Check this out guys. Cheapest 1080p projector using DLP. Support 1080p24. If anyone can bring this in for less than RM 5k than this would be a hot seller for upgrade from 720p. I'm going to hold my HD82 purchase until more review for this unit is out.

Anyway, I had an audition for JVC HD350. Based on the review I had read, the demo is a little bit dissapointing. I'm not sure if the demo unit is having problem as it doesn't show the attribute as mention in the review. So I'm back to 1080p projector.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....=1155084&page=6

This post has been edited by pierreye: Jul 9 2009, 10:59 AM

500:1 is ANSI contrast. Still higher than JVC RS10 which is 300:1. On/Off should be 3500:1.

1. black level is not up to my expectation. Need to fully close the iris but still not reaching what I would consider inky black. RS2 actually beat the rs10 in this area in black level.

2. I'm from DLP projector and I would say DLP projector still have the WOW factor in the picture quality. Somehow I feel DLP projector had more 3D pop in high contrast picture.

3. A little bit blur to my taste. DLP still sharper. I read a lot of review saying that the sharpness is acceptable but not too me. I don't feel my 720p DLP projector is loosing in term of sharpness.

4. Color is over saturated. My BENQ 720p projector is tuned using colorimeter and greyscale is almost perfect and color gamut dE is less than 3. Anyway, since it's a demo, I do not have time to tune the projector but even then rs10 can't have a perfect color decoding due to lack of 3D CMS. So out of box, it's not perfect.

I suspect the demo unit is defective as it doesn't tally with most of the review. So I would suggest you all view the unit first before buying.

I just get an Optoma HD82 demo unit from a local dealer for a day. I can tell you the 3D pop is very good. Kungfu Panda looks exceptional on this projector as you can see the fur standing out and very 3D like. I'm going to get this but need to check if coming 120hz 3D is upgradable for free? If not, going to wait until end of this year for the 3D model.

After tuning, I feel the picture quality is even better than my plasma tv.

What's your screen size? I'm using 114" with 1.4 gain. I feel the brightness is just nice. If you have circle outside the black line (Halo), I believe the problem is due to sharpness control and also puredetail. Turn off sharpness and pure detail. All this is useless for HD movie and actually degrade the picture quality. Pure motion is only useful for animation such as Kungfu panda but for normal movie, turn it off as the movement is a little bit too smooth like watching video.

When you mention the screen sometime bright and dark, it might be the Dynamic black setting. Use cinema 1. If you still feel the effect due to iris movement, you can fine tune in the service menu to tone down the effect. I had make some adjustment on 1/4 step lower to reduce brightness changes effect. Dark Knight would be the torture test for dynamic iris projector. After lower the 1/4 step setting and watching dark knight (Where joker blast the swat van), the effect is no longer noticeable.

Did you watch Kungfu Panda with this projector? The pop is unbelievable. Even the dark scene where Tylang breakout from prison is very good.

This post has been edited by pierreye: Jul 21 2009, 12:00 AM

Projector no tax. I had confirm with the custom.

I had a Carada Brilliant white 1.4 gain screen. Fix screen is the best. So far I'm very satisfied with the screen.

Anyway, I'm selling my BENQ W6000 Full HD projector. Check out the link below:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1317355

The On/Off that you see on the chart is only with Dynamic turn off. The tuning need to be done with DB turn off. After the tuning, I turn on DB which help to improve the black level. Black level on dark scene is quite good with better gradient in dark scene. You can see the difference by turning off the dynamic iris to compare the scene. I'm looking to get an Optoma HD86.

If you are talking about Phil review from AV forum, I had to disagreed with him on the picture quality. He rated good for OTB picture and good too for after tuning. He also rated RS10 good for picture quality. I had to rate very good for W6000 for after tuning PQ. RS10 is not close to W6000 after tuning as I had watch the unit in my HT room. Also he mention that the iris is very noisy which I don't feel so. Can you hear the iris? Yes, if you display a total black scene then switch to very bright scene. If you are using test pattern in this manner, you can hear the iris noise. But normal movie session, the iris never move in extreme position so you can't hear the iris noise. Also, I had make some adjustment to iris max and min position to even further minimize the iris movement effect. I had watch dark knight SWAT team scene few times and I can't really see iris movement effect. But you know the iris is working as the dark background scene is very good. One advantage of W6000 iris design is it can open/close at multiple step. If you consider the default range +12 to +84, that's quite a lot of range to play around. HD82 dynamic iris is only either open/close (2 steps), but no intermediate steps. My friend own a Panasonic AE700 and he also confirm that AE700 dynamic iris is either open/close. Not sure on AE4000 but I believe should multiple steps as you need the multiple range to minimize the iris movement effect.

Now I'm tuning the CCA and based on my first run, although I can get quite a good CIE gamut at 75% brightness, 100% saturation, but after asking few ISF calibrator in AVSForums.com, they advice me to redo the calibration at 100% brightness, 75% saturation. Well, Calman 3.6 can't do this and according to the developer, they will release this option in ver 4.0. So now have to use a manual spreadsheet to calculate. The reason to go for 75% saturation is most digital display do not have a linear tracking from 100% to 0% saturation. And most of the movie doesn't display 100% saturated color. So it's best to get 25% to 75% close to the gamut than 100%.

