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The Spain National Team Discussion Thread


Nicknames
La Selección (The Selection)
La Furia Roja (The Red Fury)
La Roja (The Red One)

Head coach:
Vicente del Bosque

Captain:
Iker Casillas

FIFA code:
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FIFA ranking:
1

Highest FIFA ranking
1 (July 2008–present)

Lowest FIFA ranking

25 (March 1998)

Records:

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In July 2008, Spain rose to the #1 spot in the FIFA World Ranking for the first time in their history, becoming only the sixth nation and the first who has never won the World Cup to top these rankings.


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The European champions became the first international side to claim 15 successive wins with Saturday night's 2-0 triumph over South Africa in the Confederations Cup, eclipsing the mark jointly held by Brazil, Australia, and France.


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The Squad


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Goalkeepers
1 Iker Casillas (captain)
13 Diego López
23 José Manuel Reina

Defenders
2 Raúl Albiol
3 Gerard Piqué
4 Carlos Marchena
5 Carles Puyol
11 Joan Capdevila
15 Sergio Ramos
19 Álvaro Arbeloa

Midfielders
6 Pablo Hernández
8 Xavi Hernández
10 Cesc Fàbregas
12 Sergi Busquets
14 Xabi Alonso
18 Albert Riera
20 Santi Cazorla
21 David Silva
22 Juan Mata

Strikers
7 David Villa
9 Fernando Torres
16 Fernando Llorente
17 Dani Güiza

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Del Bosque lauds his record-breakers

Spain coach Vicente Del Bosque has backed his all-conquering side to continue going from strength to strength and 'break many more records'.

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The European champions became the first international side to claim 15 successive wins with Saturday night's 2-0 triumph over South Africa in the Confederations Cup, eclipsing the mark jointly held by Brazil, Australia, and France.

The result also saw Spain equal Brazil's world-leading run of 35 games unbeaten, set between 1993 and 1996, and they will claim that record outright if they avoid defeat in the Confederations Cup semi-finals.

It has been a remarkable run of success for the Iberian nation and Del Bosque sees no reason why it will not continue.

When asked if he thought his team's hunger would be diminished in the wake of their achievements, Del Bosque said: "I don't think so. This team will break many more records. Some day we will lose, but until that happens we need to continue enjoying it. I'm proud of this group."

Delighted though he was with the win over South Africa and the world record, Del Bosque admits that he places getting through to the last four of the Confederations Cup higher than anything else.

"I'm happy with both things, but above all getting through to the semi-finals. We've come here to win the Confederations Cup," he added.

Striker Fernando Torres, meanwhile, expects opposing sides to be even more determined to beat Spain in the future.

"We're very happy because we will go down in history with these two records. If they haven't been broken in so much time it's because it isn't easy to do it," he said.

"We know that it's going to be harder each time to win games, that's normal. Our opponents are going to know more about us, and they will also want to beat us because defeating Spain now is like it was before to beat Brazil or Argentina."
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congratz to spain for the record..
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I still remember, about 2-3 years ago, English media blamed their national players not 'patriotic' enough as the main reason of all their below par performances in major tournaments. They praised their rugby players for the way they sang their anthem during the Rugby WC, which they won, and criticized their football players for not doing the same.

But as you can see in this video:



Spanish players were all dead silent as well when their anthem was played. brows.gif brows.gif Do patriotism influence the performance of a national football team significantly? I don't really think so.

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that would be cause the spanish national anthem has no lyrics.. hehe. anyway, looks like we are playing USA in the semi
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broke the record d?huhu..congrats to spain~hope they can win this tournament.
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the only team that cant deny spain win confederation cup is brazil....but from the latest performance....i believe spain can win it...
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we play usa in semi final...
easy task........hahahahaha...
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Grats solstice818 for opening the new thread haha laugh.gif


Just want to share an article from soccernet.com

The alternative Confed Cup awards
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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story...=global&cc=4716

u should read the whole article. got some funny info and stuff. happy.gif

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post Jun 23 2009, 09:21 PM

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spain against usa..
we all know spain going to win..
how much u guys think the score going to be??
i think maybe 4-0..
but if spain on top of their form they should be able to score more than 5..
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yeah...espana all the way....been supporting them since world cup 2002....really sad when got knocked out by South Korea...huhuhu....but when they won EURO2008....damn nice!!!very happy!!!now let's beat USA n march to the final!!!can't wait!!!
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nice thread...spain definitely play nice football this days...but there are still moments when they nearly cant scored vs iraq or south africa played quite positive towards spain..anyway spain vs usa....mostly will be spain through!!

SPAIN VS BRAZIL!!
DREAM FINAL....
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those moments when we cant seem to score, there is always one guy who saves the day.. david villa!! =)


Added on June 25, 2009, 3:18 amUS isn't bad... 0-1 to spain haizz =(

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Now, it's plain for all to see, no? Xavi-Alonso-Cesc midfield combination has heavily exposed our defensive lines with dangers. Against S. Africa, New Zealand, yes we encountered minimal problems. Against the US, well, honestly they are not that good as well, but for them just having a certain Altidore gave them huge advantage over Pique and Capdevila. The midfielders have the responsibilities to cut all supplies for Altidore, and they failed to do that.

I expect del Bosque to do some changes. If not, surely he expects Spain to win with some brilliant set pieces or some lucky breaks. Winning that way is really not the Spain way nowadays. sad.gif

Great turn from Altidore to beat his club teammate Capdevila in making his goal. At least the onlooking Spaniards saw one hell of a talent in La Liga has shown his stuffs tonight.
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f*ck... 2-0 usa. game over? this is sad
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loled laugh.gif
fabregas sub out d...reduce my motivation to watch
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QUOTE(Quick` @ Jun 25 2009, 04:03 AM)
loled  laugh.gif
fabregas sub out d...reduce my motivation to watch
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hehe same here. but just a little, coz i actually support whole of spain, and not just cesc. he is the bonus tongue.gif
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u these days damn free ah
so late havent sleep...sem break?
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a levels over. so i can stay up la =) only prob is that tmr i have to be awake at 6.30 for something. i am gonna be damn zombie tmr then. ah well
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lol...usa won...

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vahh... USA defend so well

final US vs brazil lol
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USA is officialy the the favourites to win it now sweat.gif
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and there goes our unbeaten record sad.gif at least it was confed cup, not world cup. still... sad.gif
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lol..seriously donovan is damn good...why fulham release him lasat time...
and howard also...lol
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great result for the US. onyewu was a beast biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(yfchin2 @ Jun 25 2009, 04:24 AM)
lol..seriously donovan is damn good...why fulham release him lasat time...
and howard also...lol
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should sub in Llorente.. the main forwards were not productive today
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QUOTE(irving @ Jun 25 2009, 04:26 AM)
great result for the US. onyewu was a beast biggrin.gif
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I am very agree smile.gif smile.gif

QUOTE(hammers @ Jun 25 2009, 04:35 AM)
should sub in Llorente.. the main forwards were not productive today
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So agree with you. smile.gif smile.gif

I anticipated that this kind of situation would be coming during this tournament, when I first realized del Bosque brought only one DM to SA. I thought surely del Bosque would opt for more direct approach than usual. But then I was wrong, he sticked to usual tactics, and I know its coming. We can't play like usual without a DM. Just ask Arsenal. Today in particular, will be a bit better if Cesc was the only player who was allowed to roam forward, while Xavi instructed to help out Alonso. Instead, del Bosque played Alonso in Senna's role. That's a big big mistake.

And of course, I will be forever critical of Torres-Villa partnership. I've barked about it in previous thread, and I won't stop. This partnership is overrated and is not working in big matches. It would've surely been better had Llorente came on for Torres or Villa.
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aiya losing to usa....still x percaya ooo....
but still proud what we achieved...
world record 15 match winning streak... rclxms.gif
and 35 match unbeaten.... rclxms.gif

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i still cannot believe usa win against spain . anyway syabas to spain for making to the semis laugh.gif
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they defend well... and take opportunities in counter attacking lol..

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agreed. it really was heroic defending coupled with some very good counter-attacking play. it could've been 3 or 4 nil to be honest. the linesmen wrongly flagged for offside on two occasions where altidore and casey would've been through one on one with casillas. that was after the two went in and it really could've finished with a humiliating scoreline for the spaniards. their play was awfully predictable and one dimensional. the usa coach on the other hand had a very good tactical game plan. totally deserved the win and congrats to them! smile.gif
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better team won the game..

still,i think spain shud not feel too disappointed,they can learn many things through this game..

spain still have some weakness,and it show in this game(no width,poor defending against strong player,etc)

after they fix their weakness,would expect a even stronger spain next game!!!
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well...maybe spain have off day at that time...
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Who played on the right-flank for spain? Was it fabregas?
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QUOTE(skystrike @ Jun 26 2009, 04:27 PM)
well...maybe spain have off day at that time...
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i dont think they had off day that time..
they played well but not at the best..
USA was clearly a better side..
defend very well especially tim howard..
and they take their chance chances very good..

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spain won the third spot,
after beating south africa 3-2
nice goals from both side..

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The Squad


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Goalkeepers
1 Iker Casillas (captain) 
13  Diego López 
23  José Manuel Reina

Defenders
2  Raúl Albiol 
3  Gerard Piqué 
4  Carlos Marchena 
5  Carles Puyol 
11  Joan Capdevila 
15  Sergio Ramos 
19  Álvaro Arbeloa 

Midfielders
6  Pablo Hernández 
8  Xavi Hernández
10  Cesc Fàbregas
12  Sergi Busquets 
14  Xabi Alonso 
18  Albert Riera 
20  Santi Cazorla 
21  David Silva 
22  Juan Mata

Strikers
7  David Villa 
9  Fernando Torres 
16  Fernando Llorente
17  Dani Güiza
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my dream spain international:

GK:casillas
DEF:Puyol,Marchena,Sergio Ramos,Capdevilla
Mid:Iniesta,Alonso,Vicente,Joaquin
Str:David Villa,Torres


Added on July 6, 2009, 7:55 pmDavid Villa+Torres is better than Raul+Morientes last time!!!!

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QUOTE(bienlpr @ Jul 3 2009, 07:12 AM)
Great team, but I still prefering Portugal team with the best player in the world !!!!  drool.gif
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Managed to catch 2nd half of the match against Macedonia yesterday.

I was impressed with their performance, so I certainly have no idea how we failed to get a single goal during the 1st half. Maybe it was because Torres - Villa ineffective partnership again, huh? Maybe hmm.gif hmm.gif Villa was withdrawn at the start of the 2nd half.

Anyway, I should point out that Silva and Cesc brought a lot of creativity into the side. They looked very dangerous at the edge of Macedonia's penalty box. Spain didn't get more goals because Guiza missed several good chances.

But Pique's goal shouldn't be given IMO sweat.gif sweat.gif He had already strayed offside when Cesc shoot the ball.

Top performers for Macedonia were certainly Pandev and Popov.
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Yea, Pique's goal should be offside.Anyway, I like Riera's strike...That goal was nice biggrin.gif
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I feel spain can go winning the world cup if they can improve on their form..
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Hi, nobody is watching? Spain start the match really fierce now. But still, no score.
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WC here we come, we just need another win to make it, against Estonia at home this Wednesday, still carry 100% win
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yeah 3-0 win against estonia (fabregas,cazorla,mata)
south africa here we come rclxm9.gif
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Woot.Another victory,Fab scored!
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hurmmm... still doubt about cassilas.
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10 wins out of 10....Perfect record 100% rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif
viva la espana!! notworthy.gif

this morning 5-2 trashing bosnia...
pique,silva,mata and 2 goals from negredo...
here the report....highlights & goals coming soon...

Bosnia Herzegovina 2-5 Spain: Rampant La Furia Roja Gatecrash Bosnia In Zenica
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The options that Spain has are just ridiculous. Just hope they don't get complacent.
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can say great performance and promising team after five main player left the squad, we can win WC if didn't repeat poor form in Confedaration, be Spain manager will give you headache when you have Mata, Silva, Ineista and Cesc
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big friendly match against argentina this morning.....
show them our fury...la furia roja~ viva espana~
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if im not wrong, xabi alonso scored twice for spain giving spain a 2-1 win over argentina.
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highlight spain vs argentina
*spain and argentina play with their new adidas world cup jersey...looks nice...



