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post Oct 22 2010, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Oct 22 2010, 01:15 AM)
PNB won’t use money from investors or Govt
KUALA LUMPUR: Permodalan Nasional Berhad (PNB) will not use funds from unit trust investors or the Government to develop the Warisan Merdeka project which will incorporate a 100-storey building. Its chief executive officer and president Tan Sri Hamad Kama Piah Che Othman said PNB, was also a big holding company with interests in several listed companies like Sime Darby, UMW and Island & Peninsular, besides being a unit trust manager for various government funds.

“We have more than enough money to finance the entire RM5bil project on our own if need be,” he told a special briefing for media editors here yesterday. It was the first response from PNB following Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak’s Budget announcement on Friday of the Warisan Merdeka project which sparked off a debate on its necessity.

The integrated development project will be located within the enclave of Stadium Merdeka and Stadium Negara and comprise three phases to be fully completed by 2020. Hamad Kama Piah explained that PNB had purchased the 13ha plot from Danaharta Nasional Bhd for RM320mil in 2000 and the mixed development project was approved by the PNB board four years later. He said PNB had studied market trends before deciding to embark on the project, adding that construction of the 100-storey tower would begin sometime next year.

Sources : http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...0499&sec=nation


Added on October 22, 2010, 12:25 amMega tower will affect PNB unit trust holders, says Mahfuz
By Clara ChooiOctober 21, 2010

KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 21 — A Pakatan Rakyat (PR) backbencher told Parliament today that Permodalan Nasional Bhd (PNB) would likely have to scrimp on dividends paid out to its unit trust holders to fund the RM5 billion 100-storey Warisan Merdeka tower.

Mahfuz: Whether we want it to or not, it will involve money from these schemes and the value of returns of its investments which should be paid out as dividends to unit trust holders... this is their money. In his debate speech on Budget 2011, Datuk Mahfuz Omar (PAS-Pokok Sena) said dividend payments could be affected although PNB had claimed that money for the project would come from profits made through private investments.

“I would like to remind PNB that the total value of its unit trusts from Amanah Saham Nasional Bhd (ASNB), Amanah Saham Bumiputera, Amanah Saham 1 Malaysia and others, is RM115 billion. “Meaning that PNB’s profits is actually profits made from its investment of the RM115 billion,” he explained.

He added that it was “Whether we want it to or not, it will involve money from these schemes and the value of returns of its investments which should be paid out as dividends to unit trust holders... this is their money,” he said. Mahfuz told a press conference later that it was “unfair” to use public money to construct the 100-storey tower, which many have predicted would eventually turn into a white elephant.

The PAS MP added that it was redundant for the government to build the iconic tower with its sights set on turning Kuala Lumpur into a world-class city when even Naza TTDI, the property arm of Naza Group, had already expressed its intention to construct a similar tower, touted to be 100-storey high or more. Last December, it was reported that Naza TTDI would build an iconic tower on a 25ha site near the proposed Matrade Centre here.
However, the tower’s height was yet to be finalised and the group’s managing director SM Faliq SM Nasimuddin was quoted as saying that it would depend on the amount of investments it could secure.

“If they get the land, they will build it and this means we will have one tower already,” said Mahfuz. He pointed to the current property glut in the country and how Malaysia would have an excess of 115 million square feet of office space by the year 2014. “This is excluding the PNB tower and Naza’s tower. So now we have an excess of office space although demand has dropped significantly,” he noted. Mahfuz added that even Menara Citibank had lowered the rental rate for its office space from its original over RM7 for each square feet to between RM6 and RM6.50. “This lowering of rate shows that the demand has dropped so much that they were forced to do it,” he said.

Mahfuz also suggested to House earlier to form a special parliamentary committee to study the matter as well as to examine all proposals by the government for the construction of mega projects. “These mega projects should go through an approval process before they are started. If all committee members agree with the projects then they can be approved,” he said.

Sources : http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...rs-says-mahfuz/
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At the first sign that there is a reduction in dividend, then it is time to send our money out of the country.

