guys, just wonder about the business in breeding these fish. How do they actually earn the money from this fish? I have one friend who actually build 2 big ponds just to rear and breed this fish, for commercial usage, to earn money. I wonder how do those ppl who do this kind of business actually earn money thru this fish? thanks for sharing just curious to know.haha

1st you should ask ur friend about it , why he has the initiative to build 2 ponds just to breed fish .

TS, if you really honestly have a friend who rares the fish, then there's no purpose of creating a new thread to ask for informations here. Your friend there has a better answer compared to anybody in LYN. Unless if you are planning to share the informations with us here.

Try PM-ing http://forum.lowyat.net/user/ParaOpticaL
He had been active in fish breeding (but don't know whether or not he rears keli)

Anyway, this is their topic: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=404328&hl=

well, my friend does do this kind of business but is far from my hometown though. Of course i can ask him, but whether or not he will tell me is another thing, that's why I would also like to gain something from you people about the opinion and sharing here.

Hi Jo3y666

I am rearing keli for wholesale/retail market in Selangor mainly. Your question can be answered in a straightforward manner, we buy benih keli, rear them for sometime (45-60days) and resell. Sounds like easy money? Depends on how you look at it, with the right determination, effort and technique, it can be a lucrative source of income.

rafizi: ya, the fish can grow quite a big size in just 3 months' time. Can i know how you actually earn the money by reselling it? To whom that's the question?

how about breeding the talapia
sounds interesting
btw, i like to know more about the keli industri

looking forward to have my own pond~~

feeding cost is not cheap

I got fren who doing catfish, it depends... he did feed 2 - 3 times a day, but the fish cannot growth, maybe he selected wrong benih or maybe his pond not big enough.

unless u got a clear technique how to breed them, it will be risky with zero knowledge of catfish breeding business.

can i know to whom ur friend sell this fish to earn money? Who will buy and how much can they really earn by selling ikan keli? I read newspaper that they are people who actually earn 5 figures per month by selling worms too..that's surprising

the main thing is not supply.

we can grow the supply.

who wanna buy ?
to whom shall we sell to ?

@rafizi: Do u make benih urself o jz buying?

Jo3y666: Actually depending on the quality of benih and feed, you can achieve maturity in slightly less than 2 months. Reselling is just like any other product in the market, wholesale and retail. Depends on the scale of your project, you can resell to just the restoran/pasar near your area or even faraway places all over the world he he. Take note the variation of price between wholesale(trader/pasar borong) and retail(pasar/restoran), as retail attracts a higher price but usually lower volume. U also asked about worms, actually it is not selling worms(although it is done also), but rather the product of the worm ie vermicompost, a sort of organic fertiliser.

Masta-Killa: turnaround time for talapia is 8 months on average. It is quite a popular fish for aquaculture, as any old pond will do (preferably with running water source). However u must make sure u got some income for that 8 months, or plan your production so u can get output at least on monthly basis, your customers will appreciate u more if u are consistent

alessamourner: this is expected already, some ppl make a living just by being broker for fish feed. There are solutions to this.

erronous: Usually the benih is not at fault, most common is low quality feed (low protein) or like u said size of pond. But dont get it wrong, the bigger not always better *hint* hehe. Benih problem can be spotted in early stage (high death ratio).

Nelsonboy: back to marketing 101 also logistics, they come pickup or need to transport? must plan properly or later even u got big market and big supply, everything go crazy.

eprince: I am buying at the moment, but looking to make my own once my hatchery is completed.

Mmm...i tot of rearing catfish before too. too many questions on my mind.

1. Do we need to put the air pump? Filter the water? If yes, how long have to change the water? The setup cost of it.
Can I do it in the house compound but limited of space coz want to do it small first?

Different people will have diff views on this. But personally I feel you DO NEED to filter the water. This also doubles as oxygen supply(output of the water filter). This is important during early stages(1st month) as the young ones are not yet 'experienced' and need as much help from us possible to survive. Setup cost depends on what u want, all kinds of tanks available from RM200 all the way to RM20k and more! Sure you can do it in your house compound but again, plan your output and dont overpromise so not to disappoint your customers. Can start with supplying to restoran in your areas, their requirement is usually lower and get higher price compared to pasar.

Are there any guidance how to do it small? Like a manual for newbies. If got guidance, maybe can have a clearer picture.

catfish do live in air xjernih rite, coz my father angkat punye friend buat juga..haha
everyday eat their own ikan keli

probably for the baby fish needs clean water...i heard that too that catfish lives in any water environement.......that's why need to know further. catfish is nice esp goreng...heh...