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once again, the spanish commentators haha...

Xabi alonso goaled
3 seconds later
*grasp air, GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL*

this is so lol...
messi time also lol. Why they must drag their breath so long and drag the GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.. is this a prerequisite before commentating spanish football?
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5-1 trashing austria.. thumbup.gif
fabregas,villa(2),guiza,pablo

viva espana!! rclxms.gif


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Hoping that the first 2 matches in Spain shirt will be the start of a brilliant career for J. Navas. He has debuted for Sevilla reeeeaally long time ago, and he looks really promising since then.
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Spain's provisional 30-men team for WC:

Goalkeepers:

Iker Casillas Fernández (Real Madrid CF)
David De Gea Quintana (Club Atlético de Madrid, SAD)
Diego López Rodríguez (Villarreal CF, SAD)
José Manuel Reina Páez (Liverpool)
Víctor Valdés Arribas (FC Barcelona)

Defenders:

Raúl Albiol Tortajada (Real Madrid CF)
Alvaro Arbeloa Coca (Real Madrid CF)
César Azpilicueta Tanco (Club Atlético Osasuna)
Joan Capdevila Méndez (Villarreal CF, SAD)
Carlos Marchena López (Valencia CF, SAD)
Gerard Pique Bernabéu (FC Barcelona)
Carles Puyol Saforcada (FC Barcelona)
Sergio Ramos García (Real Madrid CF)

Midfielders:

Xabier Alonso Olano (Real Madrid CF)
Sergio Busquets Burgos (FC Barcelona)
Francesc “Cesc” Fabregas Soler (Arsenal FC)
Andrés Iniesta Lujan (FC Barcelona)
Javier Martínez Aguinaga (Athletic Club)
Marcos Antonio Senna Da Silva (Villarreal CF, SAD)
David Jiménez Silva (Valencia CF, SAD)
Xavier Hernández Creus (FC Barcelona)

Forwards:

Santiago Cazorla González (Villarreal CF, SAD)
Jesús Navas González (Sevilla FC, SAD)
Juan Manuel Mata García (Valencia CF, SAD)
Pedro Rodríguez Ledesma (FC Barcelona)
Daniel González Güiza (Fenerbache SK)
Fernando Llorente Torres (Athletic Club)
Alvaro Negredo Sánchez (Sevilla FC, SAD)
Fernando Torres Sanz (Liverpool FC)
David Villa Sánchez (Valencia CF, SAD).

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No Bojan?
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QUOTE(Ichighost @ May 12 2010, 01:00 PM)
No Bojan?
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He is not needed. Those get listed are more than enough. I bet Pedro and Guiza will not be in the final squad. Negredo is a serious doubt too. I don't think any midfielder will be dropped except Javi Martinez.

Palop is not included as well, kinda understandable decision though. De Gea get the nod, but I think the fight for the 3rd GK slot will only be between Diego Lopez and Victor Valdes.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ May 12 2010, 03:58 PM)
He is not needed. Those get listed are more than enough. I bet Pedro and Guiza will not be in the final squad. Negredo is a serious doubt too. I don't think any midfielder will be dropped except Javi Martinez.

Palop is not included as well, kinda understandable decision though. De Gea get the nod, but I think the fight for the 3rd GK slot will only be between Diego Lopez and Victor Valdes.
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I think Valdes will get the 3rd gk slot...

Last 3 GK:
Casillas
Reina
Valdes

Anyway, I think there's a little too much forwards.The defense looks rather thin.8 Defenders in squad and 9 forwards listed.When it's down to 23men, I hope the gaffer can keep the defenders number> strikers number.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 12 2010, 04:28 PM)
Anyway, I think there's a little too much forwards.The defense looks rather thin.8 Defenders in squad and 9 forwards listed.When it's down to 23men, I hope the gaffer can keep the defenders number> strikers number.
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That is because all wingers are placed in the forward bracket. In midfielder list, all are CM, except Silva. I'm sure during WC, Spain will play with only 1 out and out striker. So it wouldn't be much problem if Spain only bring along 3 forwards to SA.

My preferred final selection:

Goalkeepers:

Iker Casillas Fernández (Real Madrid CF)
José Manuel Reina Páez (Liverpool)
Víctor Valdés Arribas (FC Barcelona)

Defenders:

Raúl Albiol Tortajada (Real Madrid CF)
Alvaro Arbeloa Coca (Real Madrid CF)
César Azpilicueta Tanco (Club Atlético Osasuna)
Joan Capdevila Méndez (Villarreal CF, SAD)
Carlos Marchena López (Valencia CF, SAD)
Gerard Pique Bernabéu (FC Barcelona)
Carles Puyol Saforcada (FC Barcelona)
Sergio Ramos García (Real Madrid CF)

Midfielders:

Xabier Alonso Olano (Real Madrid CF)
Sergio Busquets Burgos (FC Barcelona)
Francesc “Cesc” Fabregas Soler (Arsenal FC)
Andrés Iniesta Lujan (FC Barcelona)
Marcos Antonio Senna Da Silva (Villarreal CF, SAD)
Xavier Hernández Creus (FC Barcelona)

Winger/Wide forwards:
Jesús Navas González (Sevilla FC, SAD)
Juan Manuel Mata García (Valencia CF, SAD)
David Jiménez Silva (Valencia CF, SAD)

Strikers:

Fernando Llorente Torres (Athletic Club)
Fernando Torres Sanz (Liverpool FC)
David Villa Sánchez (Valencia CF, SAD).

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i hope pedro will be chosen at final 23 men.
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final 23 men already release

Goalkeepers: Iker Casillas, Valdés, Reina

Defenders: Albiol, Arbeloa, Capdevila, Marchena, Piqué, Puyol, Ramos

Midfielders: Alonso, Busquets, Cesc, Xavi, Iniesta, Javi

Forwards: Silva, Mata, Llorente, Navas, Pedro, Torres, Villa.

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Didn't expect Pedro go be selected.Anyway, good lineup.No senna though sad.gif

QUOTE(matyrze @ May 12 2010, 12:38 PM)
Spain's provisional 30-men team for WC:

Goalkeepers:

Iker Casillas Fernández (Real Madrid CF)
David De Gea Quintana (Club Atlético de Madrid, SAD)
Diego López Rodríguez (Villarreal CF, SAD)

José Manuel Reina Páez (Liverpool)
Víctor Valdés Arribas (FC Barcelona)

Defenders:

Raúl Albiol Tortajada (Real Madrid CF)
Alvaro Arbeloa Coca (Real Madrid CF)
César Azpilicueta Tanco (Club Atlético Osasuna)
Joan Capdevila Méndez (Villarreal CF, SAD)
Carlos Marchena López (Valencia CF, SAD)
Gerard Pique Bernabéu (FC Barcelona)
Carles Puyol Saforcada (FC Barcelona)
Sergio Ramos García (Real Madrid CF)

Midfielders:

Xabier Alonso Olano (Real Madrid CF)
Sergio Busquets Burgos (FC Barcelona)
Francesc “Cesc” Fabregas Soler (Arsenal FC)
Andrés Iniesta Lujan (FC Barcelona)
Javier Martínez Aguinaga (Athletic Club)
Marcos Antonio Senna Da Silva (Villarreal CF, SAD)
David Jiménez Silva (Valencia CF, SAD)
Xavier Hernández Creus (FC Barcelona)

Forwards:

Santiago Cazorla González (Villarreal CF, SAD)
Jesús Navas González (Sevilla FC, SAD)
Juan Manuel Mata García (Valencia CF, SAD)
Pedro Rodríguez Ledesma (FC Barcelona)
Daniel González Güiza (Fenerbache SK)
Fernando Llorente Torres (Athletic Club)
Alvaro Negredo Sánchez (Sevilla FC, SAD)
Fernando Torres Sanz (Liverpool FC)
David Villa Sánchez (Valencia CF, SAD).

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No major surprises. Senna hasn't had the best of seasons this year and I'm very interested to see whether Javi Martinez can translate his club form to the international stage. It's still an awesome lineup though. Just probably thin at LB which has been the case for a long while now.
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QUOTE(verx @ May 21 2010, 12:54 PM)
No major surprises. Senna hasn't had the best of seasons this year and I'm very interested to see whether Javi Martinez can translate his club form to the international stage. It's still an awesome lineup though. Just probably thin at LB which has been the case for a long while now.
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I fully agree. Sometimes I just can't stop wondering how much more quality can the late Puerta bring into the current squad.

But still, Arbeloa and Capdevila are good enough already. On paper, this team looks near perfect. Just have to wait how mentality strong they are on the pitch.

Seriously, I never thought VDB would pick both Pedro and Valdes (although I did list him in my preferred squad) rclxms.gif rclxms.gif Especially Pedro. From Spanish 3rd tier football, to the WC in just 1 year, that is just awesome.
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Pedro deserved to be in this squad, his one year performance already good enough to be La Furia Roja, at least he show why he deserved to be in the list and everyone can watch his talent, not like Walcott done in 2006

De Gea and Azpilicueta show us a promising gameplay, i think they surely will play in EURO 2012, too bad the are Spanish and too many player better than them, with that talent and still young they can go further
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QUOTE(faris21 @ May 23 2010, 04:55 PM)
Pedro deserved to be in this squad, his one year performance already good enough to be La Furia Roja, at least he show why he deserved to be in the list and everyone can watch his talent, not like Walcott done in 2006

De Gea and Azpilicueta show us a promising gameplay, i think they surely will play in EURO 2012, too bad the are Spanish and too many player better than them, with that talent and still young they can go further
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At times I wonder why Spain have so much good keepers.Besides the usual Casillas, Reina, Valdes, there is Lopez..Wonder if the likes of De Gea and Assenjo can break into the national squad...

Oh..We got Almunia too...although not as talented as the four mentioned, he is still a decent keeper.
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they already got number

1 – CASILLAS
2 – ALBIOL
3 – PIQUE
4 – MARCHENA
5 – PUYOL
6 – INIESTA
7 – VILLA
8 – XAVI
9 – TORRES
10 – FÀBREGAS
11 – CAPDEVILA
12 – VALDÉS
13 – MATA
14 – ALONSO
15 – RAMOS
16 – BUSQUETS
17 – ARBELOA
18 – PEDRO
19 – LLORENTE
20 – JAVI MARTINEZ
21 – SILVA
22 – NAVAS
23 – REINA

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We scored 6 =)
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Super team performance too smile.gif Unfortunately Iniesta maybe is in for another injury set back sad.gif

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jun 9 2010, 02:18 PM)
Super team performance too smile.gif Unfortunately Iniesta maybe is in for another injury set back sad.gif
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They said it's not anything serious so he should be able to make the first game.

I watched the highlights. Delightful cross with the outside of his right foot from Iniesta for the first goal. The second goal was just ridiculous. Poland were chasing shadows literally. The only concern for me is the pressure from being favourites getting to the players. Del Bosque has done well in that aspect; always playing down the tag. You need that little bit of luck for the WC. I'm hoping for the best. smile.gif
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hope nothing serious with Iniesta.. pedro 1st goal for spain anyway.

and Xabi Alonso have a great 2nd half.
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Fernando Torres made a scoring return from injury as substitute in 66"

Go all the way SPAIN... rclxms.gif

Match highlight & SPAIN in South Africa World Cup action

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My prediction.. Spain will win 5-0..
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QUOTE(dfadzli @ Jun 16 2010, 06:31 PM)
My prediction.. Spain will win 5-0..
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Lone striker tactic fail like crap.
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QUOTE(dfadzli @ Jun 16 2010, 06:31 PM)
My prediction.. Spain will win 5-0..
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5-0?
your team already kena 1-0 la bro..
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it felt like Inter Milan vs Barcelona all over again....