Things are getting dangerous. Perhaps the party days are coming to an end.
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post Oct 22 2010, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(altism @ Oct 22 2010, 04:05 PM)
lol..then what should all PBN unit trusts holders do?
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Nothing much except to just stay alert and watch closely for every ann't.
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post Nov 2 2010, 10:53 AM

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To limit your risks, do not put anymore funds into PNB. Watch closely the dividend ann'ts from the beginning of next year, if they drop, then we know something is not right.

...frankly, I don't think PNB's assets (without unitholders' funds) are enough to act as collaterals for CIMB, if we are talking about 5Bil here. CIMB is majority-owned by foreigners, if there is a default, there will be no hesitation on the credit-recovery actions, including going after the unitholders' funds, but, I feel the dividend payouts will suffer first.

Yield-dropping is the FIRST sign of collapse !!!!!!!!!
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post Nov 2 2010, 11:11 AM

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Cyber, that makes it even more scary.
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post Nov 2 2010, 12:46 PM

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Guys, you need to be part of the gang before you can get the 'big handouts', ie not everybody can be the main cons and the sub-cons in the above projects. ..there is no free lunch for people like you and me.

Political parties are involved, funds are transferred. Look at the overseas forums and their comments on our mega projects and the political parties - really scary.
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post Nov 4 2010, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 2 2010, 01:54 PM)
mind giving me some links to these forums?
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Take the one at our neighbour : CNA Forum. Search for : Malaysia. Lots of comments.
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QUOTE(Heihachi777 @ Nov 5 2010, 02:41 AM)
k, i get u nod.gif
once, my frens challenged me since i hate the ruler so much, why still stay in my? just get lost lah! i told them what for oh, cos at current stage, i can live veli veli comfortably in this slow mode, less competitive, slow pace, non-productive dreamland tongue.gif ; but when my kids grown-up, we all will jump-ship if the ruler is still talking mega projects all the time doh.gif
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Yes, I have quite a number of friends and associates who are in the some boat too. They ensure their next generation goes to a better-governed place, but they themselves are here, well, whether stuck here or for whatever reason, that's beside the point.

Perhaps can be said as stuck here also, for the income-generating vehicles are here, and here is where the elder generation has been making a living all this while. Can't just uproot and go, right ?

On the other hand, there is still a chance to go, by slowly building up the wealth at the other side, and starting to generate income at the chosen place. When there's a will, there is always a way. I see in some friends of mine, the children have all gone away to another place, but they are still here, I'm not sure though by choice or just being 'stuck' here.

Just choose a place which you think is better than here, start building your income-generating instruments at the new place and pay taxes to that Gov't (they will appreciate it), and move your children over to study there when they grow up.

Then you go over too.

In the modern world, people choose where they want to stay, and of course, countries too choose what sort of people they want as citizens. It's back to the basic concept of survival and supply-and-demand.

Nobody is forcing you into anything.

Plan and be satisfied with your plans, whatever you choose to do. Do before 2018.
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QUOTE(Heihachi777 @ Nov 5 2010, 02:41 AM)
k, i get u nod.gif
once, my frens challenged me since i hate the ruler so much, why still stay in my? just get lost lah! i told them what for oh, cos at current stage, i can live veli veli comfortably in this slow mode, less competitive, slow pace, non-productive dreamland tongue.gif ; but when my kids grown-up, we all will jump-ship if the ruler is still talking mega projects all the time doh.gif
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Thought I'd add this too on this lovely evening : pertaining to your comment in bold above, then I might as well choose another slow mode, less competitive, slow-paced country BUT at the same time, somehow, the country is still productive, with good governance, great infrastructure, big landmass and natural rsources, and with equal opportunities for everybody (let's not count the uneven occurrences of racism here and there).

Furthermore, the country has a truely diverse ethnicities, and not to mention really pretty ladies from all the world over, lol.