Nearby my house, in taman equines, it has many shops to do this kind of bus...

Yes there are lots of books regarding rearing keli from small to large scale, but in the end they are just in theory. U can even start with very minimal cost <RM100 or so. Junkyard will usually have the polytank for home water supply or maybe even hardware shop sell used ones, just get that, buy around 100 anak keli and a bag of starter feed plus the regular filter system for aquarium. U can also come to my place to get some info. PM me for tel. no.

Masta-killa: Keli will live in any kind of water. But problem is when we are doing it big scale (>50 tanks), the smell can murder u So it is on our interest to keep it clean. The keli meat will also taste better if it lives in clean running water. There are other things to monitor about the water such as Ph level, ammonia content etc. Speaking in relative to other freshwater fish like kelah, kelisa etc. then keli definitely less manja to water quality la

rafizi seems to be very pro in this kind of business..hehe.. and yeah! rearing ikan keli in a big scale really smell terrible

haha...keli how much can sell 1 kg ? tilapia price better or keli ?most chinese dun eat keli.

yup..that's the thing that i want to ask too.

ONCE OF MY MALAY FRIENDS IS DOING TIS, INVESTMENT 8K STARTING... THEN FEED THEM IS VERY EASY I THINK... AFTER FISHES BECOME BIG THEN CAN SELL BACK TO THE SUPPLIER

You can say it is sweet smell of success coming your way hehehe.

Canopies: price range from RM3.00-6.00 depends on the type of customer. If you can compete with prices from Tesco/Carrefour etc it is considered OK. Yes most chinese don't eat keli, but then I cannot even satisfy demand of malay market hehehhe. Tilapia price definitely better but turnaround time for tilapia is too long if you are doing small scale. I have a bit of tilapia I harvest from time to time to supplement keli. I give you guys 1 clue, tilapia and keli have something in common, their type of meat. This is the key to a bigger market (worldwide)

the price range for RM3-6 is it in per kg?

is the market for malay ppl that big? what's ur average of sales then per mth? heh...

This post has been edited by maxsteel2001us: Jul 1 2009, 12:16 AM

Hmm i heard singapore is buying more expensive then malaysia n even more higher demand of the catfish..
Yeah 1 of my friend doin it.. He juz started with 3 canvas pond..
But a question.. For the breeds..
-do u require running water ??
-and wht type of food u feed them ??
Coz i heard got alot of foods like pallets and also organics ??
Which 1 is better in terms of fish growth n qualities ?

He said no need to worry about buyers coz the breed supplier will buy back from him..
He also asked me to invest but im not sure.. coz i wanna see the turnover 1st..

yea, and one more thing, to start making the business big require a big capital oso right? are there any ways that can make us do the business with small capital yet a handsome earning? i saw in www.mudah.my before that, there are people who actually sell baby keli for RM0.05 each for 1 inch if i am not mistaken. If i were to sell it in 2-3 months' time at the range of RM3-6, i have just earned many hundred percents! LOL..is that really possible?

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Added on July 1, 2009, 11:52 amperhaps rearing worms seem to be the least budget of business that can earn quite alot of money? comments anyone? because i don't want to spend so much on a business full of uncertainties though..

This post has been edited by Jo3y666: Jul 1 2009, 11:52 AM

tagging this topic. very interested to explore this field as well.

wow.. seems interesting business...

oops sorry forgot to put /kg. Yes it is about RM3-6 per kg. Average sales I can say, makes it worth to breath the stinky water day in/out and break your back harvesting la hehhe. Funny you should ask the market size of malay segment, what is the demographics of malaysia anyway Basically what you see at pasar borong, pasar biasa, pasar malam, tesco, carrefour, giant bla bla is not enough.....

4lenAngel: You are right, Singapore has higher demand as well as price. They are getting from big taikoh in JB/melaka. Some have approached me too but seems due to transport cost, it is not economical (i think they just greedy la since market in SG easily dbl price heheh). I donno maybe one day we can agree on something. Running water is good but not necessary. Just need regular change of water after a few days. Food, a few types but myself use regular pellet. Be careful out there lots of conman claiming to sell high protein la, organic la, high growth la, feed once only la all kinds of nonsense. What your friend referring to is contract farming. If they guy u signup with is good n trustworthy, ok la if not, they will just leave u high n dry after selling their stuff to u, not even answer ur call when buying back time (more often this is the case I'm sorry to say). Worst still they accuse you of not following their method la, using other ppl fish feed la all kinds of excuses so they dont hv to buy back, be careful.

