Hmm i heard singapore is buying more expensive then malaysia n even more higher demand of the catfish..
Yeah 1 of my friend doin it.. He juz started with 3 canvas pond..
But a question.. For the breeds..
-do u require running water ??
-and wht type of food u feed them ??
Coz i heard got alot of foods like pallets and also organics ??
Which 1 is better in terms of fish growth n qualities ?

He said no need to worry about buyers coz the breed supplier will buy back from him..
He also asked me to invest but im not sure.. coz i wanna see the turnover 1st..

How much capital needed to invest in worms?? i heard that it takes too long than catfish to grow up.. n yeah i heard the turnover is high..

Ermm sounds interesting.. Initial investment ??

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Added on July 2, 2009, 1:47 amI dont like to eat catfish..
Tell me if u can get me Red Tail Cat Fish .. then i'll rear Catfish in the aquarium..
My cat is Vegetarian.!!

This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Jul 2 2009, 01:48 AM

I agree,.. wht u've said juz now.. think for long term..

try this Rajawali marketing for more info..

Hey bro Rafizi apart from doing keli.. we're planning to do ''Puyu'' (no idea wht its pronounced in english..) as well.. and wht we got to know is ROI is higher thn keli.. But lots procedures to be done such as water treatments..
U have any ideas how this goes ??
Well as wht i learned Keli - 1 kg = rm 3
Puyu - 1 kg = Rm 10 ??
Hmm guess no harm trying..

Ikan Puyu.. in english called Climbing Perch @ Anabas testudineus

can google to see the pic of the fish..

But i heard this puyu takes time to grow up.. any advice ??

Alright ur back ... where have u been ?? suddenly MIA..

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Added on July 15, 2009, 10:17 pmBro Rafizi.. i wanna ask u how is ur production ??
Usually how many kg's u produce a week/ months ??

This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Jul 15 2009, 10:17 PM

U have ur own land?? ok lets say for tons of prod... how many canvas ur having now ?? and wht size ?
I have around 25 canvas. But juz started.. if im goin for weekly production as well.. how many canvas i need ?can guide me through this ?
For the moment im at kl..
But im doin in at kulim,kedah...

And ur suppliers is satisfied with u ?? i heard many people saying suppliers are so demanding.. they might ask u to follow their procedures only if not they wont buy ur fish back..yes as for me i feed my fishes with pallets. and i dont know wht else they'll ask for..
usually for per tons, how much profit u'll get ?

This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Jul 17 2009, 04:25 PM

Ok understood.. By the way if ur not doin it canvas ? wht u using then ?? is there diff where it will effect the growth of fish ?? juz like for puyu they're saying using cement ponds and lake will make a difference in terms of growth.. wht bout for keli ?
And another thing is i dont have land.. so im planning to do it in shop lot..
Will there be any problems if the fishes dont have sun ??
Advice needed bro.. im really thinkin of goin big..
Anyway the 25 canvas i juz ordered few days ago..
Advice needed Bro Rafizi..thank u very much..

ermm ok.. actually the shoplot doesnt cost much..coz its unsuccesful.. so the cost of rental went really low as less thn 500/month for 3 storeys. So guess thats a best option.
We juz have to see wht size of canvas we order to accomodate the quantity of fishes..Well can be done even for big sizes ryt ? for the moment i juz ordered not sure the measurement.. but can go till 2000 fish per pond. btw bro i'll drop by to ur land to learn more.. Tunjuk ajar sikit sifu.. hehe
I need to learn bout the water conditions such as Ph etc.. some that may b taken into account.. Cautious la .. hehe

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Added on July 18, 2009, 10:12 ambro btw where is ur land ??

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Added on July 20, 2009, 5:40 pm Hmm... y all so silent ?? Our Sifu rafizi of country.. and no 1 anymore ?? Hehe..or not interested anymore..

Anyway those doin this bizz can leave the names/nick and location so that we can TT altogether to discuss more ??

First of all is me ...

1) 4lenAngel. ( NEWBIE ) Taiping(keli) & Kulim(Puyu). Most of the time will be at KL
2)
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This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Jul 20 2009, 05:44 PM

Oh ok.. how long alrdy ?? Hows the progress ??

Hmm no idea.. i heard about ppl rearing koi..
1 of it is at Sentul.. Sentul Park Koi centre.And by famous group of YTL.
i heard that we need to be patient in order to see the changes. Normally, it will only show its true potential after the age of five.

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Added on July 23, 2009, 3:40 amHmm.. May b u can try this link.. Koi

Good Luck..
Btw Canvas saves ur space n time.. but make sure the canvas treated b4 letting ur fish in.. the chemicals might kill the fishes.. But it depends on how u take care of the canvas..
some of the steps u can do is juz put some sand below the canvas..
As i knw canvas can last long for 6 years..more or less..

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Added on July 24, 2009, 12:36 amAnyway is there any Catfish whole buyer here ??