This post has been edited by Hansel: Nov 6 2010, 10:16 AM
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post Nov 7 2010, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 7 2010, 08:32 AM)
What is going to happen after 2018?
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I'm surprised you are the only one who asked, seems others are already aware, or they are not really concerned, but would like to say this : when the bomb explodes, it will be like a nuclear bomb, otherwise, everything looks really peaceful.

Caught these statements below from another place, but please take with a pinch of salt, don't believe everything :-

maybe you din aware, i saw the news saying duno year 201x they will become net importer.

heard they going initiate what mege project right now, the budget deficit can only be going all the way up, very soon when the UMNO transfer all the assets out , then leaving poverty and internal war for the residents there.

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QUOTE(altism @ Nov 8 2010, 05:55 AM)
I wish to know from where is this news obtained? Any hard facts to back it up?
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I am sorry, I am not able to support with any hard facts, and neither is the news from any official government agencies, but as we are all aware, there are always good and kind people out there who will alert others of impending calamities, eg, leaflets were dropped all over Nagasaki and Hiroshima before the A-Bombs came.

Then again, the information may be wrong, like I said earlier, take it with a pinch of salt.

For me, basically from now, I will find a way to move my money out and diversify my assets and resources.

As 2018 comes closer, listen for more news, and if truely, things are not bright, then it's time to pull-out everything.

This is not an investment advice, please do your DD.
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I typed out a reasonably long note a moment ago but somehow, a virus triggered an attack and froze my browser, well, just to make a long story short : there's nothing we can do about it. Just put some assets outside of the country and evacuate if necessary.

Malaysia is a peaceful place to be in, we do not choose the country where we are born into, but we can always choose the place that we prefer to be in.
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QUOTE(firee818 @ Dec 19 2010, 09:00 AM)
PNB's fixed price fund (ASB, ASW, ASM, AS1M) is one of the best fund in the world with annual compounding interest of around 6.20% to 9% consistently payout annually and the fund price always maintain at RM 1.00, even the KLSE collapse. I m serious!
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Have to agree with the above, PNB funds are very well protected in terms of capital of the investors'. Well,... until now, that is, to me, a major risk is if the Opposition wins in the next GE...
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Dec 27 2010, 09:45 PM)
AS1M annual report is ready & downloadable at ASNB website. Here are my findings abt the reports:-

i) Out of RM10bil approved fund size, RM4.0bil being subsribed as at FYE 30 Sept

ii) the financial report is from 5 Aug 2009 to 30 Sept 2010, indicating 14 months return of 6.38%, so annualised return shd be 5.53%p.a. only, the report never indicate the annualised income of 5.53%, it is quite misleading

iii) Around 416 investors holding > RM500K units and above, total units held by this group is 519,350,588, this translate into each of the investors in this catagory hold RM1.27 mil per person in average.

iv) There is around 5% of investors (based on total number of investors) owning 50% of the AS1M funds. Depicting that rich ppl will getting richer....

v) around 20% of the funds are investing in banking stocks such as Maybank, Public Bank, so it is not shariah compliance, same as ASB. During the ASB dividend annoucement last week, PNB CHairman indicated that the main income contributor for ASB this year coming from Maybank.

And if u compare both ASB, and AS1M investment portfolio, u will find these 2 funds have the similar portfolio. But the question is why ASB pays 8.75%p.a (7.5%+1.25%) return whist AS1M only pay 5.53%p.a., is that because ASB only for Bumiputera? Apparently, AS1M return is 50% less than ASB.

vi) 68% of the AS1M fund invest in Equity whereas 32% in cash/ money market

Above are my findings, open for discussion.
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Cheah, thank you for this input. Really valuable.

