QUOTE(Hansel @ May 28 2011, 04:19 AM)
ASB is an equity fund, however, the way it has been paying-out its dividend every year makes it 'qualified' to go under the Fixed Income section of one's financial portfolio. True - if we are looking at the underlyings, they're still equities. But a portfolio can have an instrument based on the payout performance, and not only based on the underlyings.
There is no way that ASB could be deemed or qualified for a fixed income catagory, if u r financial savvy, u will know what i meant. Fixed income/Bond have the following criteria.
a) the face value could be sold under discount value, or at premium value.
b) it pay out fixed dividend @ agreed coupon rates, say 5% or 10%, and the issuers have the obligation to pay the periodical dividend, and principal + dividend at the end of bond's maturity.
c) bond/fixed income are allowed to be traded in the secondary market, so the bond price are fluctuate and negative correlated to the interest rate. for the case of bond mutual funds, fund price fluctuate as well, it could be priced at RM0.90 now and RM1.1 a year after.
i dont see ASB fit with the ANY of the above criterias.
a) ASB do not pay any fixed or guaranteed any % of dividend payout. It is paid out on the stock performance basis, in the range of 7-11%. There is no obligation in the ASB prospectus that they MUST declare dividend, unlike Bond/fixed income which need to pay out by hook or by crook, unless goes bankrupt.
b) ASB price do not fluctuates unlike bond price or fixed income funds
c) fixed income/bond have maturity dates and longer term bond carry higher risk and pay higher dividend.
PBB, BAT, Amway pays good dividend every year without fails, it doesnt meant that they are under fixed income catagory, they are still stock/equity.
Added on May 29, 2011, 5:08 pmQUOTE(Hansel @ May 28 2011, 04:19 AM)
Agree that we have different defs for : businessmen. I don't know Teh Hong Piow and Vincent Tan personally, so I will not comment or 'think' about their portfolios. On a factual basis, I know PERSONALLY, Peter Lim in Singapore and his people - they all have a portion of their portfolios under Fixed Income, earning a low but safe yield of 7 to 10%.
All men involved in business are businessmen, and they contribute to society by capitalistic means, even the small food stallholders.
i do not say that food stall do not contribute to the society, even a street sweeper/cleaner also contribute to the society. What i want to distinguish is what is a true blue businessman. If u own a RM2 paid up capital company doesnt means u r a "real" businessman.
The example that i quoted, nasi lemak seller, they are self-employed, and not true blue businessman. Read more books such as "Millionaire next door", Rich Dad Poor Dad, Cash Flow 4 Quadrants, u will find out what is the defination of bizman. To me, tb business owner is when u own a business, and u can go off from your business for 1 year travelling, and come back to your business and see your business is still growing. This is what i meant true blue businessman.
I do not know who is Peter Lim. but am sure all Malaysian know who is Tony Fenandez and Tan Sri THP.
Tan Sri is the founder and biggest individual shareholder of Public Bank, who wholly owned Public Mutual Berhad. PM also the biggest private fund managers in Malaysia, covering around 45% of the marketshare. Since you claim yourself as businessman you shd have the business common sense to judge if Tan Sri will invest in ASB? i am sure that he is not for sure, as he is not a Bumiputera. For those funds that he qualifies, there will be a cap of investment for non bumi, when ASM/ASW increase their fund size they only allow 20K per individual, do u think Tan Sri will queue up personally @ 8am, in front of post office to bank in 20K in ASM? If he wants to diversify his portfolios, he has many ways.
This post has been edited by cheahcw2003: May 29 2011, 05:10 PM