Check this out guys. Cheapest 1080p projector using DLP. Support 1080p24. If anyone can bring this in for less than RM 5k than this would be a hot seller for upgrade from 720p. I'm going to hold my HD82 purchase until more review for this unit is out.

Anyway, I had an audition for JVC HD350. Based on the review I had read, the demo is a little bit dissapointing. I'm not sure if the demo unit is having problem as it doesn't show the attribute as mention in the review. So I'm back to 1080p projector.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....=1155084&page=6

This post has been edited by pierreye: Jul 9 2009, 10:59 AM

the HD20 ar....check the spec...

contrast ratio.....500:1

wait for HTKAKI response?

500:1 is ANSI contrast. Still higher than JVC RS10 which is 300:1. On/Off should be 3500:1.

if ANSI contrast then ok, the ratings are very conservative..

I think still need to wait for few years lar...if want 1080p projector less than 5k in MALAYSIA..

if USD1k can think

got lobang to bring

projector is light items, fedex in from overseas lor..

The HD350 is the same as RS10 right? What did you find disappointing about it?

Anyway, 1080p for USD1k is a new benchmark in price for Full HD projectors. Would help to increase uptake of 1080p material.

yes agree basic 1080p projs, USD 1k should be the new price point nowadays, even 42inch plasmas can be had for less than 1k USD.. so no other reason why it should be costing usd2k for a starter 1080p projector unless they throw in an anamorpic lens as well..

wait for guitarman to review first

another ROUND for out good friend HTKAKI to bring in more biz after the success of LEGEND HD65

why legend? he take HD65 from legend ar?

Guys,
PJ to screen with 14ft distance apart. What size am I looking at?
Sitting Position will be 8ft only from the screen.
So my couch would be in between the screen and PJ.

1. black level is not up to my expectation. Need to fully close the iris but still not reaching what I would consider inky black. RS2 actually beat the rs10 in this area in black level.

2. I'm from DLP projector and I would say DLP projector still have the WOW factor in the picture quality. Somehow I feel DLP projector had more 3D pop in high contrast picture.

3. A little bit blur to my taste. DLP still sharper. I read a lot of review saying that the sharpness is acceptable but not too me. I don't feel my 720p DLP projector is loosing in term of sharpness.

4. Color is over saturated. My BENQ 720p projector is tuned using colorimeter and greyscale is almost perfect and color gamut dE is less than 3. Anyway, since it's a demo, I do not have time to tune the projector but even then rs10 can't have a perfect color decoding due to lack of 3D CMS. So out of box, it's not perfect.

I suspect the demo unit is defective as it doesn't tally with most of the review. So I would suggest you all view the unit first before buying.

In your situation the screen size is going to be limited by your sitting position not the projector distance. At 14' projector distance you can easily project 110" and more, but it will be too big for your 8' sitting position.

2. I'm from DLP projector and I would say DLP projector still have the WOW factor in the picture quality. Somehow I feel DLP projector had more 3D pop in high contrast picture.


yes DLP always more POP....

8ft viewing distance you can get between 70" ~ 55" screen size.
Depends on individual also, some might find 70" too big at 8ft.

Hmm 50" ~ 60" should be more than sufficient, but what about the quality?
Will 8' watching distance of lets say 60" be a horrid?

Quality? If you're using Full HD projector then it'll be great.

60" at 8' is ok. Why do you think it would be horrid?

If you can push your chair back even better because it will enable u to have a bigger screen.

I'm just worried that it can end up too stress to watch at that distance.
Will do more measurements and then decide.
Thanks guys, at least I know that 60" is achievable safely.

No, it wouldn't be any stress. 60" @ 8' means your ratio is 1.83x screen width which is higher than the minimum recommendation of 1.5x screen width.

BTW, my ratio is 1.63x screen width and it's fine for me.

knn....tis word very sensitive lah.