Mourinho secretly give tips to Spain's group opponents? tongue.gif
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One of the shocking match so far.. I'm sure germany will win the world cup vmad.gif
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we always sucks in WC, if finish 2nd then we need face Brazil in 2nd round
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3 huge mistakes done by spain

1-villa in the starting lineup instead of Fernando Torres
2-xavi in the starting lineup instead of Cesc Fabregas
2-casillas in the starting lineup instead of Pepe Reina
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I really hope spain can play formation 4-4-2. Torres and Villa upfront. While busquet out. Alonso defence. Just like euro 2008. Or maybe, NO SENNA = GG SPAIN??!
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jun 17 2010, 12:20 AM)
3 huge mistakes done by spain

1-villa in the starting lineup instead of Fernando Torres
2-xavi in the starting lineup instead of Cesc Fabregas
2-casillas in the starting lineup instead of Pepe Reina
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And you think those will change the outcome? rolleyes.gif
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haiyo..why la spain..europe champion..
oh well..better get first place..
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jun 17 2010, 12:20 AM)
3 huge mistakes done by spain

1-villa in the starting lineup instead of Fernando Torres
2-xavi in the starting lineup instead of Cesc Fabregas
2-casillas in the starting lineup instead of Pepe Reina
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QUOTE(messy @ Jun 17 2010, 12:26 AM)
I really hope spain can play formation 4-4-2. Torres and Villa upfront. While busquet out. Alonso defence. Just like euro 2008. Or maybe, NO SENNA = GG SPAIN??!
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i think it more worst, Torres still dont has enough minute for competitive football after get injury, put him in 1st eleven seem not a good idea
about San Iker, i dont blame him for that goal


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Take out pee-kaa-buquets and play Senna (opps. Hes not here)

Ask Pique to pay more attention at defense, not going forward too much.

Playing with 1 striker and unfit Torres is hard esp Navas can only do the Walcotts (Run, anyhow cross, repeat)


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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jun 17 2010, 12:20 AM)
3 huge mistakes done by spain

1-villa in the starting lineup instead of Fernando Torres
2-xavi in the starting lineup instead of Cesc Fabregas
2-casillas in the starting lineup instead of Pepe Reina
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Yeah..spaniards who ply their trade in the EPL are the best.. Nuff said doh.gif doh.gif
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Fab shud play ..
And spain shud use 442 . One striker not enough..

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One striker is enough. The problem is del Bosque loves his 2 holding midfielder. One of them is enough. Xabi and Busquets? Against turtling team? Seriously? Ok, to be fair del Bosque did what he was supposed to do in the 2nd half, but it was too late. By then it was panic mode by Spain. They even start crossing the ball into the penalty box, hoping one of their midgets will get the ball.

Spain won Euro 08 with the same tactics, with one striker and Senna as sole holding midfielder. The problem is the tempo, they lack pace. The players were arrogant and lazy as hell. There's not enough movement off the ball. Reminds me of WC 06 match against France, pass, pass, pass, paa.... pa... zzz bzzz. bzzz...bzzz...bzzz...


QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jun 17 2010, 12:20 AM)
3 huge mistakes done by spain

1-villa in the starting lineup instead of Fernando Torres
2-xavi in the starting lineup instead of Cesc Fabregas
2-casillas in the starting lineup instead of Pepe Reina
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It doesn't matter who he starts, de Gea or Cesar Sanchez in Casillas place wouldn't make Spain any better or worst. Shitty coach is shit.
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Yeah..spaniards who ply their trade in the EPL are the best.. Nuff said doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jun 17 2010, 12:14 AM)
it felt like Inter Milan vs Barcelona all over again....

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i thought this will happen only at semis ... not good for football ...


QUOTE(faris21 @ Jun 17 2010, 12:18 AM)
we always sucks in WC, if finish 2nd then we need face Brazil in 2nd round
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and brazil will grind out another victory against spain ... like what they did against dprk ...


QUOTE(messy @ Jun 17 2010, 12:26 AM)
I really hope spain can play formation 4-4-2. Torres and Villa upfront. While busquet out. Alonso defence. Just like euro 2008. Or maybe, NO SENNA = GG SPAIN??!
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it is because senna is out that del bosque decides to play with 2 dm ...

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i thought this will happen only at semis ... not good for football ...
hmm...defense is also a type of tactics in football match(in fact in every sports)....imo playing good defense is even harder than attacking simply because:

1. you don't know where/how will your opponent attack, its all down to guessing/hunch/instinct...what ever you call it

2. players must have high level of discipline to play defense, one slack/losing concentration will cost the team dearly

3. must be extremely careful since offensive players will have the fouling advantage over defensive players....

still believe the saying: offense will win you games, but defense will win you championships

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i think both team play very well, spain control the game and attacked well but wasted some very good chance. but the swiss show us how to win against a team to are superior to you in every sense, they defended very well with discipline and never panic when under huge pressure by the spanish wave after wave of attack and they score when they have the chance.
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QUOTE(leymar7 @ Jun 17 2010, 12:34 AM)
haiyo..why la spain..europe champion..
oh well..better get first place..
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Spain reminds me of Arsenal...so pretty football but no goals to show in the end..zzz
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jun 17 2010, 09:51 AM)
hmm...defense is also a type of tactics in football match(in fact in every sports)....imo playing good defense is even harder than attacking simply because:

1. you don't know where/how will your opponent attack, its all down to guessing/hunch/instinct...what ever you call it

2. players must have high level of discipline to play defense, one slack/losing concentration will cost the team dearly

3. must be extremely careful since offensive players will have the fouling advantage over defensive players....

still believe the saying: offense will win you games, but defense will win you championships

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if your opponent wants to run pass you, the method for defence is to pay attention to their abdomen ... that's where his center of gravity is ...
if the player is looking for a pass, then the defenders must be good positionally ... discipline and concentration is needed as well ...
if the attacking player has both options, then it's a pain to go against ...

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Yeah..spaniards who ply their trade in the EPL are the best.. Nuff said doh.gif doh.gif
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just look what happened to the game.villa is too selfish and only passed when the ball is beyond salvation

xavi doesn't even remotely do any good to the team

casillas is out of his form lately



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what happended then is then,now what is more important to them is to win the remaining game.
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For me, the mistake was done by replacing Busquets with Torres. I think he should replace Villa instead. The team did well by creating a many chances and openings, but Villa was ineffective, so Torres should be given the baton to lead attack. VDB should not change the whole system from 4-5-1 to 4-2-2. The later formation just forced Xavi to play deeper, and thus reduce his chance to play killer balls more often.

QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jun 17 2010, 03:44 PM)
just look what happened to the game.villa is too selfish and only passed when the ball is beyond salvation

xavi doesn't even remotely do any good to the team

casillas is out of his form lately
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villa?

or xavi?

or casillas?

or all 3?
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1) Poorly executed crosses
2) All except one or two corner kics as grounders
3) No dribbling except for a couple of counter-attacks that failed
4) Overwhelming posession rate that promoted the team to panic when losing possession and being countered-attacked.
5) Single striker strategy wouldn't work well agaisnt the Swiss simply because they had a height advantage - a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 would have sealed the deal.
6) Gameplay was merely to exhibit superiority in passing.
7) All the attacks were made on the right flank, allowing the defence to position themselves comfortably throughout the game.
8) No defence splitting tactics since the Swiss had employed about 6 players in their box during all assaults.
9) And the rest is history..............
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QUOTE(ColdHearted @ Jun 17 2010, 04:53 PM)
1) Poorly executed crosses
2) All except one or two corner kics as grounders
3) No dribbling except for a couple of counter-attacks that failed
4) Overwhelming posession rate that promoted the team to panic when losing possession and being countered-attacked.
5) Single striker strategy wouldn't work well agaisnt the Swiss simply because they had a height advantage - a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 would have sealed the deal.
6) Gameplay was merely to exhibit superiority in passing.
7) All the attacks were made on the right flank, allowing the defence to position themselves comfortably throughout the game.
8) No defence splitting tactics since the Swiss had employed about 6 players in their box during all assaults.
9) And the rest is history..............
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does the spanish defence looks like they panic in the game last night? hmm.gif

now the media is getting stupid, blaming the WAG for the defeat.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/ju...ero-switzerland


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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jun 17 2010, 04:23 PM)
For me, the mistake was done by replacing Busquets with Torres. I think he should replace Villa instead. The team did well by creating a many chances and openings, but Villa was ineffective, so Torres should be given the baton to lead attack. VDB should not change the whole system from 4-5-1 to 4-2-2. The later formation just forced Xavi to play deeper, and thus reduce his chance to play killer balls more often.
Was last night game the first time you watched Spain? doh.gif doh.gif How can you accuse him of poor form by last night performance?
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Spain actually played better when Torres came on so to me that wasn't the mistake.
The mistake was actually having Busquets, Xabi and Xavi all starting in the middle. None of them made any attempt to run to support Villa in attack which left him isolated in the middle. Which made it very easy for Switzerland to defend. And forcing Xavi to play deeper is not necessarily a bad thing as he's far more comfortable playing deeper imo where he can cycle possession around. The AMC position he's playing now is far more suited for someone who's more dynamic; someone like Cesc. Either replace Xabi for Cesc or switch to 4-4-2 which was how Spain played in Euro '08. Problem is Senna isn't in the squad anymore. He used to cover so much ground by himself that he could hold the midfield together with Xavi. I doubt Busquets can offer the same. Maybe Martinez can.

That said the goal conceded is a worry. Very poor decision making by the two CB's. You would think playing together in the same club they would have been done better in dealing with the situation.
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I don't know why so many people think Spain played well. They played badly for their standard. They keep passing the ball to force their opponent run across the field, without actually doing anything with the possession. Pass, pass, pass, pass, pass.... pass la sampai lebam. This slow uninspiring tiki taka is gay, not beautiful football. This is the old Spain. Usually if they scored first, they'll carve their opponent but when the opponent scored first they'll choke. This kind of Barca tiki taka play requires patience.

Even Aragones agrees with most Spanish fans,

Sin embargo, el principal reproche de Aragonés hacia el actual seleccionador fue el haber abandonado su sistema de juego habitual de la Eurocopa con un solo mediocentro defensivo. "Quizá el problema fuese de entrada al salir con dos jugadores en el centro del campo", sentenció.

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However, the main criticism of coach Aragones to today was that he abandoned his usual game system of the European Championship with a single defensive midfielder. "Maybe the problem was the entrance to exit with two players in midfield," he said.

The only one who didn't see this is del Bosque. For the next game he should, send both Busquets and/or Xabi to warm the bench, and bring in Cesc and/or Martinez. He must change the tempo of the game, make Spain play faster like they did in EURO 08. If he's too degil, then Spain is f***ed up in this world cup.

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VS Honduras is more difficult, they surely build two layer defender and need deal with lightning counter attack from them
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VS Honduras is more difficult, they surely build two layer defender and need deal with lightning counter attack from them
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the Honduras counter attack is really slow if you watch the chille game.
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the Honduras counter attack is really slow if you watch the chille game.
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really, i didn't watch them vs Chile, just watch them play in qualify vs USA and Mexico
their target man David Suazo really have good pace, Suazo didnt play last game
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Basquet should not play at all, just put xavi and Alonso in middle will do...


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QUOTE(verx @ Jun 17 2010, 09:52 PM)
Spain actually played better when Torres came on so to me that wasn't the mistake.
The mistake was actually having Busquets, Xabi and Xavi all starting in the middle. None of them made any attempt to run to support Villa in attack which left him isolated in the middle. Which made it very easy for Switzerland to defend. And forcing Xavi to play deeper is not necessarily a bad thing as he's far more comfortable playing deeper imo where he can cycle possession around. The AMC position he's playing now is far more suited for someone who's more dynamic; someone like Cesc. Either replace Xabi for Cesc or switch to 4-4-2 which was how Spain played in Euro '08. Problem is Senna isn't in the squad anymore. He used to cover so much ground by himself that he could hold the midfield together with Xavi. I doubt Busquets can offer the same. Maybe Martinez can.