Jo3y666: Hook up with restoran/pasar in your area, if u rajin enough u can even do sales in the pasar ur own. I always see ppl with just old kancil go to pasar, park their car and open one bench selling a box full of keli, in half a day all sold out. But need to 'siang' the fish there la usually if u selling direct to end user. Then u don need big modal, just enough to buy 3-4 tanks and plan your output so u get constant supply everyday. Don't plan to strike rich in one shot after a few months, u sure fail I'm telling straight to you because u dont have confidence from your customers/market. I say around RM2000-3000 modal OK oredi. Also, don't buy any anak keli less than 4 inch, death rate is higher. Thats what they dont tell you when u go for kursus etc, bcos after that they expect u to buy tiny tiny anak keli from them U can get 4 inch around RM0.10-RM0.15.

Worm pun OK but to me the cost is higher, last time I check a kilo of african nightcrawler selling around RM250/kg!!!

Ask yourself and the friends around you this

"You like to eat catfish?"
"You like to have catfish in your aquarium?"
"Your cat like to eat catfish?"

I think you should be able to find the answer on why your friend is breeding cat fish.

How much capital needed to invest in worms?? i heard that it takes too long than catfish to grow up.. n yeah i heard the turnover is high..

not very sure about the modal for the worms breeding though, that's why have to ask expert rafizi.. haha.. however, worms sounds easier to rear and care compare to ikan keli though.. and african nightcrawler is one of the great species as they are highly demanded these days, so RM250 per kilo is not surprising though.. hehe

i did some worm breeding mainly the African night crawler species. The worms will double itself in 2 months provided everything is done right but mortality rate is high, i lost some 20-30 worms in the past 2-5 days myself. RM 250 per kilo is bull,now you can get it at 130 per kilo

Ermm sounds interesting.. Initial investment ??

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Added on July 2, 2009, 1:47 amI dont like to eat catfish..
Tell me if u can get me Red Tail Cat Fish .. then i'll rear Catfish in the aquarium..
My cat is Vegetarian.!!

This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Jul 2 2009, 01:48 AM

around RM 200. Note, dont expect a substantial return from worms unless you can wait it our for a year or two. and the market is getting too saturated

I have not much experience in worm/fertiliser industry but one common thing i found with most agricultural biz people, they tend to think for short term gains. Get in and cash out quick. Result is usually low quality products and no economies of scale (cannot meet market demand at suitable price). I have heard of people being chased out by farm/nursery when trying to promote their vermicompost, while at the same time I have friends doing vermicompost too who are flourishing and have satisfied customers. The same pattern occurs in keli, tilapia, lintah, belut......u name it. It can be a lucrative biz but if u dont have right mindset and determination.......

I am also in the bussiness of small scale cucumber farming. One good thing from these keli and vegetable thing is that you can feed your worm with dead organic matter for transformation to fertilizer hence it is like a full cycle

I agree,.. wht u've said juz now.. think for long term..

long term = investment
short term = trade

try this Rajawali marketing for more info..

this is another good strategy to sustain your biz. A good integrated farming I have seen is Cendawan->Cacing<-Pisang. All 3 products and their by-products are not wasted at all. In fact in countries like India where organic farming is huge, cacing farming is not done on its own but rather a side income to process their waste, usually they will have banana/mango etc plantations. So raw material is never purchased but found in abundance. Very few people startup businesses solely for rearing cacing n produce fertilisers. Thats why in Malaysia many cacing farmers bungkus because they rely on 3rd party for raw material, and they are usually expensive. I have seen people selling 1kg vermicompost for RM5. Come on, u wanna compete with chemical-based and trusted products with that price????? Aiyoh off topic already heheh but just hope that what I've written maybe of some use.

4lenAngel: Rajawali looks like a good company. Focusing on branding and packaging eventhough their products are available elsewhere. This is the way we should think. They are based in JB so I smell something big heheh. The fact that they have been highlighted in this forum shows potential.

Yes i agree with you. Infact buying from supplier for food from worm is a no brainer. Take a look around your neighborhood market. They are literally throwing out food for your worm . Just look at the amount of vegetable discarded per day. If they are smart, they would have already tie up with restaurants to obtain those vegetable from them. I have done this when i was doing garbage enzyme where i politely ask a restaurant to supply me those discarded limau and they happily comply with my request

anyone know where can i get African Nightcrawlers? btw, there are too many earthworms available everywhere..haha..perhaps rearing them can earn profit too? these worms are not just for vermicompost purpose, those who love fishing will be interested to buy these worms as baits too as these worms are the universal baits.. but, can earthworms be well-marketable as well?