For the record, aint from them

I will check about this HD20. Once I have the info and confirmation of shipment, I will create a bulk for it. Then, you guys may form an orderly queue for it Priority will be given to megatron007 and probably ar188 (afraid that HD20 too peasant for him)

please blame your kawan engrund suddenly got legend word there....

I just get an Optoma HD82 demo unit from a local dealer for a day. I can tell you the 3D pop is very good. Kungfu Panda looks exceptional on this projector as you can see the fur standing out and very 3D like. I'm going to get this but need to check if coming 120hz 3D is upgradable for free? If not, going to wait until end of this year for the 3D model.

After tuning, I feel the picture quality is even better than my plasma tv.

Good news.

HD20 will be here in early August. Bad news is that it is abt RM6K mark

that's bad news...

hi pierreye
when you tested the hd82 did you find the screen too bright? when i tested it, the screen like sometime bright sometime dark. further more, there is a bright circle outside the black line. to me i am new in this but it just does not perform like what i expected. may be the setting is not right.

What's your screen size? I'm using 114" with 1.4 gain. I feel the brightness is just nice. If you have circle outside the black line (Halo), I believe the problem is due to sharpness control and also puredetail. Turn off sharpness and pure detail. All this is useless for HD movie and actually degrade the picture quality. Pure motion is only useful for animation such as Kungfu panda but for normal movie, turn it off as the movement is a little bit too smooth like watching video.

When you mention the screen sometime bright and dark, it might be the Dynamic black setting. Use cinema 1. If you still feel the effect due to iris movement, you can fine tune in the service menu to tone down the effect. I had make some adjustment on 1/4 step lower to reduce brightness changes effect. Dark Knight would be the torture test for dynamic iris projector. After lower the 1/4 step setting and watching dark knight (Where joker blast the swat van), the effect is no longer noticeable.

Did you watch Kungfu Panda with this projector? The pop is unbelievable. Even the dark scene where Tylang breakout from prison is very good.

This post has been edited by pierreye: Jul 21 2009, 12:00 AM

I have not buy yet still in the shopping around as this is the first time setup. speaker and amp all ready.is only left the screen and projector. I test the HD82 at Hifi shop with 80' onxy screen so cannot play around with the setting you mentioned.
For screen I have tested the stewart, os and onxy and I hardly see vast different between these screen but the projector.
For RS10/20 the green color very vivid and the black is good but not as natural as the older model RS2. furthermore I think jvc wanna fight with DLP so they make it brighter than before. for a stereo guy like me, jvc more like our definition of "analog", movie like.
Try also the mitsubishi 7000 in singapore and the darkness and color is good but was told that after sometime the lcd lens will turn yellowish as under ther heat.
For infocus in83, it has the DLP strentgh, very "digital" very high defined screen but pricey too
so far I see the optoma HD82 has the best of all in term of pricing and performance. color is vivid and darkness is good. but it hold me back when i see the sreen brightnes keep changing and the "halo". it stop me from there. I dunno where to audition again in KL as I dunno who is carrying this product and have demo it.
If you know any place that i can audition it again please let me know
regards

Wah projector really difficult to upgrade, can't put extra unit in other room... only 1 room per home. And bulb life still remains.

So fast moving

DLP has more pop.....Kungfu Panda 2... can we have more pls

It is Mid August. Any word on the street price? Listed as USD999 = RM3500

Bad news. Heard that it is going to be retailed at RM6,499

how come so expensive? must be disti wanting to make super profits

HD20 still the cheapest FHD projector at this moment..AFAIK

May be getting from Singapore is cheaper?

just checked singapore is near 2.5k SGD
btw which type of screen i should go for using this projector? matt white or grey

heard A&L got it for demo?

btw guitarman on AVS said tis baby is really good vs $

Hmm time for an upgrade??? Anyone want my hd65??

After reading this forum, I when over to optoma website to do some study..

