There is no way that ASB could be deemed or qualified for a fixed income catagory, if u r financial savvy, u will know what i meant. Fixed income/Bond have the following criteria.
a) the face value could be sold under discount value, or at premium value.
b) it pay out fixed dividend @ agreed coupon rates, say 5% or 10%, and the issuers have the obligation to pay the periodical dividend, and principal + dividend at the end of bond's maturity.
c) bond/fixed income are allowed to be traded in the secondary market, so the bond price are fluctuate and negative correlated to the interest rate. for the case of bond mutual funds, fund price fluctuate as well, it could be priced at RM0.90 now and RM1.1 a year after.
i dont see ASB fit with the ANY of the above criterias.
a) ASB do not pay any fixed or guaranteed any % of dividend payout. It is paid out on the stock performance basis, in the range of 7-11%. There is no obligation in the ASB prospectus that they MUST declare dividend, unlike Bond/fixed income which need to pay out by hook or by crook, unless goes bankrupt.
b) ASB price do not fluctuates unlike bond price or fixed income funds
c) fixed income/bond have maturity dates and longer term bond carry higher risk and pay higher dividend.
PBB, BAT, Amway pays good dividend every year without fails, it doesnt meant that they are under fixed income catagory, they are still stock/equity.
Added on May 29, 2011, 5:08 pmi do not say that food stall do not contribute to the society, even a street sweeper/cleaner also contribute to the society. What i want to distinguish is what is a true blue businessman. If u own a RM2 paid up capital company doesnt means u r a "real" businessman.
The example that i quoted, nasi lemak seller, they are self-employed, and not true blue businessman. Read more books such as "Millionaire next door", Rich Dad Poor Dad, Cash Flow 4 Quadrants, u will find out what is the defination of bizman. To me, tb business owner is when u own a business, and u can go off from your business for 1 year travelling, and come back to your business and see your business is still growing. This is what i meant true blue businessman.
I do not know who is Peter Lim. but am sure all Malaysian know who is Tony Fenandez and Tan Sri THP.
Tan Sri is the founder and biggest individual shareholder of Public Bank, who wholly owned Public Mutual Berhad. PM also the biggest private fund managers in Malaysia, covering around 45% of the marketshare. Since you claim yourself as businessman you shd have the business common sense to judge if Tan Sri will invest in ASB? i am sure that he is not for sure, as he is not a Bumiputera. For those funds that he qualifies, there will be a cap of investment for non bumi, when ASM/ASW increase their fund size they only allow 20K per individual, do u think Tan Sri will queue up personally @ 8am, in front of post office to bank in 20K in ASM? If he wants to diversify his portfolios, he has many ways.
For the definitions of a Fixed Income - yes, I am aware of those components that would describe such an instrument, I too studied said subject being a component of my CFP Course earlier. In this thread, I am providing another opinion to it. If we are debating on book categorization, then okay....
No, Teh Hong Piow would not want to queue to buy just 20K worth of ASM. I do not know him personally, but if he has a component of his wealth in Fixed Income, then he will invest in such an instrument ( not necessarily ASB, which he is not entitled to buy anyway) which will return the same or more yield, and ask his nominee bank to buy for him, or instruct his private banker to structure and take up large units for him.
I mentioned the name of a businessman in Singapore that I know of personally, you can google his name if you want to. We have the same methods to invest into Fixed Income instruments.
I will leave it at that.