That said the goal conceded is a worry. Very poor decision making by the two CB's. You would think playing together in the same club they would have been done better in dealing with the situation.
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Yeah. The Xabi-Busi-Xavi midfield is actually a bad choice. Either Iniesta or Cesc should take 1 of the places instead, while Xabi and Busi fight for the DM position depending on the opposition (against the Swiss, Xabi would be better option, as their striker are not good at closing down). But we can't blame VDB for this can we? Xabi-Busi-Xavi is the midfield system that he used during most of the qualifying campaign, and what a campaign it was.

Iniesta/Cesc-Busi/Xabi/Martinez-Xavi/Xabi

Both Pique and Puyol always did that kind of mistake while playing with Barcelona, but Valdes always came to Barca's rescue. So you can't expect them to play any better with Spain unsure.gif unsure.gif Barca have exactly the same kind of problem.

For the 4-4-2 system during Euro2008, I think the system only served us in the group stage, against Russia and Sweden, and I was not particularly impressed with the team performance against Sweden. And against Italy in QF, the 4-4-2 system scored a blank. If Spain want to continue playing Xabi and Iniesta, 4-3-3/4-5-1 is the system to be employed.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jun 18 2010, 07:42 PM)
Yeah. The Xabi-Busi-Xavi midfield is actually a bad choice. Either Iniesta or Cesc should take 1 of the places instead, while Xabi and Busi fight for the DM position depending on the opposition (against the Swiss, Xabi would be better option, as their striker are not good at closing down). But we can't blame VDB for this can we? Xabi-Busi-Xavi is the midfield system that he used during most of the qualifying campaign, and what a campaign it was.

Iniesta/Cesc-Busi/Xabi/Martinez-Xavi/Xabi

Both Pique and Puyol always did that kind of mistake while playing with Barcelona, but Valdes always came to Barca's rescue. So you can't expect them to play any better with Spain  unsure.gif  unsure.gif Barca have exactly the same kind of problem.

For the 4-4-2 system during Euro2008, I think the system only served us in the group stage, against Russia and Sweden, and I was not particularly impressed with the team performance against Sweden. And against Italy in QF, the 4-4-2 system scored a blank. If Spain want to continue playing Xabi and Iniesta, 4-3-3/4-5-1 is the system to be employed.
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In Euro 08 the switch to 4-5-1 always involved Cesc coming in. Aragones never played 2 holding players. Now we're playing with 3 players who are more comfortable playing deeper than playing between the lines. I didn't watch the qualifying games so I won't say that I know how effective the lineup was back then but it's clearly not working now.

And that comment about Valdes, trying to imply something about Casillas? Cause I don't see how he can be blamed there. The CB's left him terribly exposed and he did manage to get to the ball only for it to be ricocheted from Pique's back. Unlucky I guess. But I'd rather see Albiol coming in seeing that Puyol isn't winning half his headers.
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QUOTE(verx @ Jun 19 2010, 12:18 PM)
In Euro 08 the switch to 4-5-1 always involved Cesc coming in. Aragones never played 2 holding players. Now we're playing with 3 players who are more comfortable playing deeper than playing between the lines. I didn't watch the qualifying games so I won't say that I know how effective the lineup was back then but it's clearly not working now.

And that comment about Valdes, trying to imply something about Casillas? Cause I don't see how he can be blamed there. The CB's left him terribly exposed and he did manage to get to the ball only for it to be ricocheted from Pique's back. Unlucky I guess. But I'd rather see Albiol coming in seeing that Puyol isn't winning half his headers.
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And when Spain played 4-5-1 they played their best games. I think the same can be said during the Euro as well. For instance during the match against Russia in the semis, they played badly at the start, but when Villa was replaced (Cesc came on iinm), Spain scored 3 goals. 4-4-2 is certainly not the way for the current squad.

I think Valdes would have read the CBs' movements better in that occasion, plus he is a monster in one-on-one situation. I'm not taking away anything from Casillas though. Generally the defenders did well. Spain's inability to convert good chances and movements into goals was the most glaring problem. I think by replacing Villa and Torres, and Iniesta for Navas, that would be enough. No need to compromise the system, and pulled Xavi farther from the Swiss' goal.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jun 19 2010, 05:22 PM)
And when Spain played 4-5-1 they played their best games. I think the same can be said during the Euro as well. For instance during the match against Russia in the semis, they played badly at the start, but when Villa was replaced (Cesc came on iinm), Spain scored 3 goals. 4-4-2 is certainly not the way for the current squad.

I think Valdes would have read the CBs' movements better in that occasion, plus he is a monster in one-on-one situation. I'm not taking away anything from Casillas though. Generally the defenders did well. Spain's inability to convert good chances and movements into goals was the most glaring problem. I think by replacing Villa and Torres, and Iniesta for Navas, that would be enough. No need to compromise the system, and pulled Xavi farther from the Swiss' goal.
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they played 4-5-1 b4 torres came in wut hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Jun 20 2010, 12:22 PM)
they played 4-5-1 b4 torres came in wut  hmm.gif
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As Verx mentioned, the midfield combination was wrong. Iniesta or Cesc should take 1 of the 3 slots, to give Villa more support. Against the Swiss, Villa was very isolated, and he was actually having a bad game as well.
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QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 17 2010, 10:47 AM)
Does it matter if Spain get first place or second place? they are going to meet one strong team (Portugal or Ivory Coast or heck Brazil) one way or another irregardless of them finishing first or second..

Spain reminds me of Arsenal...so pretty football but no goals to show in the end..zzz
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Strong? Whoever played better tactically is strong. No Portugal and Ivory Coast in that list.

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I don't know why so many people think Spain played well. They played badly for their standard. They keep passing the ball to force their opponent run across the field, without actually doing anything with the possession. Pass, pass, pass, pass, pass.... pass la sampai lebam. This slow uninspiring tiki taka is gay, not beautiful football. This is the old Spain. Usually if they scored first, they'll carve their opponent but when the opponent scored first they'll choke. This kind of Barca tiki taka play requires patience.

Even Aragones agrees with most Spanish fans,

Sin embargo, el principal reproche de Aragonés hacia el actual seleccionador fue el haber abandonado su sistema de juego habitual de la Eurocopa con un solo mediocentro defensivo. "Quizá el problema fuese de entrada al salir con dos jugadores en el centro del campo", sentenció.

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However, the main criticism of coach Aragones to today was that he abandoned his usual game system of the European Championship with a single defensive midfielder. "Maybe the problem was the entrance to exit with two players in midfield," he said.

The only one who didn't see this is del Bosque. For the next game he should, send both Busquets and/or Xabi to warm the bench, and bring in Cesc and/or Martinez. He must change the tempo of the game, make Spain play faster like they did in EURO 08. If he's too degil, then Spain is f***ed up in this world cup.
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Yupe, and to come up against a team like Swiss, you have to breakthrough with a very high paced gameplay. Counter attack should be Spain's plan B as they are really good in long and short range passes and they have speed.
Maybe I got it wrong but playing with slower tempo usually results in Opponent having more time to prepare themselves and IMHO almost every big teams are doing the same mistake. Just my 2 cents.
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SAME AGAINST SWISS

XABI/BAS/MARTI ----> HOW I MISS SENNA HERE...IF MACHERANO IS A SPAINISH

FAB XAVI INIESTA

TORRES VILLA

This formation will give spain to the semi at least...


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why why why not give guiza a start???

lone strikers formation often put too much pressure on the striker. though villa did it much of the season at valencia.

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QUOTE(ahnien @ Jun 21 2010, 09:56 PM)
why why why not give guiza a start???

lone strikers formation often put too much pressure on the striker. though villa did it much of the season at valencia.
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it seem we will see sensation pair tonight, Villa not alone this time, lets see Spain do a Portugal
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Much better performance. Villa and Navas staying out wide providing much needed width shows that they have learnt a lesson from the Swiss game. Navas was poor with his delivery throughout the game. I would like to see Silva back in the lineup provided he stays wide when he doesn't have the ball. Xavi made a better attempt to play further up the pitch but I still don't think it's his game there. The moment Cesc came on he offered much more threat with his runs from deep. But I see Del Bosque sticking with the same midfield against Chile. Still a very good performance overall.
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nice win and Spain become a Spain again, there is a lot thing to improve before Chile game, Navas cross always useless, i think it would be better if Cesc start in 1st 11 instead Navas, Cesc can provide more pace and we can use Ramos to do cross job, both front pair waste so many change especially Torres, he seem still cant find his form after the injury
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jun 22 2010, 12:41 PM)
nice win and Spain become a Spain again, there is a lot thing to improve before Chile game, Navas cross always useless, i think it would be better if Cesc start in 1st 11 instead Navas, Cesc can provide more pace and we can use Ramos to do cross job, both front pair waste so many change especially Torres, he seem still cant find his form after the injury
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Cesc on the right wing? I'm not buying it to be honest.
You can't just leave Ramos alone on the right wing because most teams would double up on him rendering him ineffective. Ramos had a good game mainly because he had Navas in front of him and he could use him as an outlet to get further forward.
I personally think Silva was unfairly criticised after the Switzerland game and he should be given back his spot.
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jun 22 2010, 12:41 PM)
nice win and Spain become a Spain again, there is a lot thing to improve before Chile game, Navas cross always useless, i think it would be better if Cesc start in 1st 11 instead Navas, Cesc can provide more pace and we can use Ramos to do cross job, both front pair waste so many change especially Torres, he seem still cant find his form after the injury
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Bro, Navas' cross are not always useless. I've seen him delivered some very difficult crosses perfectly. If you say regarding yesterday game, you are right, he played poorly. But that doesn't mean he should be benched for next games, and certainly not Cesc going to replace him. Cesc has more pace? IMHO Navas is one of the fastest player in current Spain squad.

QUOTE(verx @ Jun 22 2010, 01:45 PM)
Cesc on the right wing? I'm not buying it to be honest.
You can't just leave Ramos alone on the right wing because most teams would double up on him rendering him ineffective. Ramos had a good game mainly because he had Navas in front of him and he could use him as an outlet to get further forward.
I personally think Silva was unfairly criticised after the Switzerland game and he should be given back his spot.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jun 22 2010, 10:13 PM)
Bro, Navas' cross are not always useless. I've seen him delivered some very difficult crosses perfectly. If you say regarding yesterday game, you are right, he played poorly. But that doesn't mean he should be benched for next games, and certainly not Cesc going to replace him. Cesc has more pace? IMHO Navas is one of the fastest player in current Spain squad.
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Cesc is not even close to the speed of navas.. Thos cesc's end product is far better than his.. But cesc on right wing? WHAT??
I think we could try out pedro at RW, or throw in silva..I think he should be able to play better than against the swiss...
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jun 22 2010, 10:13 PM)
Bro, Navas' cross are not always useless. I've seen him delivered some very difficult crosses perfectly. If you say regarding yesterday game, you are right, he played poorly. But that doesn't mean he should be benched for next games, and certainly not Cesc going to replace him. Cesc has more pace? IMHO Navas is one of the fastest player in current Spain squad.

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The thing is pace alone wont help you much.I would rather have slow player that deliver their game perfectly.Consistency is what matters now especially in tournament like this.
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Excellent spirit in the Spanish camp.

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jun 23 2010, 01:48 PM)
The thing is pace alone wont help you much.I would rather have slow player that deliver their game perfectly.Consistency is what matters now especially in tournament like this.
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With Cesc' tendency to play in the middle rather than widen up Spain's game, not only he himself is at risk of being ineffective, due to opponents overcrowding the central area (the dreadful bus parking tactic), their LB may have only Ramos to watch out as well.

And the thing about Navas is he doesn't only have pace, he also has his crosses, and quite decent shooting ability. He scored a long powerful drive in 1 of the warm up matches IINM. He is not like SWP or Lennon, I can assure you that. Capel is more similar to them.