IMHO, the earthworm market and its byproduct is getting too saturated . Everybody is trying to jump into this bandwagon now

are regular earthworms OK for composting, IINM the earthworms are 'burrowing' type of worms, so you will have leftover 'uneaten' medium on top. There could be a market for earthworms, but you will really have to tie up with kedai pancing/kolam pancing as they are the only consumers i can think of.

There a specific type for earthworm. Some are either surface eater or burrowing type. Well if you want to compost you can use any of them but of course some would say that this is better than other. Information on the web are widely scattered and inconclusive.

Hmm, no more questions about keli? Not lucrative or too risky??

lol..rafizi are you doing this business currently? how consistent is ur earning then?

rafizi..will get back to u...interesting to know more about this keli thing....

it seems that this keli business is getting known to many and many people are doing this business already. I think within a few months it is going to be a very competitive business..lol..

rafizi..can i come to your farm and learn how u do it?
i can give u cheap labor for 1 month also lol

@rafizi: may i knw wer is ur pond location?currently keli market ard how much per kg?

of course I am doing this la haha, my intention is to share info on keli and aquaculture in general but looks like this thread a bit cold, so i cucuk a bit hehe. Even if I say I am earning RMxxxxx where is the substance in just typing in this forum. Anybody welcome to my pond in Semenyih. Just PM me to get my phone number. It has already been a very competitive business because keli is a hardy fish, not manja like saltwater fish or some freshwater ones like ketutu/soonhock. So u see many people 'jumping' into this line. But jumping and surviving and jumping then dying are 2 diff things Also, the selling price is not as attractive as other high value fish. That's why production planning and volume is important, I myself make mistakes even today I missed a 200kg shipment because overlook my capacity and orders.

x13u5t3r: u serious aaa heheh. can come to my farm no prblm, free labour have to think first, maybe u spy from other farm want to kacau hahah just kidding.

eprince: main production in Semenyih but I have friends around Selangor that welcome u to visit too. market price i think mentioned before, but roughly RM3-3.50 borong for good quality ones. Below that....there is something wrong watchout

ps: those wanna visit should do early next month, bcos I will not be in Malaysia nxt week until end of month.

Hey bro Rafizi apart from doing keli.. we're planning to do ''Puyu'' (no idea wht its pronounced in english..) as well.. and wht we got to know is ROI is higher thn keli.. But lots procedures to be done such as water treatments..
U have any ideas how this goes ??
Well as wht i learned Keli - 1 kg = rm 3
Puyu - 1 kg = Rm 10 ??
Hmm guess no harm trying..

Ok. Anyone here want to borong my friend keli, can do that by calling him at 012-6065357. His name is Adi. He can support 1 tan a day. The price is RM 3.40 for 1 kg. His pond is in Merlimau, Melaka. Anything to ask, call him tapi cakap melayu, he cant understand english much. Huhu.

This post has been edited by yestrdy: Jul 13 2009, 11:52 PM

Ikan Puyu.. in english called Climbing Perch @ Anabas testudineus

can google to see the pic of the fish..

But i heard this puyu takes time to grow up.. any advice ??

Puyu is another attractive option, but needs about 7-8 months to mature! Considering that, many people prefer to rear higher value fish such as ketutu(soonhock), the ROI will be higher. Some of my friends started doing ketutu on the side since late last year already rubbing their hands waiting for CNY heheh wang mariiiii.

Porkism: The market is sophisticated nowadays. There is no value for fish being fed with chicken/pig insides (yes for the muslim readers, there are keli being fed pig insides). It is also easy to spot fish being fed with fish pellet or animal insides, just take a look at the belly, if it is yellowish then something is not right.

Alright ur back ... where have u been ?? suddenly MIA..

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Added on July 15, 2009, 10:17 pmBro Rafizi.. i wanna ask u how is ur production ??
Usually how many kg's u produce a week/ months ??

This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Jul 15 2009, 10:17 PM

the rest of this month i will be in/out of Malaysia so my postings in here will not be regular. Feel free to call me, just PM for my mobile number. As for production, I am putting out 3 tons/week but hopefully to increase to 7tons/week in 2-3 months. Mind you 3 tons a week is not a big amount, for commercial/economies of scale we should plan to produce at least 2 tons a day. By then we will have room to maneuver in terms of pricing and competition.

