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 AS1M, ASM, ASW, ASB V2, PNB fund

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post May 4 2011, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ May 3 2011, 11:38 PM)
Man ... i hope they will increase the fund size for ASW2020 soon. The last time they did so was in late 2008.
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The chairman has annouced recently they will be no increase of fund size for any fixed price fund this year. They are now promoting the variable price products to non bumi. The chairman also mentioned that bumi portion for AS1M still plenty.
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post May 4 2011, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ May 4 2011, 05:28 PM)
I am eager to see how it's gonna fare this year. The first dividend declared (6.38%) was highly misleading but still better than FD nonetheless. Might just go for this if i have no other choice. Just temporarily anyway until they increase the ASW2020 fund size again (praying hard  biggrin.gif ).

@AS1M holders,
Have any of you tried to sell your AS1M before ? Did they charge you anything ?
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why not u try ASD? it pays the same dividend as ASW2020, both are full, but u can always try and error.
Najib just anouce that they want to lend to poor bumi to invest in AS1M, because this fund "tak laku" among bumi, so i guess the return will be the same as ASM, otherwise how to attract Bumi/Indians' interest to fill up the funds?
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post May 5 2011, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(Nepo @ May 5 2011, 04:03 PM)
If all the member redeem....what are the consequence?

Wawasan 2020 in Boleh Land...  whistling.gif
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ASW2020 fund's life is not until year 2020 man, it will grow perpetually.....
u can have any fund name with numbers....
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post May 10 2011, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(PlShelpME1993 @ May 10 2011, 06:43 PM)
SRY jz wanna ask some question...
i wanna buy something from a company....they gave me their public account No.
so wat i shud do now is go to the counter in public bank thr...and tell them i wan bank in the money to tat acc?
or i ned to fill any form
sry if my question is too dumb and thx for ur help
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post May 16 2011, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(neobita @ May 13 2011, 08:22 AM)
not counting asb share owners who died and forgot to write their will? I think there are many  sad.gif
That's free money for the government.
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This happened to all commercial banks, private mutual funds companies, EPF, not only PNB funds
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post May 19 2011, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 18 2011, 11:56 PM)
Hi, need advice from you guys.

I have browsed through http://www.asnb.com.my/ and notice that ASM's starting date was 20 April 2000, closing date was 31 March. What does it mean? Which year's 31 March? Or is it open every year and ends on 31 March every year? I'm confused.

Any suggestion when would there be any chances to invest in any of these funds? Seems like each fund has its specific starting date and closing date, once you are late, no more chances given, have to wait for next opening date.
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31 March is the financial year of ASM, means the dividend will be paid out on the following day, i.e. 1 April.

The fund size is RM13bil, it will be only available to invest if someone withdraw. For the time being, all funds are full for non-bumi.

And from the recent anoucement by the ASNB chairman, there will be no subscription opening for any fixed priced fund for non bumi for this year. So u need to find other alternatives for investment.
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post May 19 2011, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(Nepo @ May 19 2011, 09:15 AM)
BLR rose, then this year dividend should be higher.
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yes, u r right. Historically, there is a fixed gap in between the ASB dividend payout (or any other ASNB's fund) and BLR, they are possitively correlated.

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post May 20 2011, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Nepo @ May 20 2011, 08:11 AM)
The correlation existed because ASB Loan interest will be increase also. Therefore, to compensate this negative effect to the ASB's Loan holders, the "Authority" has no way but to increase the dividend payout rate so as the ASB holders (who are taking ASB's loan) will not in loss position. Will this make sense??? smile.gif
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this is one of the reasons. the main reason is the monetary policy and understanding of how our interest rate works.
interest rate is an indicator of how the economy performs, usually when the economy is in the bad shape center bank will lower the interest rate to spur the economy, for example in 2008-2009, the interest rate is at historical low both in USA and in many asia countries. When interest rate increase gradually, it is the sign of economy recovery/improvement. like what we are experiencing now, OPR and BLR increased by 25 basis point every now and then.

back to ASB, the ASB (or any ASNB fund) dividend increase also due to the economy sentiment, KLSE index performance, dividend payout.
When economy improving, interest rate increase, KLSE index also increase (at historical height now), and firms tend to pay more/better dividen. that is the main reason.

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post May 24 2011, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(556 @ May 23 2011, 11:57 PM)
guys, ASB maximum amount has increased from RM200,000 to RM268,000
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mind to show us the evidence?
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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 24 2011, 12:47 PM)
Guys, why ask all these questions ? If I'm a Bumi, I will just top-up all I am allowed to !
Some Bumi businessmen friends of mine just dump in as much as they can, but I heard in order to do this, they need to have a good relationship with the banks or PNB.
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trust me, if they are the true blue businessman they will not keep the money in ASB. 7%+1% is nothing to a businessman.
A retired businessman, maybe...
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QUOTE(MGM @ May 24 2011, 10:30 PM)
The Chinese portion of the newest fund, AS1M took > 6 months to be fully taken up. It wasn't well accepted like the other PNB funds due to some negative comments by some " experts".
For those who read and understand the prospectus, it was a golden opportunity to grab as much units as you can. Except for the first few days, you dont have to queue to buy.
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very very true, when available for 6 months, nobody want to grasp, when sold out only complain...unfair here, unfair there...
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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 25 2011, 12:47 PM)

If one is saying a 'true-blue businessman' does not treasure a Fixed Income vehicle like the ASB, then I believed he does not believe in theories of Financial management, which I do. I am a businessman myself, some of my money in business activities, other in many other instruments.
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FYI, ASB (or any fixed price fund of ASNB) is not a fixed income fund or vehicle, it just pays dividend every year. 90% of the funds investing in equity, so it is considered an equity funds.