QUOTE(air_mood @ Jun 23 2010, 06:01 PM)
Excellent spirit in the Spanish camp.

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Llorente has to start the next game. Torres at this point in time is useless.
Good win nonetheless
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What has Liverpool done to torres? Llorente totally changed the gameplay..
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What has Liverpool done to torres? Llorente totally changed the gameplay..
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why a strong team macam spain ni likes using cheats???I cannot understand lor
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QUOTE(verx @ Jun 30 2010, 04:28 AM)
Llorente has to start the next game. Torres at this point in time is useless.
Good win nonetheless
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QUOTE(myhotgary2 @ Jun 30 2010, 04:45 AM)
What has Liverpool done to torres? Llorente totally changed the gameplay..
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He is just back from injury ma...Kinda expected
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QUOTE(ryanking11 @ Jun 30 2010, 04:56 AM)
why a strong team macam spain ni likes using cheats???I cannot understand lor
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why a joker like you post something here , i cannot understand lor

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torres is obviously not fit, and i had a feeling he still didnt get used to "jabulani" ball yet.

i dont really mind torres is given a rest tongue.gif
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Good win it was. And the team defended better than before, the most important improvement smile.gif
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Jun 30 2010, 10:03 AM)
torres is obviously not fit, and i had a feeling he still didnt get used to "jabulani" ball yet.

i dont really mind torres is given a rest    tongue.gif
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LOL i didn't know Llorente's maternal surname is Torres until the commentator mentioned it yesterday. Good sub though i'm confident that Del Bosque was testing Llorente and hope that magic will happen. Given VDB's intelligence, its not like he subbed Llorente because he knows it would change the game. He got no choice since Torres is shit.
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why a joker like you post something here , i cannot  understand lor
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i think he's referring to the fantastic playacting from torres vs chile and capdevilla vs portugal.
embarrassing to say the least.
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Damn u pedro..
Want to dribble until nou camp ka??
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kick that pedro out... now when torres can have a goal...
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Why should he be kicked out when he's played well (other than that gaffe of course)
Spain played so much better without Torres you have to be blind not to notice the difference.
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don't kick him out yet. but he should've done better with that chance. if that was 0-0 and he did that he'd be fried in the dressing room. but whatever, the past is in the past, YEAH SPAIN!

i'm still not sure why david silva is not starting. i would love to see him partner up with villa on the international level
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QUOTE(verx @ Jul 8 2010, 04:52 AM)
Why should he be kicked out when he's played well (other than that gaffe of course)
Spain played so much better without Torres you have to be blind not to notice the difference.
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Happy that Pedro did well for Spain, though I still don't get it, why on a WC semifinal match VDB opted for Pedro rather than a much more experienced Silva? Did he see something during training? I am so sure nobody could fathom such daring move from him before the match. But he is right there smile.gif
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pedro should be seriously "lectured" for his very selfish act, that was totally unacceptable..i think not selecting him for the finals will be a great lesson
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jul 8 2010, 08:05 AM)
Happy that Pedro did well for Spain, though I still don't get it, why on a WC semifinal match VDB opted for Pedro rather than a much more experienced Silva? Did he see something during training? I am so sure nobody could fathom such daring move from him before the match. But he is right there smile.gif
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I think it's because of what happened in the Switzerland game where Silva was coming inside too often and not providing enough width. But I think if he was given another chance he would do better. But on this performance Pedro deserves to start the final.

QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Jul 8 2010, 10:34 AM)
pedro should be seriously "lectured" for his very selfish act, that was totally unacceptable..i think not selecting him for the finals will be a great lesson
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Just because your beloved Torres couldn't get his name on the scoresheet? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(verx @ Jul 8 2010, 10:40 AM)
Just because your beloved Torres couldn't get his name on the scoresheet? rolleyes.gif
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Let's not get this personal.It's undeniable that Pedro is kinda selfish.Overdribbling at times.Anyway, would love to see Llorente above Pedro or Torres. smile.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jul 8 2010, 11:13 AM)
Let's not get this personal.It's undeniable that Pedro is kinda selfish.Overdribbling at times.Anyway, would love to see Llorente above Pedro or Torres. smile.gif
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Selfish or not, he still played well. Give credit where it's due is what I say.
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QUOTE(verx @ Jul 8 2010, 10:40 AM)
I think it's because of what happened in the Switzerland game where Silva was coming inside too often and not providing enough width. But I think if he was given another chance he would do better. But on this performance Pedro deserves to start the final.
Just because your beloved Torres couldn't get his name on the scoresheet? rolleyes.gif
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stop trying to be smart, i didnt mention torres in my post..pedro performances was great, i wont deny it. but a single mistake like this can be deathly, he was lucky germans couldnt score an equaliser, i bet many fans will start calling for his blood if they do. look at green, a single mistake and everybody condemn him..was pedro any better?
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Pedro would indeed have had his head in his hands if Kroos placed his shot better, but having said that he did have a fine second half. Personally, I'd much rather none of our players play for their national sides.
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QUOTE(verx @ Jul 8 2010, 10:40 AM)
I think it's because of what happened in the Switzerland game where Silva was coming inside too often and not providing enough width. But I think if he was given another chance he would do better. But on this performance Pedro deserves to start the final.
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Well, VDB could always advice Silva on what he should not do. hmm.gif hmm.gif Whatever, I would like to see what magic he'll conjure for the next game. Pedro deserve to play in the final, but I think Silva may get to squeeze in too. Time for the boss to tinker.

QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Jul 8 2010, 02:39 PM)
stop trying to be smart, i didnt mention torres in my post..pedro performances was great, i wont deny it. but a single mistake like this can be deathly, he was lucky germans couldnt score an equaliser, i bet many fans will start calling for his blood if they do. look at green, a single mistake and everybody condemn him..was pedro any better?
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The fact that you've criticized Pedro harshly, didn't praise him for his generally good performance, and said 'not selecting him for the finals will be a great lesson' may make people wonder, why have you been so harsh? And in a hindsight, Verx may understand why smile.gif
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jul 8 2010, 03:48 PM)
Well, VDB could always advice Silva on what he should not do. hmm.gif  hmm.gif Whatever, I would like to see what magic he'll conjure for the next game. Pedro deserve to play in the final, but I think Silva may get to squeeze in too. Time for the boss to tinker.
The fact that you've criticized Pedro harshly, didn't praise him for his generally good performance, and said 'not selecting him for the finals will be a great lesson' may make people wonder, why have you been so harsh? And in a hindsight, Verx may understand why smile.gif
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because personally, i hate selfish player who only think of himself. i was already screaming before i realize it was torres in the middle (i miss the part villa was subbed with torres). i might be harsh towards pedro, but even if it did not involved torres, i still think it was unacceptable. i would accept if someone miss an open goal, albeit not on purpose but trying to took all glory for himself is a big NO to me.

torres or no torres, doesnt matter to me..i say it once, i say it again...i dont mind if torres do not play. i do not support spain just because of him alone
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pedro was selfish la. but pedro deserve the final spot rather than silva. silva didnt even get much playing time this world cup
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Jul 8 2010, 04:17 PM)
because personally, i hate selfish player who only think of himself. i was already screaming before i realize it was torres in the middle (i miss the part villa was subbed with torres). i might be harsh towards pedro, but even if it did not involved torres, i still think it was unacceptable. i would accept if someone miss an open goal, albeit not on purpose but trying to took all glory for himself is a big NO to me.

torres or no torres, doesnt matter to me..i say it once, i say it again...i dont mind if torres do not play. i do not support spain just because of him alone
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And on what basis you accused him of being selfish? FYI, that was how he played with Barca. His awareness and vision on the pitch was always poor. I'm not saying he shouldn't be blamed at all. But you as a football fan should know that even the best players do that. Why not gave him credit for the positives he did? His work rate? Why concentrate on when he failed, saying that leaving him out is the fitting lesson? With him on the pitch, Spain played their bestest game in terms of ruthlessness and beautiful gameplay. Why don't you praise him for that?

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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Jul 8 2010, 02:39 PM)
stop trying to be smart, i didnt mention torres in my post..pedro performances was great, i wont deny it. but a single mistake like this can be deathly, he was lucky germans couldnt score an equaliser, i bet many fans will start calling for his blood if they do. look at green, a single mistake and everybody condemn him..was pedro any better?
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Sheesh...go read back your post and see how ridiculous it sounds: implying he should be dropped just for that mistake doh.gif
And if the Germans scored an equaliser, I wouldn't be calling for Pedro's head; I'll be criticising the defending instead tongue.gif
It's easy to criticise him but he's a young kid, and he got abit overexcited and in a way over-thought about making the pass or shooting himself. There was a defender between him and Torres so even a pass wouldn't have been that easy to pull off. If the pass was cut out he'll still be criticised.

What is ironic is that Kroos' chance was an even easier one but you don't see anyone calling for his head rolleyes.gif
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spain gonna wear red or blue in the final ?
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since Netherlands vs Spain so the orange will be home team and wear it first kit (orange), i think Spain will wear blue because orange and red seem similar
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Pics of the Queen meeting the players in the dressing room...and look how cool Puyol was. Did the Queen love it? laugh.gif laugh.gif

http://conlaroja.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/...om/#comment-749
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LoL at the argument before... I think pedro was the key to the massive possesion we had, did we have that before when torres played? no.
But torres provides a post-player which no one else in the team except llorente could..which is why spain's passing all ended up in smoke in the 1st half, barring puyol's header that went high and PEDRO's assist to villa.. still, i'd rather not see torres starting cause its obvious he's not fit at all..
In the 2nd half, pedro started cutting in and caused all sorts of trouble to the german defense but xabi shot wide on a couple occasions..but at least this meant penetration, not the 1st half we saw that had no end product..
I think he did great but matyr was right, silva could've been the better choice but pedro basically justified vdb's decision IMO..
I know late on he did flunk that chance with torres to his left.. yes he was selfish and its horrible but you cant just dismiss all the goodwork he put in before just because of a moment of silliness, can you?
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I watched the game again last night. I can single out 2 highlights of Pedro's contribution. First around 21 minutes, when he broke down a German counterattack, 2nd on 48th minute when he pulled around 3 German defenders to the right flank, creating space and setting up Alonso for a long shot. Why no credit for these? Why highlight his miss only?

Also I've heard people putting the blame on Navas earlier in the tournament. Why don't they just think 'well this is his first major international tourney in foreign country, and he had that severe anxiety problem before' as an excuse for him?

Why people keep finding excuse (injury etc etc) for Torres while in fact he never impressed in Spain shirt in the last 2-3 years? Just accept the fact that he can't fit in well enough, and he has much to learn to do so. And stop being bias.