Sharing the below link for information.

http://asia.optoma.com/News/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=57


Product features
http://asia.optoma.com/product/ProductDeta...==&Type=Feature





This post has been edited by ehl: Sep 4 2009, 12:57 PM

Has anyone consider the Sanyo PLV-Z700.

Selling like hot cakes in Malaysia. Left 2 units only. After that, have to wait for weeks for next shipment

So 'sellable' ar HD20? Can't afford now ler, have to wait a bit first hehe

htkaki starts selling HD20 ?

If you want, I can arrange that for you. Not a problem. Pls PM.

htkaki how much is HD20?

UGPM

PM me also how much is HD20? Friends might be interested.

HTKaki,

Please PM me best price for HD65 and HD20

wah really hot cakes judging from the inquiries here..

just want to find out how many HD20 users are there in here. Also would like to know what HD20 user feels about their projector?

I plan to get HD20 from ebay, it costs RM 4300 inclusive of shipping, is it a good buy?

definately a good provided it will arrive in malaysia safely and tax free ( MY tax on projector i think is 30+10% if not mistaken)

http://gizmodo.com/5381731/1000-1080p-proj...vivitek-h1080fd

vivitek better wor..





Shootout:
Vivitek H1080FD versus Optoma HD20

http://www.projectorcentral.com/vivitek_h1...ctor_review.htm

Vivitek's H1080FD and the Optoma HD20 are the first two 1080p projectors to retail for under $1000 at launch. These two projectors share some common features, as both are portable DLP projectors with very similar brightness and contrast specifications. Both have 1.2:1 zoom lenses with fixed throw angles. Both offset the projected image by 15%, and should be mounted on the ceiling or between the seats. But there are some key differences between the two.

Lumen output. The H1080FD is rated at 1800 lumens to the HD20's 1700. That's not much of a difference, but in actual use there is more of a spread. The H1080FD's 1607 lumens in Bright mode is much brighter than the HD20's 954 lumens, and makes the H1080FD more flexible for use in ambient light. In their respective theater modes, the two projectors are much more similar, with the H1080FD measuring 712 lumens to the HD20's 633. In practical terms, the two projectors are on equal footing when calibrated for home theater.

Contrast. The H1080FD and HD20 have similar contrast specifications - the HD20 is 4000:1 while the H1080FD is 5000:1. However, when placed side by side, the difference shows - the H1080FD has noticeably higher visible contrast than the HD20, making the images on that projector more dynamic and three-dimensional than those on its competitor. The HD20 had a deeper black level, but overall its contrast does not quite match that of the H1080FD.

Color. If you want a projector that you can simply plug in and start using, the HD20 is your best bet. Out-of-the-box color accuracy is far better on the HD20 than it is on the H1080FD, and the projector needs very little adjustment to reach its peak. However, if you don't mind a little fine-tuning, the H1080FD has brighter, richer, more vibrant color post-calibration than the HD20, so do-it-yourselfers who don't mind fiddling with the picture adjustments will prefer Vivitek's offering.

This post has been edited by ar188: Nov 1 2009, 10:03 AM

Projector no tax. I had confirm with the custom.

you mean no duty.. sales tax is 10% , checked the tariff code already..

This post has been edited by ar188: Nov 1 2009, 10:09 AM

That's excellent news.

no duty got 10% sales tax

Still cheaper than buy in MY, after 10% sales tax.

After adding 10% sale tax, it will be around RM 4700, plus virtually no warranty,

eh... I need to think twice...

but MY HD20 is more expensive ...if not mistaken, it's almost 6K above right?

Yeah I think around 6 - 6.5k

saw demo at A&L bangsar. looks great to me. Although they using grey screen that cost RM4k++

Think might get that instead of a larger TV...

is it a good buy compare to hd65? i mean for the price rm3k different,is it really worth it?

i using hd65, on a screen of 106'', superd.
till now i watch dvd in a movie theater environment, thx to optoma.
the quality really nice.

anyhow the hd20 price really a big gap to compare with my old one.

