kids

ok people carry on....u r smart enuf to judge for urself

Peace lah, bro.

Erm.... on this setting abt 'Large' or 'Small', the SVS Subwoofer Quick Start Guide and Problem solving leaflet mentioned that we shall set to 'Small'

Guide #7 : Initial audio/video receiver settings : Ensure your speakers are enabled in your AVR's setup menu, including the subwoofer naturally! If adjustable, set your AVR's bass management to 80hz and set all speakers to 'Small' to ensure optimal use of your sub and speakers too.

Unless we have Revel Ultima Salon 2 or similar speakers for all round, then diff story ler.....By then, I would surely buy Wilson Benesch Torus (Infrasonic Generator) ... Okie... time for me to dream on

Here is how the specialist from REL ( one of the best name in sub) would recommend you set up the sub.


It is helpful to know that you will almost always connect the REL to the input on the rear panel labeled “Hi Level.” The purpose of connecting to the speaker output terminals is one of the unique secrets of REL’s success. By connecting to the high level input on the REL from the amplifier, you build forward the sonic signature of your main system, including the tonal balance and timing cues of the entire electronics chain. In this way, the REL is fed the exact signal that is fed to the main speakers.

Theater and Film Applications:
For Dolby Digital AC-3® or other 5.1 theater systems, once the standard set-up for two-channel outlined above is complete, the LFE output from the processor or receiver should be connected to the low-level input and appropriate gain adjustments made. It may be necessary to take the crossover out of the low-level input using the “mode” switch if extra upper bass output is called for. Keep phase consistent with what was selected during high-level set-up by simply choosing the corresponding setting (1 = 2, 3 = 4). For this configuration, you must set the processor to the “large” or “full range” setting for the left and right speakers in order for the REL to receive the bass signal via the high-level cable. In this configuration, the REL provides support for both the left and right speakers for two-channel listening, and support for the LFE when movies are playing. Most processors will allow you to defeat the subwoofer output when listening in the two-channel mode. The effect of this set-up is one of greatly increased dynamics in the mid-bass range; no bass bloat; and a greater degree of space and timing from the Foley effects. For an even greater sense of space and impact, a second woofer connected in parallel to the center channel will prove to be a dramatic improvement as well. And if that is not enough fun, a rear sub, both to support the rear channel speakers as well as to evenly distribute LFE through the room, truly completes the full-range sonic picture for state-of-the-art film reproduction. A comprehensive set-up paper for home theater will be coming very soon.

This guy really confused .....maybe bcoz he knows too much

Anyway for u people who doesn't understand what "REL" is talking about, that is totally a different setup using SPEAKER LEVEL INPUT and not LINE LEVEL INPUT as most of us use for sub connection.

My point is that there more than one best way to connect the sub or speaker setting for the AV? It all depends on your speakers and sub capability. Simply saying that the best way to is to set the speaker to small when you have a sub is just not true.

For line level input to sub (using avr sub out)...setting all speakers to small still the most recommended setup

Just don't be afraid to try out other setting. Life is like a box of chocolate, you never know what you gonna get!

To be outstanding, you have to be extraordinary!

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 25 2009, 02:10 AM

Whoa who whoa take it easy HT seniors. I wanted to ask the same question as what TS asked. I don't have woofer but i set my speaker size to LARGE, so i have the better bass respond and better soundstage.

....toothache

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Added on June 25, 2009, 2:10 amGood call bro

This post has been edited by arremie: Jun 25 2009, 02:10 AM

Would it be correct to say that its an absolute waste to buy a full range floorstander speakers if we gonna pair it with a sub? Afterall all we gonna set it to small speaker so technically a bookshelf is more than enough?

Really need expert advise on this.

i am no expert but i have things in my mind to share, correct ,e if i'm wrong.