What about the revenue and the operating profit between the ASB and the AS1M - are they similar too, since they have quite similar portfolios ?
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post Dec 30 2010, 12:47 PM

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Could it be the AS1M carries more retained earnings than the ASB ? After all, these are funds and they're not REITs, hence, no defined payout ratio needs to be followed.
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QUOTE(_dan @ Dec 30 2010, 08:42 PM)
should wait for ASB 2010 annual report before can compare. As for 2009 ASB invest 28.15% from total fund in Maybank whereas AS1M use 7.98% from their fund to invest in Maybank. You should know that even though AS1M,ASM,asw2020 etc can copied ASB portfolio, but the percentage will never be the same due to limited fund. And of course the dividend received will never be the same because the dividend is given based on no of shares held.


Added on December 30, 2010, 7:48 pm

i think you are the one who refuse to understand cool2.gif
i have bring evidence from various source to justify my statement.
but how about the rest?
did they have evidence to justify their statment?
what they can do is to politicize everything based on rumours and hearsays.
even worst, some also tried to be racist. shakehead.gif
i think i should not wasting my time to explain more due to your ignorance. cool2.gif
what i can suggest you is to withdraw your money and put in other ut or invest in stock or maybe FD if you think PNB try to cheat your money.enough said. cool2.gif
and for your information ASB, AS1M, ASW2020 is fixed-priced fund!
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Guys, if basing on _dan's bolded comment in the above, the the portfolio is not the same anymore, hence the percentage return is different.

And fund size does not matter if we are analysing the percentage returns based on the exact similar portfolios for two funds. But I believed the exact similar portfolios can't be easily achieved here because I recalled reading somewhere that the managers looking after the two funds are different people.
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One point that caught my attention was someone saying that AS1M is new, therefore the returns are not that good YET. If we are to go by historical analyses, the returns of the fixed-price funds, incl the ASB has certainly dropped over the years.

Anyway, amount does not affect the percentage returns.

I tend to believe the portfolio of ASB is definitely far more superior than the other funds, and the other funds have no means to emulate the ASB because, conceptually, it is still a zero-sum game.

The ASB is to get the lion's share first, then the other funds can share out the rest.
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This might be a far-fetched idea for some, but if you are truly for the income, then learn to invest in the Canadian Income Trusts. With careful and diligent study, you may be able to spot gems, and the yields can be above 10%, paid MONTHLY.

Google, read-up, and learn.

The PNB funds are not the only things in the world.
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Jan 27 2011, 09:47 PM)
An interesting info. Thanks for sharing. Will google it  smile.gif
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Yes, I am doing this because I see that too many people are just too dependant on PNB, especially, sorry for saying this, the Chinese. Look beyond the shores, there are other things available beyond the rainbow.

Learn about the Income Trusts. Then the next step is how to buy.

I will provide guidance if there are enough people who are keen.

I just had sympathy for the PNB diehards here. Why is this so ??? Aren't there any other choices in our investment lives ?
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Is it me, or what ? Why do you guys mention that Chinese is counted as Bumiputras ? Of course not,...

Anyway : please research about the Income Trusts, and if you guys are truly ready and keen to participate, I will provide guidance on where to buy,.. it's a bit lengthy,.. so let's see how many are truly keen enough.
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Jan 28 2011, 07:49 PM)
I've read a bit last night but there is something i really want to know. Is it not fixed price fund right ? I mean it is a bit like unit trust too ? Because like Public Mutual unit trust, the dividend usually are very high but it all depends on when did you buy your units. The dividend declared every year might not even be enough to cover your depreciating NAV value.
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In a way, yes, your entry price is important, it will determine your yield.

You will need to look at previous year dividends, and the company's current dividend ann'ts to determine whether the company is giving out Eligible Dividend or Return-of-Capital (ROC), or what percentage of each which makes up the whole dividend amount. With this skill, you can go after the companies that pay out Eligible Dividends, or a higher proportion of Eligible Dividends compared to ROC, and you will be quite safe. The company does declare this proportion, unlike other shares in other parts of the world.

I believe the US dividend payers do this too.

As for the dividend, you will need to do quite some homework to be able to spot the gems that pay-out above 10% yield per year at current price, in order to, say cover the reducing NAV if it so happens.

The beauty is : I get my dividend very month-end. It will help a lot in the cashflow for yield investors.

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