I've ordered Vivitek H1080FD after reading on the review from http://gizmodo.com/5381731/1000-1080p-proj...vivitek-h1080fd

Will be getting it by month end with my full hd glass bead screen.
If performance is good, maybe can do a group buy.

bos, you order from where?

bro just wondering if u know what is the price diff between the two bulbs in malaysia and can u pm me Vivitek's price in malaysia?

u mean the lamp for hd20 and h1080fd?

Bro,how much?if the price is good maybe i'll get one too.

How much is the optoma HD20? Interested to it.

IIRC, the RRP sld be RM6,499 or lower

RM6,499 is expensive if convert from USD$999. Hopefully it will below RM5,000.

At this moment and even in coming 3-4 months, I do no think there is a possibility of HD20 hitting below RM5K price tag.

I got offer HD20 RM4.5K for US set

My HD20 is on the way to KL from U.S, it costs me RM4.1k from ebay seller. I wish it can skip the custom tax ...

mine include shipping & tax

bro, it's rm3.5k for us price after convertion..
so it's something like paying rm1k for shipping + custom tax...
haha quite nice offer... limited unit?

Why? U interested?

interested but no $$$
then bro u alraedy order 1?

yup want to order & now still waiting for my friend to joint me
to order it coz got discount RM100 each if order more than 3 set.

Not discount US $ 100 for more than 3 sets ah...

Got my HD20 in 4 working day from U.S,
and super lucky me is, it didn't kena custom tax at all
everything is working fine, will do more test tonight.

wow bro, please post your review and some screen shot to poison us

Wondering how any users going for hd20 ?

last time i was thinking ask my cousin who temporary working at UK to bring back a unit for me... it's more expensive compare to US but it's still cheaper a lot compare to malaysia..lolz... too bad he cant make it...

You can still use vpost to ship from Amazon back to Malaysia for around RM4K+

ooh i see bro... but what if kena tax? then it should be around 5k+ right?

And it is still cheaper than market price, right? If you have friend in SG then can get their help to bring it over lah

haha bro 4k and 5k big different for me la
i dun have friend in SG la...
got a auntie in SG but not v close 1

This is my first projector review, I don't have any home theater projector experience before, so I can say I'm just a noob here

My setup is

HTPC - ATI RADEON 5750 GC HDMI output to HD20
Media Player : PowerDVD 8.0 playing BDISO
Projector Screen : eh....my wall is my screen the wall is a little bit yellowish... so don't expect the picture quality is good


I'm actually waiting my new house to be moved in, will build a dedicated home theater room soon, so with the very poor environment setup, the Optoma HD20 still pretty impressed me !

1. Excellent resolution, very clear picture, I won't said the picture quality is top notch, but it is pretty good even projected on the yellowish wall, once it is going through fine tuning and color calibration, it should be even better.

2. Image is kinda like 3D pop up, the black level is still not so good, watching some documentary movie, certain dark scene was not actually black, it show dark grey color.

3. The projector is pretty hot, I have to turn on my aircon, but it is pretty quiet if you don't turn on the bright mode. I hardly hear the fan sound, my aircon even louder than it.

Below spoiler is the screen capture, my Canon Ixus 55 couldn't do fast shuttle in the dark scene, so images are kinda blur.



This post has been edited by Kiding: Dec 10 2009, 11:02 PM

The picture is not bad even not properly setup.

No. there is no tax for pj

so guys where did you order it from???
ebay or amazon???
i checked both amazon and ebay and they dont ship to malaysia.
Please help!!!
cheers...

I got it from ebay, if they don't ship it to Malaysia, you can use vpost Malaysia to get it from U.S

Which ebay seller did you get it from? I assume he ships to Malaysia since you got yours in 4 days. Was shipping expensive?

Upgrading bug hit you?

Doubt jchong would be interested in this one, when he already owns a full HD PJ that is in a different league.

Yes, since he already has Pana AE-3000. HD-20 is like a downgrade