Try not to mix religion with science. Things will get complicated when these 2 are mixed.

Sin is just another word created by religion. In science, there is no sin or whatsoever

it felt kinda weird why ppl treated philosophy is something to do with religion...either religion or science , both can be co-existed...Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...but now i am not talking about religion dude...

He is the wisest man


It is all about the survival of the fittest.
In this ecology, there is a thing called food web.

In food web, all the numbers of organisms balance out.
You eat and get eaten.

If you stop a single main species from getting eaten, the whole economy and the whole earth could be destroyed.


If chickens cannot eat worms.. Chickens will be dead
If Foxes cannot eat chicken, foxes will be dead
Later, the whole food web will be destroyed.
Humans will be eventually dead.
organisms need one another.
We indirectly help one another.


God created things in this order.
If you try to change, the whole ecology will be destroyed.

Even bacteria are organisms. We need bacteria to be alive and vice versa. We help each other.




And besides, plants are also organisms.
They also perform all the life processes..
All animals need plants.. They eat plants..

If you don't want to kill, I want you to try stop eating anything for a month



If you say that plants are not alive, why do you say so? Because they dont have brain?
Some animals do not have brain too.. Animals such as jellyfish and starfish have a decentralized nervous system without a brain.

Some plants can trap and eat animals too.


To sum up, saying we can't eat living things is very vague and nonsense.


We can eat living things.

But we can't kill them unnecessarily.






This post has been edited by prolog: Aug 10 2009, 04:35 PM

I heard religion without science is blind before but never heard Science without religion is lame. haha...

Or is it other word that should replace the word 'lame'???

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Added on August 10, 2009, 11:19 pmWhere is the word 'sin' come from actually??? From religion or rules made by human? Both of them made such word to protect human from being kill by another one. If not, I might be a crazy murderer right now...

And we pay to eat chicken...

Btw, I read an article said that pig is the smartest because they know they gonna eaten by human. So, they eat and sleep only and do nothing. From here we can see that pig can think and accept their fate to be eaten by human.

This post has been edited by Dark Lord: Aug 10 2009, 11:21 PM

This is Evolutionary Theory

you guys mind need to read Darwinian theory

actually, plant do kill another plant too.
lets say, when a big leaf fall on a small plant, the small plant cant get any sunlight, yea, the big tree with big leaf kill the small plant.

by all mean, strongest survive, why human can kill chicken? bcoz human stronger
Why Army able to kill citizen, coz army is stronger.

Sin is a term used mainly in a religious context to describe an act that violates a moral rule, or the state of having committed such a violation. Commonly, the moral code of conduct is decreed by a divine entity, i.e. Divine law.

I have no religion, we are not blind but neutral or naturally born without have to narrow down to an ideology forced upon by race or society. I am lucky enough to have that choice. Luckily, science you said is blind otherwise restricted by religion.

LOL that doesn't prove that pig can think. You've made a false assumption/conclusion.

Listen to my humble comment.
Animals can't think. Only humans can think because they are special. Humans are made to rule, to govern and control the universe as they can. And among humans there are rulers.

Proof?
1) If animals, can think, why they don't think to enhance their life like human do?
2) Humans can kill more animals(tigers, birds, crocs..etc) but they don't. Why? Is it because of the "rules" made by human's rulers? Or is it because of the bad consequences seen by humans of their acts? Or is it because they have the emotion not to kill them? The answer is.. depends on the person among the humans itself. Because humans sometimes can think deep, sometimes cannot. Sometimes affected by emotion such as symphathy, greed, love, hatred.

So is human same as animal? Physically inside, yes comparing to some animals. But animals can think? No. Only human can. So we can't compare animals' rules with humans' rules.

Your definition of 'think' is???

For me, they can think, just that not as intelligent as human.

lol

if darwin was right about life and all that is weak is very well sacrificial for the strong. then why are we preserving the weak?

the famine plague nation, the dying organisms and what not, we should just let them die their destined death.

I think you will be surprised to find that contrary to your believes, animals are more intelligent than you think. Who says they do not have the capability to have emotions?

Human is just one type of animal, the difference is intelligence and that is all.

i strongly believe,

a human without education / social teaching, is nothing much difference than the animals.

throw a baby to the jungle will raise him to be an animal.

Intelligence is what makes us difference, if we didn't use it, we are not.

This post has been edited by mindkiller6610: Aug 12 2009, 12:35 PM

I don't say animals don't have emotions. They have. I only say they don't have what humans have, the ability to think. And because humans sometimes affected by emotions and sometimes can't think right, rules are made to control them. Like they can't kill others even if they are capable to do it.

rules are created in civilization.

civilization are created when 2 or more human beings able to communicate and socialize.

u don't see lion killing lion often, it is the same thing..

Human is cancer to the Universe, beginning to infect neighboring planets (atom / cell).

Very true, i love your ideology. Its sad that a particular group of religious ppl just too narrow in their thinking (conservative in another word).
I agree that science and religion can indeed co exist, but science can just progress above everything human can ever imagine, this will leave religion thousands of years behind trying to catch up but failed miserably.

Science can change when society changes, religion try to suppress changes when society is changing. Society becomes more and more complicated, science progress further but religion is holding back the progression of the whole system. Sooner or later the divide between religion and science will be wider and wider until 1 day when science can proof the origin of the universe that renders religion to be a myth.

from my point of view, killing is not a sin when it becomes a necessity, that is, killing in the name of survival. Self-defenses, food crisis..etc. that is what ecology is all about.

on the other hand, i believe that none of us here has the right to claim lives of others, that include murderers. Why? Simply because killing is a sin. Bear in mind that executing and killing share one objective. We may incarcerate him to prevent him from further sinning. BUT we just dont have the right to kill. Regardless of religions, ONLY nature can claim lives. Everyone deserves a second chance. I'm not in any way defying the justice system. It is undoubtedly necessary to put sinners behind bars for correctional purposes. The right to claim lives still belongs to NATURE(alter this to whatsoever term as u wish)

action in itself does not consitute sin. The intention behind it does.

Well, 'sin' is a subjective construct of a conscious mind, and science can view it as such (and it does, in epistemology and more commonly in the social sciences).

In any case, this is pretty much the same for the issue at hand. 'Humanity' and 'life' are subjective constructs. Some societies view life as beginning after a child reaches puberty.

Therefore, each individual can subjectively define what is life, and what lives are permissible to be killed. Hell, even 'killing' is subjective. There are Guinean tribes that don't consider and individual dead until several days after being medically defined as dead.

But while every individual can take his own interpretation, when humans come into a collective, a natural occurrence is that a common set of rules are imposed on the collective. Hence, the willingness/unwillingness to kill animals etc. etc.

cheers

Imagine a sperm & egg that carry the full body system and your facial characteristic to create a human, what is this about who we are to kill???

The person we are today is different a few years from now, have you ever think of your childhood and laugh to yourself how silly you are? You will think about what you say and do today when you are old and feel the silly.
Let me ask this question like what is human? How do you define what you are instead of who, the can or cannot do, right and wrong is just code of conduct and ethics we follow to avoid killing each other.