Added on July 9, 2010, 8:57 amSid Lowe wrote about Spanish's finest moments, and the role the Basque and Catalans played. His pieces are always pleasure to read smile.gif

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifaworldc...-for-spain.html

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this argument is getting ridiculous,,he made mistakes pedro but again who isnt,,torres also known for his selfishness other than his scoring rates,,.all this blaming occurred when spain needs to score the 2nd goals to kill the game off.. but after looking back, the german hardly tested casillas or open the spanish tight defense, if they ever going to score most probably due to defending error...over all this i think without doubt spain best game so far in wc, hope they will repeat the same level of performance in the final..will pedro be given another chance? i hope so..
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so confirm spain gonna wear blue?
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VDB should have make a new version of the barca gladiator video to motivate the player, no just Arbeloa go and download a video from youtube, the world cup final deserve better production value in motivational video nod.gif :


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...onal-video.html

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QUOTE(zickey @ Jul 9 2010, 03:59 PM)
so confirm spain gonna wear blue?
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why so serious about the kit
i guess u have both Spain jersey and want wear the same color Spain wear that night
just choose blue one
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This is a fantastic article about Spain and their style
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/socc...inal/index.html

People have been saying this Spain side is boring but they don't understand that for football to be a spectacle both teams have to share that responsibility. And every team that has faced Spain so far have been far more interested in stopping Spain from playing than creating a spectacle.
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QUOTE(verx @ Jul 10 2010, 10:11 PM)
This is a fantastic article about Spain and their style
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/socc...inal/index.html

People have been saying this Spain side is boring but they don't understand that for football to be a spectacle both teams have to share that responsibility. And every team that has faced Spain so far have been far more interested in stopping Spain from playing than creating a spectacle.
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I've heard that one. laugh.gif laugh.gif I think the noise are mostly coming from England right? rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jul 11 2010, 06:40 PM)
I've heard that one. laugh.gif  laugh.gif  I think the noise are mostly coming from England right? rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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maybe more coming from people that only watch EPL and think the best football are the EPL style. laugh.gif
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If Catalunya and Basque country secede from RFEF, which team will you guys support? They tried to join UEFA under the excuse that Scotland and Wales are allowed to play in UEFA and FIFA sanctioned match. But they always get vetoed by RFEF.
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QUOTE(RtP|DEV @ Jul 11 2010, 11:16 PM)
If Catalunya and Basque country secede from RFEF, which team will you guys support? They tried to join UEFA under the excuse that Scotland and Wales are allowed to play in UEFA and FIFA sanctioned match. But they always get vetoed by RFEF.
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but they are still part of spain, and spain is fielding a team in FIFA match, wales and scotland are different because there is no UK team, and wales and scotland are countries, catalonia are not a country at least not yet.
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i will support Catalan for sure, they able to qualify to the World Cup with current team

as i remember this players already play for Catalan
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jul 11 2010, 11:39 PM)
i will support Catalan for sure, they able to qualify to the World Cup with current team

as i remember this players already play for Catalan
Victor Valdes
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They very well could qualify for the WC. But getting close to winning it on the other hand I doubt it.

But it's all pointless debate really. Catalunya is not a country and FIFA will never sanction it. Allowing the different regions to be self autonomous seems to suit Spain and the Spanish society as of now and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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seem like adidas are really confident in spain winning the world cup and prepare to cash in right away by making a batch of home kit with star on it

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As expected poor referee-ing by webb ..
But who care , SPAIN is still the wolrd champs, woohoo !!
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what time will adidas start selling the new spain kit with the one star? want to order one biggrin.gif
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Viva La Furia Roja! Spain was fantastic throughout the World Cup Finals. The only thing I won't be too happy about is Torres is still not fit and didn't perform. Still, Spain deserved to be crowned World Cup winner. Congrats!
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 12 2010, 05:31 AM)
what time will adidas start selling the new spain kit with the one star? want to order one  biggrin.gif
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Next WC sure got laugh.gif

My Spain jersey become treasure liao biggrin.gif
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http://yahoosports.teamfanshop.com/Soccer_...e/YahooHomepage



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QUOTE(verx @ Jul 12 2010, 12:41 AM)
They very well could qualify for the WC. But getting close to winning it on the other hand I doubt it.

But it's all pointless debate really. Catalunya is not a country and FIFA will never sanction it. Allowing the different regions to be self autonomous seems to suit Spain and the Spanish society as of now and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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yeah, separate Spain and Catalonia is a bad idea, to be world champion we need both tikitaka and San Iker`s golden hand, forget my siggy for a while, he deserve to be man of the match especially when he save one to one ball
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jul 12 2010, 06:08 AM)
yeah, separate Spain and Catalonia is a bad idea, to be world champion we need both tikitaka and San Iker`s golden hand, forget my siggy for a while, he deserve to be man of the match especially when he save one to one ball
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true true.

a world class performance rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jul 12 2010, 06:08 AM)
yeah, separate Spain and Catalonia is a bad idea, to be world champion we need both tikitaka and San Iker`s golden hand, forget my siggy for a while, he deserve to be man of the match especially when he save one to one ball
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To be fair tiki taka is very much a Spanish characteristic not just Catalunya. That's why we see many La Liga teams have pretty good ball retention.

San Iker's list of honours grows. Really amazing how much he's won notworthy.gif
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all the player and staff deserve to get Don title lol (Malaysia style)

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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jul 12 2010, 06:15 AM)
all the player and staff deserve to get Don title lol (Malaysia style)
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If anyone deserves it it's Del Bosque biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(verx @ Jul 12 2010, 06:12 AM)
To be fair tiki taka is very much a Spanish characteristic not just Catalunya. That's why we see many La Liga teams have pretty good ball retention.

San Iker's list of honours grows. Really amazing how much he's won notworthy.gif
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it little bit weird, the gameplay that Spain use to win WC produce by the Dutch
yeah many of Spain player like Iker, Puyol and Xavi already win all title or cup in their life (except Confederation), pity Raul he never win WC and Euro
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Speaking of regional sentiments, what did Puyol and Xavi hold when they were celebrating together? Seems like the Catalan flag. hmm.gif hmm.gif

Now where do we go from here? Continue conquering the world? I believe Spain can do it. Quarries all over Spain doesn't seem to stop producing players smile.gif
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jul 12 2010, 08:33 AM)
Speaking of regional sentiments, what did Puyol and Xavi hold when they were celebrating together? Seems like the Catalan flag. hmm.gif  hmm.gif

Now where do we go from here? Continue conquering the world? I believe Spain can do it. Quarries all over Spain doesn't seem to stop producing players smile.gif
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Yeah it was the flag of Catalunya. Nothing wrong with that really. From what I read Navas had an Andalucian flag and Llorente a Basque one. The different communities are an important part of Spanish culture and seeing them unite as one to win the WC is something special.

Spain definitely has a bright future. The mentality has changed. They have that edge now that winners have. And the upcoming talents are definitely there.

Here's another great article by Sid Lowe. He's really on a roll biggrin.gif
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Spain dominates in distinctive way

Now, that is a postmatch interview. And what a difference a month makes.

At the end of Spain's first match at this World Cup, a 1-0 loss to Switzerland, Sara Carbonero was waiting in the tunnel for Iker Casillas, clutching a microphone. Now, for those who have not been acquainted with her, Carbonero is a journalist and interviewer with the Spanish television channel TeleCinco. She is also Casillas' girlfriend. Not that you would have known it as she held out the microphone and asked bluntly: "How did you manage to lose that?" Casillas barely looked her in the eye, mumbled some cliché and departed.

The following morning, a report in the British newspaper The Times claimed that the Spanish had blamed Carbonero for the defeat. The "Spanish Inquisition" had begun and she was the one burned at the stake. She had, the paper remarked, using the inevitable footballing idiom, been responsible for Casillas' taking his "eye off the ball."

The truth was rather different: The pair had been professionalism personified and pretty much no one in Spain blamed Carbonero. In fact, the Spanish reacted angrily to the report, rallying around her and hitting out at the English, which they accused, not for the first time, "of looking for trouble." And yet there was no escaping a basic fact: Spain had been beaten. The pre-tournament favorite had lost -- and to Switzerland of all teams. No country had ever won the World Cup after losing its first game.

It has now.

When Casillas went down the tunnel after Sunday's 1-0 victory against the Netherlands, a World Cup-winning captain and the star in the final, who made a vital save from Arjen Robben, Carbonero was again waiting for him. The smiles were broad but, again, there was professionalism. At least there was for a couple of seconds. Carbonero asked her first question and, as he thought about his mother, father and brother, Casillas' voice cracked. A tear prickled in his eye and he reached forward, kissed Carbonero and departed.

Carbonero stood alone, in front of the camera on the verge of crying. But she was not alone. Andres Iniesta, who dedicated his goal to Dani Jarque, the Espanyol defender who tragically died of a heart failure a year ago, was crying. José Antonio Camacho, the former Spain defender, now a commentator with Spanish television, the man who had greeted the goal with a shout of "Iniesta of my life," was crying. And so were all of his fellow commentators. "We can hardly talk," said J.J. Santos. Which is something of a problem for a presenter and match commentator.

The emotion was overwhelming. It is hard to do justice to just how huge this success is for Spain. Two hundred thousand people had gathered in Madrid to see Spain become world champion for the first time ever. And it won the World Cup final much as it did all of its knockout games:

One-nil.

With nervous moments and strokes of luck.

But, ultimately, deservedly.

Against Portugal, David Villa's winning goal looked dangerously close to offside. Against Paraguay, Spain survived a questionably disallowed goal for its opponent and a penalty that, as Xavi put it, "would have meant adios." And against Germany, Casillas had to make a sharp save at 0-0 -- and the winner came via Carles Puyol's header from a corner, a set play to reach the final. In all three matches, Spain had reached halftime without a goal; in all three, it had started to feel like the Spanish might never get one.

On Sunday, the wait was even longer. Spain had to wait until the 116th minute, when Iniesta scored. The Spanish have become world champions with just eight goals -- easily the lowest number in the tournament's history (the next lowest is 11), winning a solitary game by more than one goal -- 2-0 against Honduras.

Spain conceded only two goals in the tournament. When Italy did that in 2006, it was hailed as defensive geniuses. Fabio Cannavaro even won the Balón d'Or off the back of the success. According to the Castrol index, which combines a series of statistical measures to rank a player's performance, Sergio Ramos has the tournament's best ranking. In fact, Spain's back four are the tournament's top four. And that's despite the fact that in its approach Spain has not been a defensive side; as argued before the final, it has been a controlling one.

Even Holland's muscular, at times plain brutal approach did not -- in the end -- prevent Spain from adding the world title to its European one. In virtually every game it was confronted not by sides that sought to play but to prevent Spain from playing. In every game, Spain has sought goals. Without haste, without anxiety and without urgency, perhaps. But it has sought them. Spain might not have been quite as dazzling as some hoped, not quite as creative, not quite as much of a fantasy soccer team as some demanded, but it has -- in its own way -- dominated this World Cup.

Before the final, Jesús Navas had delivered more balls into the box than any other player at the tournament despite playing only 118 minutes, while Xavi had provided 25 goal scoring chances -- eight more than anyone else. Spain led in attacks -- more than 20 clear of No. 2 Germany and No. 3 Brazil. The Spanish ranked first in shots, solo runs and passes (more than 1,500 more, in fact), and they had the best pass-completion rate. No side averaged as many passes as Spain in 16 years.

Meanwhile, only Germany and Uruguay covered a greater distance and, before Sunday's war, which Spain largely handled impressively, only Korea had collected fewer cards.

In every game, Spain had more shots on target and more possession than its opponents -- including the opening-game defeat that could be written off as a freak result, with an 8-to-3 advantage in shots on goal and 63 percent of the ball. Only Chile had as many shots overall against Spain -- 9 each, but with fewer on target -- in the competition. Spain had 19 (10 on target) to Portugal's 9 (3); 16 (9) to Paraguay's 9 (4); and 13 (5) to Germany's 5 (2). In the final, Spain had 56 percent of possession and 18 shots to Holland's 13.

Yes, Spain lost at this World Cup, something that inevitably takes a tiny bit of the gloss off the success, but only one side didn't (New Zealand had three draws). And, yes, it struggled to get the goal in the final. But so did Germany in 1990, while Brazil in 1994 and Italy in 2006 didn't get it at all.

No one cares how Spain won; it is world champion. All over the country, fans just can't quite believe it. The emotion took over -- and not just for Casillas and Carbonero.

Besides, since when was a World Cup easy to win? In comparison to previous winners, Spain is an impressive victor. Until the final, Spain had not needed extra time and never been behind. In 2006, Italy needed penalties in the final and extra time in the semifinal, while in 1998, France needed extra time against Paraguay and penalties against Italy. In 2002, Brazil needed neither. And no one doubted that it was a worthy world champion. No one should doubt that Spain is either.
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QUOTE(verx @ Jul 12 2010, 12:30 PM)
Yeah it was the flag of Catalunya. Nothing wrong with that really. From what I read Navas had an Andalucian flag and Llorente a Basque one. The different communities are an important part of Spanish culture and seeing them unite as one to win the WC is something special.

Spain definitely has a bright future. The mentality has changed. They have that edge now that winners have. And the upcoming talents are definitely there.