U have ur own land?? ok lets say for tons of prod... how many canvas ur having now ?? and wht size ?
I have around 25 canvas. But juz started.. if im goin for weekly production as well.. how many canvas i need ?can guide me through this ?
For the moment im at kl..
But im doin in at kulim,kedah...

And ur suppliers is satisfied with u ?? i heard many people saying suppliers are so demanding.. they might ask u to follow their procedures only if not they wont buy ur fish back..yes as for me i feed my fishes with pallets. and i dont know wht else they'll ask for..
usually for per tons, how much profit u'll get ?

This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Jul 17 2009, 04:25 PM

Yes I own the land. I am not doing it in canvas, therefore i cannot say how or what u need to meet certain production. Before using canvas, have u figured out the stocking rate and characteristics of keli in canvas? On average, one round of harvest for keli is every 2 months. U need to divide the 25 canvas u have to roughly 4 sections, put the benih keli into one section every week and keep doing for 2 months, u will eventually get weekly production. That is a rough idea, there are many ways to go about it. You also need a spare canvas or two for grading/separation work.

I do not understand what u mean 'by suppliers demanding and wont buy fish back'? I assume 'supplier' means the person you have entered into a contract with? Sounds like they are not willing to buy back your fish? There are A LOT of cases where contract farming is just a convenient scheme for people to sell benih ikan, canvas, tanks, food etc without intention of buying back, EVER! I am not implying that you have been conned, but possibly that person has some issues and he is not able to buy back. Whenever entering into a contract, please have them add a clause, 'if they do not buy back within so and so period(say a week), you have the right to sell the fish to anyone else.

Go the extra mile, do your own marketing on dont rely on people.(unless they have good track record or is a genuine pemborong ikan). Market price for fresh keli ex-farm in KL is RM3.50 for pellet fed, and RM2.50 for 'ehem ehem' fed Also depends on quantity, price can go as low as RM3 for pellet fed, how much profit is up to you how you control the cost. If anyone require assistance selling off their fish in Klang Valley area can contact me, but no promises that I can offer a good price, as transport/supply/demand/quality factor comes in. I have my own to sell too

Ok understood.. By the way if ur not doin it canvas ? wht u using then ?? is there diff where it will effect the growth of fish ?? juz like for puyu they're saying using cement ponds and lake will make a difference in terms of growth.. wht bout for keli ?
And another thing is i dont have land.. so im planning to do it in shop lot..
Will there be any problems if the fishes dont have sun ??
Advice needed bro.. im really thinkin of goin big..
Anyway the 25 canvas i juz ordered few days ago..
Advice needed Bro Rafizi..thank u very much..

Yes, the type of containment used is a great factor in determining growth of fish. The best is definitely its natural environment ie kolam tanah. But the cons is difficult to harvest unless u use cage. Growth of fish mainly depends on the water quality(pH level, ammonia, other minerals), stocking rate (to cramped is no good) and is the water running(actually not that important for keli, only for others like tilapia). Sunlight is good for growth of plankton and other microorganisms in the water, but it can heat up the water and kill fish, especially dangerous if u use polytank or any plastic material (canvas too). pH levels also fluctuate in open air pond. Other than that I dont see problem doing it in shoplot, but at least have some lighting. If u are renting the shoplot, that may eat into your profits later. Myself, I use polytank for the young ones as it is easier to do grading, then transfer them to cement kolah for later. I cannot say canvas is a bad thing, but to me the construction cost and u cant really fit in many fish in 1 canvas. Apart from that there are many successful keli farmers using canvas.

ermm ok.. actually the shoplot doesnt cost much..coz its unsuccesful.. so the cost of rental went really low as less thn 500/month for 3 storeys. So guess thats a best option.
We juz have to see wht size of canvas we order to accomodate the quantity of fishes..Well can be done even for big sizes ryt ? for the moment i juz ordered not sure the measurement.. but can go till 2000 fish per pond. btw bro i'll drop by to ur land to learn more.. Tunjuk ajar sikit sifu.. hehe
I need to learn bout the water conditions such as Ph etc.. some that may b taken into account.. Cautious la .. hehe

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Added on July 18, 2009, 10:12 ambro btw where is ur land ??

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Added on July 20, 2009, 5:40 pm Hmm... y all so silent ?? Our Sifu rafizi of country.. and no 1 anymore ?? Hehe..or not interested anymore..

Anyway those doin this bizz can leave the names/nick and location so that we can TT altogether to discuss more ??

First of all is me ...

1) 4lenAngel. ( NEWBIE ) Taiping(keli) & Kulim(Puyu). Most of the time will be at KL
2)
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This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Jul 20 2009, 05:44 PM

hello bro...im doing tilapia merah n keli.. but still in 'cuba-cuba' process.

