aiyoo.. why kopi peng rike to galohh one?
deflate the pride a little won't hurt gua..?

eh.. i also serious one.

I flame people also.

you sure sounds like someone who got alot of bad blood.. couple with small gas.. sounds like you have a wenkel engine there!! 

You're the perfect exhibit for EPIC FAIL. I'll show you why in a moment.
Thank you for once again proving just how narrow minded you are.

Do metaphors totally elude you? I compared your "points" to walking legs, and used "one legged handicap" as a metaphor for any perceived weakness a person could have. All your criterias for attractiveness are highly subjective and many of us here who have a wide experience with social interactions can tell you that none of those criterias truly matter.

Smoking, drinking (alcohol, clarifying it with you cause I'm starting to doubt your intelligence) are unhealthy. By your definition these people by default are less attractive to others, and those who don't (normally goody goody guys) are by default, more attractive. Yet who are the ones getting the girls? You can see a hot chick with a fat guy, and a good looking buff guy sitting sadly all alone at a bar. What does that tell you? Exceptions?

Your exceptions only exists because you do not wish to acknowledge that you're missing something. You can talk about all these points, but in fact, I don't believe you truly understand anything about attraction. Whatever you understand, is simply on the surface level, shallow. You don't have that inner strength that successful people have, which is why you require so much validation from others. You can't bloody validate yourself.

You just can't admit that you're mistaken. Your "theories" are incomplete, you write not to help others, but to validate your own theories because of how your life has been affected by it. It shows in your writing and how you constantly try to garner support from others, appealing to the readership instead of your own rationality. Even that is laughable cause in this topic alone, how many people have you seen supporting what you say? How many have been saying I've been too nice to you? You appealed to the readership, so what are they saying? Or are you blind to that too because it'll hurt your fragile ego?

You wrote the face the truth series. I actually liked that at first, but the more you wrote, the more obvious it became you have a very skewed perspective. So I think its apt for you to also face the truth, that you don't know much about attraction as you think you do.
Which is what I'm trying to get into his thick skull. Its so damn thick, it doesn't have much space for a brain any more. I talked about how women are a social driving force, and the only thing he thinks about is love & attraction Any attempts to try get him to understand that have failed and basically that's how it got derailed.

I nicely asked him to admit he misunderstood what I wrote, but he was adamant on sticking to his view points. Typical behaviour of a narrow minded person.

waa.. ah peng, afternoon start "uphappy hour" oledi ah?
how was lunch?

Indeed they do, they do not seem to be siding you in this topic in case you didn't notice.
You can't respond to it, so you just to ridicule it off? Smooth move ezra... only if you're talking to little kids. You wanna put forth arguments with us, you have to step up your game.
No. They'll choose those with an inner quality that none of the above criterias have an bearing on.
True, but the attractiveness is nothing you've mentioned. Noob13 has eloquently pointed it out to you.
For your ownself, not because its things girls want. Get it?
What the heck are you, a power ranger that needs to scream a catch phrase every time?

Here in malaysia, guys who smokes and guys who doesn't have equal chances. alot of my smoking friends are married too.

See, your perspective is proven to be limited to what you observed within your scope of boring stuck up friends.

here though, i would like to correct teongpeng and happy4ever for a while

well, in malaysia, i am pretty aware of the people around me, girls and guys especially if i pop them the question, would you like a smoker to be your potential spouse, i would get the majority answer as a no

maybe it's your group of friends you are mixing with, that is why you get a different response or see a different point of view that your smoking friends are married

well, also, you need to bear in mind that society is changing towards a non-smoking seeking spouse behavior, as i remember from a survey conducted by thestar previously, many stated no for their answer (of course, those whom are married already will be living in a different time phase comparing to the non-married ones)

in short,
if its just a direct question, without any extra personal variables, of course smoking is a less attractive trait to have, unless you are somebody in the other person's eyes

ask any person (that you don't know) from their early mid 20's who ain't married and see your results from the answer...of course, given the fact that if they are a smoker then most likely they would not mind as well

+1000 points! exactly why i din give anymore comments. nice observation dickson. i still stick with the fact that 1+1 in relationships don't always equals 2. just try yout best, go wif the flow and be sincere.

Does this girl try Q me if :-

- laugh at every silly joke I make.
- praising me occasionally
- lean to me until touch shoulder to shoulder every time give me something to read
- when we walking together always shoulder touch and sometimes my hand accidentally touch her thigh as we too close to each other.
- always ask something like I like some others girl that we know and the type that I like.
- when we talk always stand beside me to lean closer and I think until got touch sometime.
- dare to hit me back when I teasing her.

This girl is a colleague at the place I work but we never gone out for lunch together or anything so I think we not very close. Rejected b4 when asking her out for lunch but sometimes she teasing me to ask her for lunch. Is the girl try to hints me or its just me perasan. 

The thing is this girl is super friendly to everyone but so far I haven't see her lean too close to any guy at work. Confuse.

I always phailed on step 5.

done all of these 5 step and i still donno whether she likes me or not

Yea i have the feeling of closing the deal soon, though just some time ago, i was really wondering hard whether im in the friend zone.

hahaha if u remember me, i was the one who sought for advice back in june. things are getting better now.

(fyi, we are around 19-20 yrs old), do i still follow the advice u just gave - romantic dinner? or try to hold hands wit her first. lol i can leech this thread kan? if not, i can open a new thread =)

Can these 5 steps be applied by a female? LOL.