Here's another great article by Sid Lowe. He's really on a roll biggrin.gif
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Yeah nothing wrong with that, in fact I think that is the 'proper' way. It would be very weird watching them celebrating, while only Iker holding the Spain flag. The differences has symbolized Spain as a nation since long ago, and I think it is actually exemplary for the rest of the world, seeing them very united for their football. I'm sure La Furia Roja will remain unpopular in Basque and Catalunya regions in the future, but Vascos and Catalans wouldn't get to keep themselves quiet last night smile.gif

Sid Lowe has been the 'keyboard warrior' for Spanish football all these years, so when Spanish football triumphs, only god knows how many articles he could type on such day alone laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Celebration is Spain. Livestream.
http://www.as.com/video-directo/llegada-se...peona-del-mundo
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Although not so spanish, i find this pretty cute.

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UEFA Euro U-19 match between Spain and Croatia starts @ 10pm

This Squad are made of core players from 2008 u-17 squad that thrashed France in Euro u-17 final match that year.


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Where is that fucuktard who said that Xavi sucks in this Spanish squad? ayanami-tard right? Now when Spain won he disappeared.. a true-blue glory-hunter/troll I must say... Justice is served!! Viva Espana!!

P/S: In case ur wondering why I never posted here before, it is because I just came across this thread. During the WC I was active in the FIFA World Cup Spain fans sub-forum biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(St. Orion @ Jul 19 2010, 12:41 PM)
Where is that fucuktard who said that Xavi sucks in this Spanish squad? ayanami-tard right? Now when Spain won he disappeared.. a true-blue glory-hunter/troll I must say... Justice is served!! Viva Espana!!

P/S: In case ur wondering why I never posted here before, it is because I just came across this thread. During the WC I was active in the FIFA World Cup Spain fans sub-forum biggrin.gif
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Xavi Sucks? hahaha jokers real jokers
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Xavi Sucks? hahaha jokers real jokers
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UEFA euro u-19 final stage.

18 July 2010

Group A
England beat Austria 3-2
France beat Nederland 4-1

Group B
Spain beat Croatia 2-1, Thiago(53') Rodri(64'), Iker Muniain is one sick player.
Portugal beat Italy 2-0

21 July 2010 - Spain vs Portugal
24 July 2010 - Spain vs Italy

27 July 2010 - Semi-finals

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QUOTE(St. Orion @ Jul 19 2010, 12:41 PM)
Where is that fucuktard who said that Xavi sucks in this Spanish squad? ayanami-tard right? Now when Spain won he disappeared.. a true-blue glory-hunter/troll I must say... Justice is served!! Viva Espana!!

P/S: In case ur wondering why I never posted here before, it is because I just came across this thread. During the WC I was active in the FIFA World Cup Spain fans sub-forum biggrin.gif
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WC is over. Let's keep flamebaiting out of this thread. smile.gif
understood smile.gif

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Tonight @ 9 pm, Euro u-19 Spain vs Portugal.

http://rojadirecta.com/
Still no link yet, hope someone stream this game.

edit - Spain won 2-1. Both goal by Daniel Pacheco, 12', 87'.

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Is there anybody watching right now?

Spain leading by 1-0, goal scored by Pacheco assisted by Canales. Promising performance by the kids rclxms.gif


Added on July 27, 2010, 10:35 pmLOL, Spain's kids are really owning England's kids! Keko scored 2nd goal for Spain!


Added on July 27, 2010, 10:38 pmThey pulled 1 back. 2-1

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Spain win 3-1

I love the 3rd goal. Class set piece.



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Just watched the highlights. Very impressive I must say biggrin.gif
I think a few of them could make it into the senior side come Euro 2012 depending on their progress.
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German fans say their 2014 world cup squad is the one to look for. Screw that, Spanish canteranos are the best in the world. These players have the potential to become the best in the game.

90ers - De Gea, Bojan, Merida.
91ers - Thiago, Keko, Canales, Romeu, Bartra, Planas, Pacheco.
92ers - Sarabia, Isco, Muniesa, Dalmau, Koke
93ers - Paco, Deulofeu, Jese Rodriguez, Muniain
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holy crap
pacheco and canales...damn good
spain is blessed with football talent
why only this decade they start winning major trophy i dont know
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I wondered why Muniain didn't get to play. I forgot he is only 17. sweat.gif sweat.gif

QUOTE(RtP|DEV @ Jul 28 2010, 03:02 PM)
German fans say their 2014 world cup squad is the one to look for. Screw that, Spanish canteranos are the best in the world. These players have the potential to become the best in the game.

90ers - De Gea
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Damn, Keko surely didn't impress me. Anyway 1st half 1-0.
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Damn, Keko surely didn't impress me. Anyway 1st half 1-0.
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The defensive line did a very very good job so far. Alex played with his feet most of the time.


Added on July 31, 2010, 2:19 amThey've lost momentum since half time, and completely forgot how to play after France equalized sad.gif


Added on July 31, 2010, 2:51 amThe kids has lost. They really let their heads dropped in 2nd half.

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terrible misunderstanding between 2 defenders that caused the 2 goal ...
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Villa equals Raul's record and Torres scored a brace.Never better biggrin.gif
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Ouch.. http://wwnn.co.uk/spain-vs-argentina-socce...d-results/2885/
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what a lob by messi..

what a mistake by pepe reina..

spain first lost after how many matches?? LOL =)


Added on September 8, 2010, 9:39 pmohh....forgot about switzerland..

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zidane jr will choose to play for spain!
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yo world champion fans! why so quiet this thread?
tomorrow morning (sat) got live at astro channel 816 3.55am
spain vs lithuania euro qualifying
viva espana!!

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Cazorla had a great game playing in the middle. I think he was the most influential player. More selection headache for VDB once Xavi and Cesc are back tongue.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 5 2010, 02:22 AM)
Villa equals Raul's record and Torres scored a brace.Never better biggrin.gif
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The team struggled against a defensive minded Czech team, and Plasil's sweet striker looked like a killer blow. Personally I don't understand what Navas was supposed to do. His strength is his strong play at the byline, and getting crosses in, but the problem was only Villa always there in the pen box, surrounded by Czech defenders. Surely he had absolutely no chance to win in the air? No width on left hand side either, with only Capdevila occupying the left wing most of the time.

And then VdB responded by bringing on Torres and Cazorla, and everybody say the inclusion of Torres helped Villa to score his 2 goals, but oh well, how I wish Torres has had his last game for Furia Roja until he recovers his form at Chelsea. I would pick Llorente any day.
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Lost out to England. Could have play better. Poor finishing sums it all. doh.gif
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The commentator said that the English spectators have flocked to the stadium to witness Spain's passing exhibition. Well Spain has done exactly just that, and not much else sweat.gif
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at least he can win something in Spain color.what position he play anyway?Striker like his father?
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If anyone support Barca as club and Spain as country, life sure easy yawn.gif your team play beautifull football and get result yawn.gif


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good choice from the lad.les blues is in deep tahi this moment

at least he can win something in Spain color.what position he play anyway?Striker like his father?
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haha i still think spain deserve 2 get something out in wembley but i guess somebody hire demons around the england goal laugh.gif doh.gif almost lose again but manage 2 equalize so late even when 2 goal down some more laugh.gif hope this is not the espana team we will b seeing in euros rclxms.gif
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Spain drew with Costa Rica 2-2 last night

and i think they were playing in their new kit.. Was it like 3 kits in the span of 1+ year already for Spain.. biggrin.gif
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Part 1
http://vimeo.com/22190095

Part 2
http://vimeo.com/22237534

Part 3
http://vimeo.com/22516870

Part 4
http://vimeo.com/18741569

Part 5
http://vimeo.com/19023561

Part 6
http://vimeo.com/19392333
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Spain's squad versus Venezuela

Casillas, Reina, Valdés;
Jordi Alba, Arbeloa, Iraola, Puyol, Piqué, Ramos;
Javi Martínez, Sergio Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Xavi, Thiago;
Cesc, Iniesta, Cazorla, Silva, Mata, Muniain;
Navas, Llorente, Negredo y Soldado.

I think Adrian of Atletico deserve a place in the squad. Maybe in place for Negredo? And finally a deserving call up for Soldado rclxms.gif
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woottt easy win 5-0...soldado hatrick...what a comeback!!
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 25 2012, 12:13 AM)
Spain's squad versus Venezuela

Casillas, Reina, Valdés;
Jordi Alba, Arbeloa, Iraola, Puyol, Piqué, Ramos;
Javi Martínez, Sergio Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Xavi, Thiago;
Cesc, Iniesta, Cazorla, Silva, Mata, Muniain;
Navas, Llorente, Negredo y Soldado.

I think Adrian of Atletico deserve a place in the squad. Maybe in place for Negredo? And finally a deserving call up for Soldado rclxms.gif
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all goals from spain are like in training session, pass around then place shots/tap in goals..
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Goal Keepers: Casillas (Real Madrid), Valdés (Barcelona), Reina (Liverpool).

Defense: Juanfran (Atlético), Arbeloa (Real Madrid), Piqué (Barcelona), Javi Martínez (Athletic), Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid), Jordi Alba (Valencia), Albiol (Real Madrid).

Midfield: Xabi Alonso (Real Madrid), Cesc (Barcelona), Sergio Busquets (Barcelona), Xavi (Barcelona), Iniesta (Barcelona), Cazorla (Villarreal).

Forwards: Pedro (Barcelona), Mata (Chelsea), Jesús Navas (Sevilla), Silva (Manchester City), Llorente (Athletic), Torres (Chelsea), Negredo (Sevilla).

Speechless...

Anybody can remind me how Negredo or Torres could sneak in ahead of Soldado or Adrian? Albiol? Porque?
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why spain never call arteta? i think he perform consistently over the years.
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reina in the squad, what a joke... that guy has been acting like a clown between liverpool's post all season.
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Other than Albiol, Negredo and Pedro which are debatable I guess it's a decent squad. I thought Soldado had done enough to be in the squad.
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Why still choose torres del bosque? Becoz he score in the final when spain win euro 2008? That 4 years ago la....soldado or adrian more worth this days..haishh..
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so frustrated after no Soldado and Adrian, why on earth still have Torres
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Well i think torres has the experience the team needs(He's a regular for spain in euro 2008 and WC 2010). He might not have performed that well last season, but i think he's still vital to the spain national team.(Without david villa around)

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espana vs daehanminguk 2am. anyone got stream link?
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Torres scored btw whistling.gif
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nice goal by the korean.
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How come soldado still in the team??Del Bosque not trim his squad yet??


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1-1 vs Italy : Fabregas!
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aiyaaaa torres should have scored 2 goals....
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torres should have square the ball to jesus navas instead of trying to lob the buffon.....wrong decision
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but i doubt someone in the spain camp can run like torres.. beating defender like that..

spain created more good chances with torres in the squad for me..

but torres still cant deliver for me..but he able to create..
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Torres, his finishing are poor last night, but since he came in, Spain looked more likely to score because he a real striker and know how to position himself..

Torres or Llorente /Negredo need to start on the next game to give Spain a better chance to score.. dropped one of Fabregas /Silva /Iniesta. they are not bad, just give more balance on final 3rd.
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Spain are playing too cautious here...need to be more adventurous like before...Ireland & Croatia are there to tapau one
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Anyone watching the game by streaming? Any links?
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VdB (Vincent del Bosque) is one heck of a lucky man.

He is basically just putting out the safest option match after match for years and hope that the players themselves will find a way to score. He is such a lucky manager who has the most worlds best players in one team and instead of maximizing their potential, he plays it safe.

He has been using this cautious approach for far too long.
He needs to be more adventurous in order to win a tournament.

Here are some of the reasons why I think that he is not a good tactician.

1) Navas
The last straw for me was when he took out Torres for Navas.
Navas is an out and out winger.
He is as one dimensional as you can get.
Very predictable.

Just in case you are not following La Liga, you would've probably noticed him
continually trying to go the the byline even though there are already 2 defenders stationed there.
It is so painfully obvious that his only mission is to go there.
That is what he does for Seville all the time!