Oh ok.. how long alrdy ?? Hows the progress ??

Just curious, how about rearing koi? I met someone at Bentong doing it. According to him, very lucrative. Cause big koi is expensive, can get upto thousands. But getting to even rm100/koi is already lucrative enough. However, i do not know how long it takes for a koi to reach a foot long? Anyone doing it?

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Added on July 23, 2009, 12:17 amWHen do you guys buy the canvas? I am thinking of building my koi pond using liner. How much is canvas? Are they long lasting?

This post has been edited by lainux: Jul 23 2009, 12:17 AM

Hmm no idea.. i heard about ppl rearing koi..
1 of it is at Sentul.. Sentul Park Koi centre.And by famous group of YTL.
i heard that we need to be patient in order to see the changes. Normally, it will only show its true potential after the age of five.

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Added on July 23, 2009, 3:40 amHmm.. May b u can try this link.. Koi

Good Luck..
Btw Canvas saves ur space n time.. but make sure the canvas treated b4 letting ur fish in.. the chemicals might kill the fishes.. But it depends on how u take care of the canvas..
some of the steps u can do is juz put some sand below the canvas..
As i knw canvas can last long for 6 years..more or less..

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Added on July 24, 2009, 12:36 amAnyway is there any Catfish whole buyer here ??

This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Jul 24 2009, 12:36 AM

hello... everyone.... hope i can a little or 2...
rafizi seems like u are pros in this field.. but, i m just a regular hobbist that looking for fish food supplying... do u guys supply fish foods, like daphnia and tubifex worms in selangor area.. i know a company in Johor is doing this and supplying to singapore.. but, i m looking for supplier in selangor or klang valley.. pls enlighten me on this...
btw, i m from serdang... vr near to pasar borong selangor..

It seems that aquaculture is getting more and more exposed to Malaysians. From what I read, currently, the demand for the fishes are still ok. But what do you see in future? Will it be saturated or in the same condition as vermicompost, where many ppl is doing it?

I'm still doing research on this and will keep track on this forum so I hope you guys can share your results and experience here.

Is vermicompost really saturated?

Yup VermiCompost market is saturated.. But no idea about Catfish markets.. some signs says it.. Nowdays the pallet costs are high. So to start this bizz make sure to attend the right course and make a right decision wht fish to rear.
And my opinion is to attend a course where they teach how to make own pallets..

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Added on July 30, 2009, 5:11 pmBro Rafizi need ur advice plz.. im rearing my catfish in Canvas 15x6x3.
And the fries i bought from 3''.
Usually how long will it take to be matured and be sold.. i have no idea some says 70-75 days.. some says 30 - 45 days .. some says 60 days.. :S so confused regarding this.
Usually urs matured in how many days? and u buy the fries from how many inch ?

This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Jul 30 2009, 05:11 PM

what is cat fish called actually in chinese?

those i know of called it ' tho sat' in hokkien, but i still not sure if it is 'pak sou gong' in cantonese...

someone can help verify?

if not mistaken its called Nian ke?? or Nian Yu ?(mandarin i guess)
Im not sure bout this.. im not chinese..but my friends used to call like that.. hehe..
yeah tho sat is in hokkien.. hehe from penang also..

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Added on August 1, 2009, 6:13 amHmm Our Sifu(Rafizi) supposed to be in country 2day..

This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Aug 1 2009, 06:13 AM

OK if u keep the rental cost low thats fine. in theory stocking rate for keli is 25 ekor per sq feet. IMO if u are rearing it for fun, go ahead and follow that but commercially it is not viable. I am putting about 100 per sq ft. I am not a sifu, just sharing what I have discovered from my own trials and errors. Reading books and kursus means nothing until u actually do it so dont be afraid of bending the rules, something they are wrong or not practical.


aikk nickname siakap but doing tilapia n keli? what happened to siakap hehhe. FYI i plan to venture into freshwater siakap/barramundi soon, still finding the suitable pond. your tilapia in kolam tanah i presume?

koi is good too. it is less sensitive compared to kelah and can be done in simen kolam. not yet seen anybody doing in anything else. growth is slow though, to get 1 foot length takes about a year roughly. if u r worried about long lasting, invest in cement kolam

sorry, i am also researching into my own fish food. would also be interested in worms for feeding my soon hock


everybody says this market saturated, that market saturated. why dont u actually do some research and marketing on it, for example vermicompost. Why exactly do they say it is saturated? too many people doing it, or doing it wrong in the first place?

theoretically each of ur canvas will fit abt 2200 keli. this is fine if it is just for your consumption hehhe. something as big as that should fit 8000-10000 for commercial scale. i am not sure if there is a limitation for canvas, i really hv no experience with it. it is also possible that there are strict rules to stocking rate in canvas. how many days depends on how u wanna sell it. 6 ekor per kilo only takes 45 days, 2 ekor sekilo obviously longer at 90 days. Do not buy fries less than 4 inch, the ratio of death is higher.

my hokkien friend calls it tong sat alright. not sure about other dialect. it is called lele in jawa if that helps heheh.

