V2, PNB fund

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Hansel
post Jan 31 2011, 12:17 PM

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Yes, I have always said to enlarge our scope, my friends,... look beyond the rainbow and the horizon. PNB is not the only vehicle in this world.

With the Internet, you have great opportunities to learn, to think and to decide what to do.

The per month payout is the declared yield divided by twelve. You get your payout every month, normally at middle of the month. So you get your money faster, and you can pour the money back into the market faster if you wished to.

Some of these Income Trusts have a program called the DRIP - Dividend Reinvestment Program, meaning before the dividend is paid out, it will be ocnverted into units and added into your current holdings, but I think Public Mutual has had this program in Msia for quite sometime, so nothing special.

You can opt to receive cash payout or participate in the DRIP.
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post Feb 1 2011, 02:30 PM

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Wishing all here who celebrate - A Happy & Prosperous Year of The Rabbit.
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post Feb 13 2011, 10:28 PM

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My friends : look beyond the horizon. Do not limit yourselves to PNB Funds only.
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post Feb 24 2011, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Robin Liew @ Feb 24 2011, 01:08 PM)
as1m malay quota also fully subsribed?

when will they release the indian quota for as1m to chinese???

indians in this country relly no money haa? lucky velu stepped down else it would get worse
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We always compare, or SHOULD compare quota allocation against percentage of population. Then if this is fulfilled nicely, we sell. If the take-up rate is not completed successfully within a certain period of time (which should be measured against against a Boolean Algebra method if periodic probability, just as in train movements), then it should be opened-up to maximise the benefits for everybody.

This is the proper way in Public Administration.

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post Feb 25 2011, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Robin Liew @ Feb 25 2011, 12:52 PM)
asb no more

only as1m indian n bumi got

i am waiting for them to open the quota
dump in 500k into it
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There will be a limit imposed on the number of units you can buy. Thank you for yours and Cheah's replies.
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post Apr 12 2011, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 11 2011, 11:23 PM)
Berumur 18 tahun ke atas
Bumiputera beragama Islam dan bukan Islam
Bukan Bumiputera beragama Islam
Tidak muflis
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To me, it's a gimmick lar, just RM500.00 per investor only biggrin.gif

And a family of four with both the children above 18 year-old can only invest RM2000 ! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Or have I understood wrongly ?
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post May 24 2011, 12:47 PM

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Guys, why ask all these questions ? If I'm a Bumi, I will just top-up all I am allowed to !

Some Bumi businessmen friends of mine just dump in as much as they can, but I heard in order to do this, they need to have a good relationship with the banks or PNB.
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post May 25 2011, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(hyzam1212 @ May 24 2011, 02:55 PM)
You cant compare us with your businessman frens who have a lot of money to be dump to anywhere they can. We're here to share some info on our hard-earned money and most of us is not a businessman. If you got a lot of money better play the stock market

If you have a lot of money you can dump based on what i heard close to 400k but it will take some letter writing and submission, interview, showing proof of your assets or something like that to PNB. But all depends on the quota of course, not sure if you have inside cable cool2.gif
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To your first paragraph, even businessmen think about diversification, and certainly ASB remains as a very good vehicle for Fixed Income portion of a businessman's portfolio. The reasons for this are pretty obvious. Yes, stocks (or equities) are good too, but so are properties, currencies, etc.

To your second paragraph, thank you. Never knew about this earlier.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ May 24 2011, 03:22 PM)
trust me, if they are the true blue businessman they will not keep the money in ASB. 7%+1% is nothing to a businessman.
A retired businessman, maybe...
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Depending on your definition of : true-blue businessman.

Read my posting about diversification and the Fixed Income portion in my previous reply !

If one is saying a 'true-blue businessman' does not treasure a Fixed Income vehicle like the ASB, then I believed he does not believe in theories of Financial management, which I do. I am a businessman myself, some of my money in business activities, other in many other instruments.
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post May 28 2011, 04:19 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ May 25 2011, 07:22 PM)
FYI, ASB (or any fixed price fund of ASNB) is not a fixed income fund or vehicle, it just pays dividend every year. 90% of the funds investing in equity, so it is considered an equity funds.

My defination of businessman is different level than yours, I don't think tan Sri teh hongpiow, or tan Sri Vincent tan will invest in any asnb funds. They are the true blue bizman in my definition.