My defination of businessman is different level than yours, I don't think tan Sri teh hongpiow, or tan Sri Vincent tan will invest in any asnb funds. They are the true blue bizman in my definition.

Those selling Nasi lemak or kacang Putih on the street is not the true blue bizman by my definition.
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post May 29 2011, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 28 2011, 04:19 AM)
ASB is an equity fund, however, the way it has been paying-out its dividend every year makes it 'qualified' to go under the Fixed Income section of one's financial portfolio. True - if we are looking at the underlyings, they're still equities. But a portfolio can have an instrument based on the payout performance, and not only based on the underlyings.
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There is no way that ASB could be deemed or qualified for a fixed income catagory, if u r financial savvy, u will know what i meant. Fixed income/Bond have the following criteria.
a) the face value could be sold under discount value, or at premium value.
b) it pay out fixed dividend @ agreed coupon rates, say 5% or 10%, and the issuers have the obligation to pay the periodical dividend, and principal + dividend at the end of bond's maturity.
c) bond/fixed income are allowed to be traded in the secondary market, so the bond price are fluctuate and negative correlated to the interest rate. for the case of bond mutual funds, fund price fluctuate as well, it could be priced at RM0.90 now and RM1.1 a year after.

i dont see ASB fit with the ANY of the above criterias.
a) ASB do not pay any fixed or guaranteed any % of dividend payout. It is paid out on the stock performance basis, in the range of 7-11%. There is no obligation in the ASB prospectus that they MUST declare dividend, unlike Bond/fixed income which need to pay out by hook or by crook, unless goes bankrupt.
b) ASB price do not fluctuates unlike bond price or fixed income funds
c) fixed income/bond have maturity dates and longer term bond carry higher risk and pay higher dividend.

PBB, BAT, Amway pays good dividend every year without fails, it doesnt meant that they are under fixed income catagory, they are still stock/equity.


Added on May 29, 2011, 5:08 pm
QUOTE(Hansel @ May 28 2011, 04:19 AM)
Agree that we have different defs for : businessmen. I don't know Teh Hong Piow and Vincent Tan personally, so I will not comment or 'think' about their portfolios. On a factual basis, I know PERSONALLY, Peter Lim in Singapore and his people - they all have a portion of their portfolios under Fixed Income, earning a low but safe yield of 7 to 10%.

All men involved in business are businessmen, and they contribute to society by capitalistic means, even the small food stallholders.
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i do not say that food stall do not contribute to the society, even a street sweeper/cleaner also contribute to the society. What i want to distinguish is what is a true blue businessman. If u own a RM2 paid up capital company doesnt means u r a "real" businessman.

The example that i quoted, nasi lemak seller, they are self-employed, and not true blue businessman. Read more books such as "Millionaire next door", Rich Dad Poor Dad, Cash Flow 4 Quadrants, u will find out what is the defination of bizman. To me, tb business owner is when u own a business, and u can go off from your business for 1 year travelling, and come back to your business and see your business is still growing. This is what i meant true blue businessman.

I do not know who is Peter Lim. but am sure all Malaysian know who is Tony Fenandez and Tan Sri THP.

Tan Sri is the founder and biggest individual shareholder of Public Bank, who wholly owned Public Mutual Berhad. PM also the biggest private fund managers in Malaysia, covering around 45% of the marketshare. Since you claim yourself as businessman you shd have the business common sense to judge if Tan Sri will invest in ASB? i am sure that he is not for sure, as he is not a Bumiputera. For those funds that he qualifies, there will be a cap of investment for non bumi, when ASM/ASW increase their fund size they only allow 20K per individual, do u think Tan Sri will queue up personally @ 8am, in front of post office to bank in 20K in ASM? If he wants to diversify his portfolios, he has many ways.

This post has been edited by cheahcw2003: May 29 2011, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(hyzam1212 @ Jun 1 2011, 02:20 PM)
Anybody investing in AHB, this is like REIT rite? Don't know where to discuss on this topic. If wrong, pls advice mod:)
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Ahb is part of REITs, just declared it's quarterly dividend of around 2 cents. Open for bumiputra only. U can go to the website to find out the basic info. It is fully subscribed fr my last heard.
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QUOTE(mousepad87 @ Jun 7 2011, 09:24 PM)
i planing to have euro trip early next year.. i planing to save at least rm500/month..

which saving/bond/investment can give quick return without need to wait maturity (1 year period saving)?
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 12 2011, 12:16 PM)
I'm sorry too to say that : the Chinese then should put in MORE effort to know about other modes of investments and other instruments, and NOT to queue up at 4.30am in the morning to buy PNB funds.

This would be another way to look at things. Why depend solely on PNB only ? ...please wake up, the Chinese of Malaysia... mad.gif
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PPl only sit and do nothing and complain..
there are many good save investment tools that can generate handsome profit, and they just did not see it
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ASD dividend is 6.5% this year
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jun 12 2011, 09:35 PM)
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PPl only sit and do nothing and complain..
there are many good save investment tools that can generate handsome profit, and they just did not see it
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check my previous post at PM Mutual
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QUOTE(hyzam1212 @ Jun 15 2011, 09:17 AM)
Do you have some source on the net?
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google it and u will find
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QUOTE(milentechie @ Jun 16 2011, 01:59 PM)
You may want to consider for ASN3 if you can stomach the fluctuation. I made 100% as per yesterday NAV in 10 years time. Got back my capital + 100% profit.

But, I put little money in there.  cry.gif  Just like everyone here prefer ASM/ASW2020/AS1M.  wink.gif
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look at the other side of the coin,
the fixed price funds stable rate of return with no surprise. Variable price fund I guess other conventional mutual funds perform better.

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