I think for a floorstander, even if we set to small, doesn't mean the sound is small. Compared to a bookshelf, floorstander details is higher because the driver is bigger and gives better details compared to the bookshelves. But we still need all the kaboom, bang, boom sound from the woofer. Woofer > floorstand in bass/low frequency

if puny floor stand like mine set big or small also doesnt matter

sound still crappy

Setting to small simply means the low bass frequency is not sent to that speaker. Exactly how much low bass is cut out depends on your AVR. In my Onkyo the cross over is user selectable, so for my mains I set to small and cross over at 40 Hz, meaning only 40 Hz and above is sent to the mains.

As for my sub, the LFE is set to 100 Hz meaning sub will handle all low bass up to 100 Hz.

So, up to 40 Hz handled by sub exclusively. From 40 Hz - 100 Hz handled by sub and my mains. Above 100 Hz by mains only.

I hope the above example clarifies how the bass management works in an AVR.

This post has been edited by jchong: Jun 25 2009, 09:25 AM

Question:
You said: "So, up to 40 Hz handled by sub exclusively. From 40 Hz - 100 Hz handled by sub and my mains. Above 100 Hz by mains only."
You sure about that? All this time I thought when you set Mains to say 60Hz, no matter what crossover setting you have in the SUB, the highest it can go is 60Hz. This is because the bass management in the AVR only sends 60Hz and below to LFE channel, higher freq to MAINS. If your claim is true, I have to reassess my bass management setting. Tq.

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Added on June 25, 2009, 10:24 amjust to share something ... my old yammy avr rx-v595 had all 5 channels factory set to LARGE. I'm not sure what cutover freq actually was for Large and small because the avr won't let you set it. I used bookshelf LCR and when set to large, the sound was fuller compared to small. I left it to Large and was happy with it. Large and small really confusing in this case because why Large setting on a bookshelf give a fuller sound than small setting. What Large and small actually means? Is it just freq cutover or also include dynamic range and other sonic parameters? If the latter is true, it makes sense to set Large for bigger speakers.

This post has been edited by putih: Jun 25 2009, 10:24 AM

You have a point there, but a lot of good bookshelves speakers use the same drivers as their bigger brother floorstanders and some bookshelves even have 2 mid-bass driver. Since the mains are not really required to produce heavy bass, getting a good set of bookshelves speakers would be cheaper.
And also cutting out those low frequency to the mains will effectively reduce all the kaboom, bang , boom sound form the main.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 25 2009, 10:58 AM

Sorry.. Tumpang a question here..

Even though using same drivers for both bookshelves and floorstanders, are they being set at the same crossover level?

Not necessary

Per my understanding LFE and base management is not the same. LFE is from the .1 channel while the base management is for the 5 channels. When you set the speaker to small and cross over frequency to 40Hz, all the signal from the 5 channels that is below 40Hz will be send to the subwoofer. Now for the LFE channel, when you sent to 100Hz, those signal above 100Hz from the LFE channel will be truncated. Usually you set this to the max (120Hz) and only will set it lower when you face some humming noise.

There are 2 separate settings for bass management, one LFE for the sub and one for all the rest (main, center and surround). You might be confusing between the two. For the mains, if you set at 60Hz that means only 60Hz and above will be played by the mains. Then in the separate LFE setting for sub, if you set at 60 Hz that means only 60Hz and below will be played by the sub.




To some extent it makes sense that "when set to large, the sound was fuller compared to small." When set to large your AVR will send full range frequency to your bookshelf speakers. So the performance is only limited by your bookshelf potential. So if your bookshelf can play down to 50 Hz then it will reproduce down to 50 Hz as sent by the AVR. However, if you set to small then maybe your AVR cuts off at 80 Hz (this will depend on your AVR) which means your bookshelf only playing 80 Hz and above and won't sound as full.

As to what large and small means, I think it is just freq cutover. But exactly what is the freq it cuts over that will depend on your AVR.

This post has been edited by jchong: Jun 25 2009, 04:35 PM

for the bold letter, do u mean the built in crossover in sub?