Those selling Nasi lemak or kacang Putih on the street is not the true blue bizman by my definition.
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ASB is an equity fund, however, the way it has been paying-out its dividend every year makes it 'qualified' to go under the Fixed Income section of one's financial portfolio. True - if we are looking at the underlyings, they're still equities. But a portfolio can have an instrument based on the payout performance, and not only based on the underlyings.

Agree that we have different defs for : businessmen. I don't know Teh Hong Piow and Vincent Tan personally, so I will not comment or 'think' about their portfolios. On a factual basis, I know PERSONALLY, Peter Lim in Singapore and his people - they all have a portion of their portfolios under Fixed Income, earning a low but safe yield of 7 to 10%.

All men involved in business are businessmen, and they contribute to society by capitalistic means, even the small food stallholders.
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post May 29 2011, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(firee818 @ May 28 2011, 01:43 PM)
I thought ASB, ASM, etc are for personal not for corporate ?
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What Sky pointed out was a reinforcement of the fact that people (incl businessmen) and corporates do park money aside to wait for better times, or to fulfill their asset-allocation models, or for whatever reasons at all, and not to pour everything into the market all the time.

Of course, different instruments are used by the different entities, and you are right - PNB is for individuals only.

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post May 29 2011, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ May 29 2011, 05:52 PM)
There is no way that ASB could be deemed or qualified for a fixed income catagory, if u r financial savvy, u will know what i meant. Fixed income/Bond have the following criteria.
a) the face value could be sold under discount value, or at premium value.
b) it pay out fixed dividend @ agreed coupon rates, say 5% or 10%, and the issuers have the obligation to pay the periodical dividend, and principal + dividend at the end of bond's maturity.
c) bond/fixed income are allowed to be traded in the secondary market, so the bond price are fluctuate and negative correlated to the interest rate. for the case of bond mutual funds, fund price fluctuate as well, it could be priced at RM0.90 now and RM1.1 a year after.

i dont see ASB fit with the ANY of the above criterias.
a) ASB do not pay any fixed or guaranteed any % of dividend payout. It is paid out on the stock performance basis, in the range of 7-11%. There is no obligation in the ASB prospectus that they MUST declare dividend, unlike Bond/fixed income which need to pay out by hook or by crook, unless goes bankrupt.
b) ASB price do not fluctuates unlike bond price or fixed income funds
c) fixed income/bond have maturity dates and longer term bond carry higher risk and pay higher dividend.

PBB, BAT, Amway pays good dividend every year without fails, it doesnt meant that they are under fixed income catagory, they are still stock/equity.


Added on May 29, 2011, 5:08 pm

i do not say that food stall do not contribute to the society, even a street sweeper/cleaner also contribute to the society. What i want to distinguish is what is a true blue businessman. If u own a RM2 paid up capital company doesnt means u r a "real" businessman.

The example that i quoted, nasi lemak seller, they are self-employed, and not true blue businessman. Read more books such as "Millionaire next door", Rich Dad Poor Dad, Cash Flow 4 Quadrants, u will find out what is the defination of bizman. To me, tb business owner is when u own a business, and u can go off from your business for 1 year travelling, and come back to your business and see your business is still growing. This is what i meant true blue businessman.

I do not know who is Peter Lim. but am sure all Malaysian know who is Tony Fenandez and Tan Sri THP.

Tan Sri is the founder and biggest individual shareholder of Public Bank, who wholly owned Public Mutual Berhad. PM also the biggest private fund managers in Malaysia, covering around 45% of the marketshare.  Since you claim yourself as businessman you shd have the business common sense to judge if Tan Sri will invest in ASB? i am sure that he is not for sure, as he is not a Bumiputera. For those funds that he qualifies, there will be a cap of investment for non bumi, when ASM/ASW increase their fund size they only allow 20K per individual, do u think Tan Sri will queue up personally @ 8am, in front of post office to bank in 20K in ASM? If he wants to diversify his portfolios, he has many ways.
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For the definitions of a Fixed Income - yes, I am aware of those components that would describe such an instrument, I too studied said subject being a component of my CFP Course earlier. In this thread, I am providing another opinion to it. If we are debating on book categorization, then okay....

No, Teh Hong Piow would not want to queue to buy just 20K worth of ASM. I do not know him personally, but if he has a component of his wealth in Fixed Income, then he will invest in such an instrument ( not necessarily ASB, which he is not entitled to buy anyway) which will return the same or more yield, and ask his nominee bank to buy for him, or instruct his private banker to structure and take up large units for him.