This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Jul 24 2009, 12:36 AM

Yup VermiCompost market is saturated.. But no idea about Catfish markets.. some signs says it.. Nowdays the pallet costs are high. So to start this bizz make sure to attend the right course and make a right decision wht fish to rear.
And my opinion is to attend a course where they teach how to make own pallets..

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Added on July 30, 2009, 5:11 pmBro Rafizi need ur advice plz.. im rearing my catfish in Canvas 15x6x3.
And the fries i bought from 3''.
Usually how long will it take to be matured and be sold.. i have no idea some says 70-75 days.. some says 30 - 45 days .. some says 60 days.. :S so confused regarding this.
Usually urs matured in how many days? and u buy the fries from how many inch ?

This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Jul 30 2009, 05:11 PM

if not mistaken its called Nian ke?? or Nian Yu ?(mandarin i guess)
Im not sure bout this.. im not chinese..but my friends used to call like that.. hehe..
yeah tho sat is in hokkien.. hehe from penang also..

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Added on August 1, 2009, 6:13 amHmm Our Sifu(Rafizi) supposed to be in country 2day..

This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Aug 1 2009, 06:13 AM

Huh Now 4 inches ??? I heard 3 inches is ok already as the death ratio will be lower...

Hello Bro Rafizi finally managed to visit ur farm.. Hmm so good to see that..
I've started my catfish at Semenyih as well.. hehe in a single storey shop..
Can i Invite you to visit my place to get some advice from u ??So Far So Good..hehe..
Ur asst gave me a good speech n advice.. Hehe say thanks to him and send my regards.
Btw bro i still have alot to learn from u...

Hello albumster...
I've juz started.. and i have some friends did the canvas for me.. i did 15x6 canvas with solid steels frame.

Its at industrial area.. further in from a village..sorry as the shop is my friend's. so i still dont get the address.
Yeah sure i'll give u a call.. I should be honored to u.. Thank you very much.

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Added on August 27, 2009, 8:05 amHello maxsteel,Yeah i rear keli too..at 1st i see hows the market..when i make decision to venture in this bizz i see a lot have to be taken into considerations.. and also advices from some ppl who have alrdy been in this bizz for years..so far been to 7 different places and and all of them are really friendly...including Rafizi as well.. they got no objections at all for us to visit their farm..and alot to learn apart from courses and books.. but once u started u'll learn something new as well..

Bro Rafizi allow me to explain something here ?? thanks..

Location

- Locations depends on individual to run this bizz such ur time,cost and maintenance.if u wanna go commercially then u need really big lands.U can do it in canvas if u wanna do it at ur house or commercially.
- Have natural water source like river,or can make ur own water source like well.Pipe water also can but with anti clorine,which will increase ur cost.
- Have a good road link easier to lorry to come in.

-- Fries(benih) - can get as small as 2' - 4 '. Prices depends on the fries quality.. can get from grade A to Grade C. Usually breeders wont sell the grade A fish. they will mix it with grade B fish and sell it to us..we also can see what grade is the fish.. coz Grade fish is those really strong and the growth is really fast,Breeders will keep those to breed again.Grade C is the lowest in survival,growth and weak. If u are juz starting i would recommend to buy from 3' - 4'.The bigger u buy the lowest time u get to harvest.and to decrease the death ratio. 3'' fry i bought at 6 - 10 cents. the more u buy..the lower the price u can get. Bro Raifizi is doin it from 4'' if not mistaken.

-- Foods( pallet ) - Grossly can get around RM 2.00 - 2.50 per Kg.. got few brands.. SUch as DSM(DInding),StarFeed and Cargill(Keli King). It also have stages like starter,Grower and finisher. (price may vary). and also FCR (food conversion Ratio). To see the foods price like this i've made the decicision to do my own food. (still learning) hehe..

Containments

-- Lake Pond -

--Canvas

--Concrete ponds

--Polytank

** Need a good drainage,this is coz too deep the water is not good for catfish coz the fish is the air breather,deep water can effect the growth coz fishes will be using to much time to come up and breath and will be using its enery which will effect the growth . recommended is from 1 1/2 to 3 feet to depends on size of fish.

Type of containments depends on individual maintenance,cost n time.

Markets

Nowdays market for catfish is from RM3.00 lowest to RM4.50.(pallet foods)
Rm 4.50 usually the price they'll give us if we have our own transport to supply the fishes to the company.

RM2.50 - 2.80 is for non pallet feeds.

I think this some of the things that have to be taken into considerations ...

Correct me if im wrong in certain areas bro Rafizi..


This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Aug 27 2009, 08:05 AM

SPED loan FROM SME bro ??
Yeah i heard bout it..
And also heard bout SMIDEC Grants ??
U could try that also.. most of my friends have been approved.

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Added on August 30, 2009, 12:32 amBtw bro Rafizi have heard of Villaraya Industrial Park at Semenyih ??
Thats where im rearing my cat Fish..

This post has been edited by 4lenAngel: Aug 30 2009, 12:32 AM