Huh Now 4 inches ??? I heard 3 inches is ok already as the death ratio will be lower...

I read thru all the post and found out that it is very interesting. But i am not involved in this field yet (still a student).
Wait wait.. I hear someone mentioned Koi? Koi edible? My dad rear Koi behind our house, using cement pond and a fountain with lotus kind of plant on the water. Just curious that Koi are rear for the purpose of wad.

Catfish biz in Vietnam is striving and i know/seen biz there grew more than 10 in 3 yrs due to demand for fish fillet in EU.

Koi for eating? Have not heard of it, mostly for ornamental. Tasty or not heheh

There's not enough supply for fillet in Malaysia as it is, be it keli or tilapia etc.

I heard that there's not enough supply even for only the Malay community for keli. anyone can verify that?

i saw a 2 in 1 biz...rear keli and frog at the same time. dead frogs can be feed to keli and dead keli can be fed to frogs. no wastage.
they are doing in singapore ..

I've been saying that all along??

2 in 1, 3 in 1, 10 in 1 pun ada, no need to go to singapore, plenty in Malaysia.

Hi rafizi, Are you doing anything else except keli farming?

Some trading in agriculture produce but mainly fish/aquaculture

oh, What agriculture venture now? Speaking of which, Is clay soil suitable for plantation?

When there is sufficient demand and supply, i trade la hehe. Can be anything from sayur or fruits or fish. Is it really clay soil or because there used to be somekind of lombong there? Tanah lombong is considered OK for any kind of plantation but only if there is no other alternative or u can get the place for free IMHO. Really need to see the condition, if too sandy then u will have problem with baja, as it will not hold nutrients. If it used to be sawah padi, u will have problem with pH levels (usually too acidic), then u can buy zeolite to neutralise it from me heheh just kidding. My suggestion is leave the tanah naturally and rear fish/udang!

Hope we dont go off topic here

Technically speaking it is a Clay Loam type of soil. Does the type of soil affect aquaculture?

Hello Bro Rafizi finally managed to visit ur farm.. Hmm so good to see that..
I've started my catfish at Semenyih as well.. hehe in a single storey shop..
Can i Invite you to visit my place to get some advice from u ??So Far So Good..hehe..
Ur asst gave me a good speech n advice.. Hehe say thanks to him and send my regards.
Btw bro i still have alot to learn from u...

Hello 4lenAngel,

u rear keli too...how's the biz? tot wana ask u how do u start the biz at first? does it need a lot of capital for the 1st mth or 2nd mth?

Soil type in general does not affect aquaculture unless it already has an underlying problem (example certain land because of its history is too acidic for aquaculture or any kind of plantation). Because clay soil has good water retention it is easy to contain and control the fish rather than any plain soil.


The farm just entered its 2nd phase of construction so I am sorry if things were a bit messy. Sorry we did not get to meet but I am honoured you visited. Which part in Semenyih? Give me a call and I will be sure to drop by!

bro rafizi, is there any good suggestions/advices for student like me to actually make this a successful business? getting interesting here, as many are actually discussing more openly about this business. If possible, show some realistic steps for us to follow as well. I'm sure many are interested to know too! Thanks in advance!

Hi All,

I want to start bela ikan keli in my house garden. May I know where can i buy the canvas? My garden is about 50x100feet only.
Please advise the price and place to buy

Thank you!

Albumster

OK i give an analogy. U open one handphone shop. sell nokia, sony bla bla. each handphone maybe u can profit RM10 max. so u manage to sell 10 handphones in 1 day, ur profit rm100. Lets face it, that's not gonna make u a millionaire

it is the same with ikan keli. For those not in the know, ikan keli is amongst the lowest priced fish u can buy. It basically has no value. Go to indonesia and u will understand, keli/lele is considered ikan longkang. So to be realistic, something like this needs to be done in volume. Just like the handphone, u actually see hundreds of handphone shop in one place. But in reality they are all owned by 2 maybe 3 towkays. This is because they wanna focus on volume, basically handphone is no value item. Dont confuse with the RM3000 bling bling phones, those are niche targeting anak orang kaya.