I mentioned the name of a businessman in Singapore that I know of personally, you can google his name if you want to. We have the same methods to invest into Fixed Income instruments.

I will leave it at that.
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post Jun 12 2011, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(Nepo @ Jun 12 2011, 08:07 AM)
Chinese queue up to buy ASM/ASW/ASIM, not because they are rich, it is because they have only limited opportunity for them to invest. These are their hard earn money. Chinese can wake up as early as 4.00am to do hawker business. They are one of most hardworking races in the world. But, sometimes, it give a wrong impression to other races that Chinese is rich so they need to queue up to buy the fund. I hope the other races can understand this situation. wink.gif
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I'm sorry too to say that : the Chinese then should put in MORE effort to know about other modes of investments and other instruments, and NOT to queue up at 4.30am in the morning to buy PNB funds.

This would be another way to look at things. Why depend solely on PNB only ? ...please wake up, the Chinese of Malaysia... mad.gif
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post Jul 17 2011, 04:32 PM

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Under Pg 26 of the ASM Laporan Tahunan berakhir 31 Mac 2011, there is a title : 7.Cukai. The following is written on the first paragraph :-

Unit Amanah telah diberikan pengecualian cukai daripada .....(etc), (etc)......... dari tahun taksiran 2006 hingga 2016.

Does the above mean that there will be taxes on dividends imposed from 2016 onwards, or will this 'pengecualian' be renewed on 2016 ?
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post Jul 17 2011, 05:58 PM

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Yeah, thought I'd point this out as I was reading-up on the Annual Report. Usually renewable - this would be good news by Cheah.

Has any of such PNB fund like this had its tax status been renewed in a similar way previously ?


Added on July 17, 2011, 6:01 pmI heard that for unitholders staying overseas, PNB wire-transfers the dividends to them at every financial year-end if instructions have been given.

Anybody heard of this before ?

This post has been edited by Hansel: Jul 17 2011, 06:01 PM
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post Jul 18 2011, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jul 17 2011, 08:52 PM)
PNB funds all these while are tax exempted, so if they pay 6.5%p.a, the effective gross rate is actually around 7%, if compare to market funds return.

In fact, mutual funds distribution shd not be taxed, as when the invested shares, say Sime Darby, Maybank declared their income, it has been taxed once, b4 distributing to the fund managers, so when the fund managers declare tax to the fund investors, it shd not be taxed again
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Cheah,.. agree with you.

That's why In Sgp, they have something called the first-tier tax, and the dividend dropping down into the hands of investors would be tax-free if the investors are individuals. But a small caveat here, I am not fully certain of this first-tier thing is solely related to taxation at corporate level,...

By the way, just wanted to confirm : it's a typo above when you said "...when the fund managers declare tax to...", and it should be : "...when the fund managers declare dividend to...". Am I right ?

What about the wire-transfer thing for unitholders staying overseas ? Any opinions ?
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post Aug 4 2011, 08:26 PM

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I, on the other hand, think there will be no special bonus, and the dividend % will be normal - Gov't needs funds for elections.
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post Aug 5 2011, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Aug 5 2011, 09:24 AM)
DOW dropped 4.3% / 512 points.  !!!!
My guess for AS1M 2011 dividend is 6.3% +- 0.5% becos of the turbulant days ahead and before the AS1M's financial yearend of 30Sept (wrong timing). Wonder what's going to happen to the UT and other riskier investments.
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No prob on that one. Our PNB has 'decoupled' from the world markets. Year-in-year-out, rain or shine - dividend yield stays put. That's the record till now. rclxms.gif

I have not seen of another investment in the world that 'equals this', barring all other factors remain similar.
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post Sep 23 2011, 03:30 PM

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Guys,.. remember the word, there is always a bubble in everything.

Look at the events around us, spread out your assets. Not everything in PNB.
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post Sep 23 2011, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Sep 23 2011, 11:57 PM)
But the problem is for the non-bumis we can't buy pnb funds anytime we like, as all the them have max out. So even times are bad, no funds are available.
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That's right - for the non-Bumis, they cannot just go in and out as they like. So they must stay put.

Judging from the write-up, we can now tell that 6.5% pa is THE MAX that AS1M will give fro the future. Well, knowing this will help us make decisions for our investment. At least we know this for sure.... rclxms.gif


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