If you are interested, here's the CIE gamut after tuning CCA based on first run.



This post has been edited by pierreye: Feb 4 2010, 02:10 PM

Didn't give much attention to HCFR. Will try that out anyway. The dynamic iris I don't see any issue except when it close down, the subtitle brightness will drop. I normally don't set subtitle at 100% white but at 60% white so it's not so obvious. Just get one 1080p that you can afford and wait out for 3 years for LED DLP to be affordable and mature.

This post has been edited by pierreye: Feb 4 2010, 05:55 PM

PhatLight should use RGB LED as this eliminate colour wheel thus no moving parts = less problem. Also should eliminate rainbow effect for those who is sensitive. It can also reduce typical DLP noise as current technology use on/off mirror to simulate color gradient. LED brightness can be adjust in multiple step based on the voltage. But LED technology still in infancy so I expect at least 2-3 product cycle for a more mature and mainstream product. 30,000 hours lamp light should last you for more than 10 years. My dream is LED DLP with 3D technology at 1080p, 700 lumens at best mode, CMS, 1000 ANSI contrast and at least 15k contrast ratio.

This post has been edited by pierreye: Feb 4 2010, 07:25 PM

Possible but wait for 5 years loh...

You should try out Vivitek H5082 or H5080. This is a clone of HD86. Should be the next level of DLP projector. One warning on getting good PQ full HD projector, you can no longer play lower quality movie. It will show all the flaw of the movie. Just like high end audio, garbage in, garbage out. You need very good source to really appreciate the PQ. I try out some older movie on W6000, and you can really see the film grain on those lower quality pq movie.

I don't think that's the unit. It should be Vivitek H5080 = Optoma HD86. The lens is interchangeable with DC3. LED Vivitek would be at least 10 times more expensive then Vivitek 1080FHD according to US pricing.

Vivitek H5080 is 3 times more expensive then 1080FHD based on US pricing. Currently the firmware for H5080 and 1080FHD support CMS but no greyscale adjustment which is kind of disappointment to AVS forumer. Their tech support promise a future upgrade of firmware with greyscale tuning but not sure when.

Anyway, just an update on CCA tuning for W6000, I had tune it as close as possible to Rec 709 and skin tone now is superb. First time I see a projector with skin tone that's better than my 50" Panny plasma tv. If I would get another projector or tv, CMS capability would be one of the major criteria. Thinking back the color for JVC RS10 is really screw. If you want LCOS, you should get at least RS20 with CMS.

This post has been edited by pierreye: Feb 10 2010, 11:12 AM

I'm more interested in AE4000 performance. Before I get the W6000, I'm considering AE4000 as one of the shortlisted projector. But after my friend that own an AE900 and audition an AE3000, he warn me that the pop might not be as good as DLP projector which is why I stick back to DLP. Luckily I do audition an RS10 before buying so I know what to expect from JVC LCOS camp compare to DLP. LCD had been improving leap and bound for the past few years so I'm really curious what can the LCD offer today.

As for the CIE chart from Calman might not look that good on chart but 25% to 75% saturation is quite near to 709 with dE less than 5 for luminance. There is no perfect projector so if you really picky, there's always something to complain. I wouldn't claim W6000 is the perfect projector as I believe HD86 had higher ANSI contrast thus better 3D pop. If you can get your hand on AE4000, we can arrange a shootout with W6000. I really like to know the difference.

This post has been edited by pierreye: Feb 10 2010, 04:40 PM

Yeah. I know mys_terious had order the AE4000. Initially he want to get my W6000 but I ask him to go ahead with AE4000 as I can't confirm the quote for HD86 from US at that time. I'll pm him to check if he is interested in shootout. Maybe help him to do the calibration during the shootout will attract him

Just send him a PM and see if he interested. Anyway, if the shootout is on, I can only do it after CNY. Got party to organize so not free for shootout.

Update. Just get confirmation from mys_terious that he'll bring the AE4000 to Penang after CNY. We'll arrange again. So, anfieldude bro, you in? Can do it at my house as I lazy to unscrew my W6000 from the mounting.

This post has been edited by pierreye: Feb 10 2010, 06:51 PM

OK. I'll check with him after CNY.

Anyone with JVC LCOS projector want to join for shootout. We can compare all 3 diff technologies and their strength and weakness. Easier to make decision in the future based on your preferences.

18th I can't. Not in Penang. Can we do it either 21st or 28th? We need more time to tune AE4000. At least 2 hours to tune greyscale and CMS. Unless anfieldude can do it faster. Normally I let projector to run at least 30 min before tuning.

Anyone with HDMI switcher with 2 HDMI output? Easier to do A/B comparison without plugging/unplugging the HDMI wire.

This post has been edited by pierreye: Feb 12 2010, 08:29 AM

My friend is looking for HD65. I ask him if interested.

Check bluejeancables or monoprice. Their price quite good. Some model can do auto switch.

If below 5k then should be ok but above you might want to check out Mitsubishi hc3800

This post has been edited by pierreye: Feb 12 2010, 09:08 PM