I am not guru to show u step by step. I did not go to bling bling college hehhe. If u ask me, just like Nike motto, JUST DO IT. Then u will slowly learn the in and outs. But u already have the key, which is VOLUME.

Dear albumster,

I am not canvas salesman but u are free to visit my place to see how things are done. No obligation to buy hahahha.

Rafizi,

Thanks for the invitation. May i know where your farm is? I will drop by to check out your place.

Woo! Max RM10 profit for each phone? Bro,i am not trying to argue with you but i just want to tell you that it's not the case.I'm not sure how come u said that but i have been in handphone line for 9years+ now. It's very true that handphone business nowadays is really bad bcoz it's like everywhere also got handphone shop. Too many competitor. But,it's not until like i can get MAX RM10 profit only.That's ridiculous isn't it? The current lowest profit margin phone is Nokia 1202 which i am selling at RM99 and i get RM14 profit.This is a very basic and low end phone so of course the margin is low. But let say if i sell higher end phone like maybe Nokia E71, SE W995 etc i can get profit at least around RM50-RM70 for each phone.If it's not very branded like LG,i-mobile etc the margin is even higher.
Some places they might mark-up around RM20-30 only bcoz there are too many competitors in their area BUT,sadly to say that some of them will change the accessories in the package for example they change the battery to non-original one.And why they do that?See below;

Non-original compatible battery selling for RM15-20+
Original battery selling for RM70-100+

If the seller change the battery and sell the original battery for RM80,the seller get another RM50-60 profit from it.This normally happen at shopping malls bcoz those area have too many competitors and the rental is very high so in order for them to survive they do that.
(so for those who planning to get a phone,try not to get the cheapest one and just make sure the package is all original stuffs.)

Ok let's talk about SURVIVE.IMHO,in most of the business if not all,VOLUME is the key to survive and to generate profit.Same goes to handphone business. But tell me,there are so many handphone shops around,it's everywhere..so how many phone can one shop sell? Even if u sell it dirt cheap like what u said MAX RM10 profit, do u think it will attract a lot of people to buy? No i don't think so. It's not something that everyone buys every week or month.Even if u can sell it more by getting RM10 profit, it's not a KEY to survive.Why?
For example,a brand new E71 cost is RM1125.Then u sell it for RM1135 and get RM10 profit.Imagine,u have to pay the cost of RM1125 in order to get RM10 profit.I don't call this a business.The margin is not even 10%.
IMHO,the biggest KEY for handphone business nowadays is repair and service.U don't get to sell 10 handphone in a day but u can repair at least 5-10 handphone in a day but of course u need to know how to repair it.The margin for repair and service handphone is fairly good and it depends on ur skill as well.The more u know how to repair,the more u can get profit from it.For me,i think in business,service is always the biggest profit margin.
Secondly,sell accessories.People don't buy handphone everyday but every single person have a mobile phone or two.So u can imagine that how many accessories u can sell and then profit margin is pretty good too.Just try to sell more accessories.


Anyway,no hard feeling bro.Just my 2cents. Cheersss...

[quote=rafizi,Aug 21 2009, 10:30 AM]
OK i give an analogy. U open one handphone shop. sell nokia, sony bla bla. each handphone maybe u can profit RM10 max. so u manage to sell 10 handphones in 1 day, ur profit rm100. Lets face it, that's not gonna make u a millionaire

it is the same with ikan keli. For those not in the know, ikan keli is amongst the lowest priced fish u can buy. It basically has no value. Go to indonesia and u will understand, keli/lele is considered ikan longkang. So to be realistic, something like this needs to be done in volume. Just like the handphone, u actually see hundreds of handphone shop in one place. But in reality they are all owned by 2 maybe 3 towkays. This is because they wanna focus on volume, basically handphone is no value item. Dont confuse with the RM3000 bling bling phones, those are niche targeting anak orang kaya.

I am not guru to show u step by step. I did not go to bling bling college hehhe. If u ask me, just like Nike motto, JUST DO IT. Then u will slowly learn the in and outs. But u already have the key, which is VOLUME.


thanks alot for that advice. and you are right, the idea and the key word is the one i am looking for.

thx bro rafizi.... i visited his farm 2 days ago...it's amazing to see his farm. i get a clearer picture now about the obstacles and hardship he faced as well...he explained to me a lot. thx again.. need to find water source for it if i want to start that biz..... heh...