Many times the defenders don't even need to stick their legs out because Navas' cross will hit the defenders body 90% of the time.

My choice, would've been to add another striker because Torres was clearly outnumbered.
Put Llorente or Negredo in.
Or if he really wants some width, put Pedro in who is a wide-forward.

What does VdB do?
Put a winger in and take out the striker?
So who if Navas' cross does land in the penalty box, who is going to head it in now that Torres is out?

2) Alonso
Spain is a possession based team ala Barca. Spain will always dominate the ball possession so what is the point of having 2 DM's in Alonso and Busquets??!! Alonso is not a great defender and not good in attack. I don't see his purpose in this team.

Notice how Alonso stands in passing lanes at times between Xavi and the player who is taking the ball out of Spain's half.

Alonso is a DM/CM hybrid but Spain already has 6 midfielders in the team. Take Alonso out and it will be the same if not better.

I'd like to think that it will be better.

Yes, his long balls are good. But not for a possession based team who relies on short passes. Most of the time the Spanish players are in their opponents half so the long ball game is not needed. How many times has it been useful so far? Alonso will be useful in a counter attack team or a possession team that focuses in a lightning fast counter attacks ala Madrid.

Why not use a tried and tested method of Xavi-Iniesta-Busquets[COLOR=red]?

Because of Alonso's inclusion, Iniesta who is Spain's spark, is moved to LW where is much more less effective.
Iniesta should be in the middle besides Xavi.
How many titles has these format won?
Why fix something that ain't broken?

Look how fluid they were in the last World Cup whenever Alonso went out.
I don't want to use the Ireland match as an example because they were Ireland.

Another disadvantage of having Alonso in the team is that it takes up 1 more attacking player out like Cesc, Pedro, Llorente.

3) Arbeloa
Are there seriously no better RB in Spain? He has been given a free pass for 3 matches now by the opposition. Nobody ever marked his runs. Sometimes it looked like he was a RW. One that no opponent gives two f*cks about. Every time he get's the ball, he will lose it.

Why not put Ramos back at RB?

4) Silva
Is is similar to Alonso's problem in the team but in midfield/attack.

How many midfielders does VdB want? They have been in each other's way million times now. Please stop using Silva like this. In this set-up he is more useful as an impact sub.
Clearly VdB is trying to use Silva in a false 9, similar to Messi for Barca.

5) VdB clearly watches Barca and thinks that he can use the same tactic but is confused by it.
If he really wants he has to follow the Barca way and not changing it with Silva or Navas.


These players in this formation is a must.

Casillas
Ramos - Martinez - Pique - Alba
Busquets
Xavi -Iniesta
Cesc

**Some people have comprehension problem and start to troll this topic.
Those players I mentioned above are key to this team.
The rest are up for grabs.

Why is it so hard for Malaysians not to troll?
I don't understand, if you don't have any constructive comment, then just rock on with your life.
Don't troll.

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Jun 19 2012, 05:26 PM)
Casillas
Ramos - Martinez - Pique - Alba
Busquets
Xavi -Iniesta
Cesc

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you use 4-3-1 formation ? yet you say you better than De Bosque
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Nice thread, although there's already a thread for spain national team. Similarly i asked a madrid fan why not put ramos at right back? He told me ramos is clumsy. Things would become even worse if he plays right back. Basically, he's better at centre back. If u have watched him playing for madrid, there are a lot of "scary" moments from ramos. Another RB, maybe juanfran?

I'm ok with torres playing upfront. I don't think he's that terrible. I know there are other options like negredo and llorente. But if u see, torres scored 2 goals against ireland and basically he's got a lot of international experience.

Alonso plays a deeper role, while xavi stays upfront and make his passes. Busquet moves around and try to win the ball.

Spain plays with lots of possessions, silva and iniesta are technically gifted players and both of them can hold the ball really well and produce opportunities as well. What's lack is probably the finishing?
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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Jun 19 2012, 04:34 PM)
you use 4-3-1 formation ? yet you say you better than De Bosque
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Stop trolling dude.
I clearly said "these players' as in these players are needed for the team to fully function.


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QUOTE(mrkenn @ Jun 19 2012, 05:43 PM)
Nice thread, although there's already a thread for spain national team. Similarly i asked a madrid fan why not put ramos at right back? He told me ramos is clumsy. Things would become even worse if he plays right back. Basically, he's better at centre back. If u have watched him playing for madrid, there are a lot of "scary" moments from ramos. Another RB, maybe juanfran?

I'm ok with torres playing upfront. I don't think he's that terrible. I know there are other options like negredo and llorente. But if u see, torres scored 2 goals against ireland and basically he's got a lot of international experience.

Alonso plays a deeper role, while xavi stays upfront and make his passes. Busquet moves around and try to win the ball.

Spain plays with lots of possessions, silva and iniesta are technically gifted players and both of them can hold the ball really well and produce opportunities as well. What's lack is probably the finishing?
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Thanks.

Ramos used to be clumsy but he is a threat for the opposition.
Yes, he turned out pretty good at CB for Madrid this season.
I thought that it would be a wreck.

I don't know much about JuanFran so I can't really comment on him.
My suggestion would be to move Javi Martinez to CB.

In the Spanish team, VdB should make some changes.
He needs to be more daring like any good tactician would be.

Do you think that Alonso is needed in this team?
He is just occupying Xavi's space and Xavi is taking up Iniesta's space.
Because of Alonso, Iniesta is being moved to LW.
Ask any Barca fan, that's one of the things that Pep did that we disliked.
He is only 50% effective there.

Everybody knows how good Xavi Iniesta is in the middle of the park.

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Jun 19 2012, 05:56 PM)
Stop trolling dude.
I clearly said "these players' as in these players are needed for the team to fully function.


Added on June 19, 2012, 5:59 pm

Thanks.

Ramos used to be clumsy but he is a threat for the opposition.
Yes, he turned out pretty good at CB for Madrid this season.
I thought that it would be a wreck.

I don't know much about JuanFran so I can't really comment on him.
My suggestion would be to move Javi Martinez to CB.

In the Spanish team, VdB should make some changes.
He needs to be more daring like any good tactician would be.

Do you think that Alonso is needed in this team?
He is just occupying Xavi's space and Xavi is taking up Iniesta's space.
Because of Alonso, Iniesta is being moved to LW.
Ask any Barca fan, that's one of the things that Pep did that we disliked.
He is only 50% effective there.

Everybody knows how good Xavi Iniesta is in the middle of the park.
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Are u missing spain in the past with david villa and torres starting together? More goals right?

Anyway, Vdb actually just got a new contract until 2014 right? Hmm.

And i don't think he will drop alonso.
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But Navas has got the speed and he can usually outpace the defenders for a cross, then again cross-header isn't exactly Spain's style. It's more of a desperate plan of Barca when they found no way in the defense, like in the Chelsea match.

I'd give Juan Mata a chance though, he's been really consistent in Chelsea.
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take alonso out?pfftt yeah iniesta+xavi+busquets = more effective gameplay
how about kick out all madrid players from this team? no?

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Jun 19 2012, 04:26 PM)

Casillas
Ramos - Martinez - Pique - Alba
Busquets
Xavi -Iniesta
Cesc
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you kurang 2 ppl. laugh.gif
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Spain win the world cup with Alonso at the starting lineup.
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Jun 19 2012, 04:26 PM)

Casillas
Ramos - Martinez - Pique - Alba
Busquets
Xavi -Iniesta
Cesc
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jangan berlagak bodoh sgt barcafag ni kalau lineup kau pun x cukup orang

pfffttt
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takeout xabi & arbeloa??...most probably spain wont become world champions!
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QUOTE(syazwan @ Jun 19 2012, 07:36 PM)
jangan berlagak bodoh sgt barcafag ni kalau lineup kau pun x cukup orang

pfffttt
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if you want to troll fuk off somewhere else.
why is it so hard to have a normal conversation or discussion in LYN??!!

I already said above that THOSE PLAYERS ARE A MUST.
I didnt say that it is the LINE UP.
Please read and digest it and then reply.
Dont simply bark.


Added on June 19, 2012, 8:15 pm
QUOTE(yinchet @ Jun 19 2012, 07:13 PM)
you kurang 2 ppl. laugh.gif
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Yes. I know 2 forwards are left out.
Those players mentioned above are the players that are key to winning the Euros to me.
IT IS NOT THE LINE-UP.


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QUOTE(leftist @ Jun 19 2012, 08:10 PM)
takeout xabi & arbeloa??...most probably spain wont become world champions!
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Im not sure which one you mean.
The 2010 WC, 2012 Euro or 2014 WC.

Either way.
In 2008, they won it with 1 DM (no Alonso, no Busquets, no Arbeloa).
In 2010, they had the same problem as now, 2 DM's and Alonso standing in people's way.
In 2012, same problem as 2010. Nothing's changed with VdB.
in 2014, we never know but if VdB is still in charge, I hardly doubt that he will alter the formation and make some tactical changes.

And you seriously think that Spain can't win the World Cup or Euros or whatever it is that you mean without Arbeloa? Arbeloa... Out of all people, you think Arbeloa is one key ingredient to winning whatever Cup??!!
He is not even a starter for R. Madrid if it wasn't for their CB problems.
What has Arbeloa provided in the tournament so far besides continuously giving cheap balls away and making silly tackels?


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Hmm actually TS got his points. So u guys just give ur valuable opinions in a good way. David silva is more towards passing and assisting. Watched mata played for chelsea, technically he is very good too and can score goals.

The way navas plays, he's gonna run down the right flank and crosses(he rips the right flank and i agree he's pretty one dimensional). VDB should start to give other strikers some chances as well(negredo and llorente).

Hmm the pundits actually said if there's weakness in the spain national team. It's gonna be their right-back which is arbeloa.
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QUOTE(nouruddines @ Jun 19 2012, 06:20 PM)
take alonso out?pfftt yeah iniesta+xavi+busquets = more effective gameplay
how about kick out all madrid players from this team? no?
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Why kick out all the Madrid players out?
Is that your suggestion or are you trying to put words into my mouth?

Does taking Alonso & Arbeloa out mean that Im anti-R.Madrid?
I didn't know that Casillas & Ramos have left Madrid and signed for a new club.

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Jun 19 2012, 08:12 PM)
if you want to troll fuk off somewhere else.
why is it so hard to have a normal conversation or discussion in LYN??!!

I already said above that THOSE PLAYERS ARE A MUST.
I didnt say that it is the LINE UP.
Please read and digest it and then reply.
Dont simply bark.
Bark all you want, barcafag
Silly boy,
Pique?
ooh i heard he had wonderful season at la liga rite?

oh sure u can bark
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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Jun 19 2012, 06:11 PM)
But Navas has got the speed and he can usually outpace the defenders for a cross, then again cross-header isn't exactly Spain's style. It's more of a desperate plan of Barca when they found no way in the defense, like in the Chelsea match.

I'd give Juan Mata a chance though, he's been really consistent in Chelsea.
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Navas is the fastest in the team but in a possession based team, his attributes aren't so useful.
Because of the possession based football, most of the opponents are defending deep so there is no space for him to exploit.
And if he does beat a man and gets his cross, there is someone needed to head the ball.
Midgets like Silva, Iniesta, Xavi won't be able to do anything about it.
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What's your problem man? The team is winning you still complain, ungrateful fan is ungrateful. Always knee jerk and knit pick no matter what.

And you think you know more football tactic than Del Bosque? Get real man, you're not even qualified to manage a school boy team.

Like Mourinho said, Spain is not bakalona you know.
Spain need to play more like Real Madrid instead of bakalona, more direct attack more goals less passing back zzz....

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QUOTE(skystrike @ Jun 19 2012, 08:28 PM)
u left out messi....oh wai...
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What's your problem man? The team is winning you still complain, ungrateful fan is ungrateful. Always knee jerk and knit pick no matter what.

And you think you know more football tactic than Del Bosque? Get real man, you're not even qualified to manage a school boy team.

Like Mourinho said, Spain is not bakalona you know.
Spain need to play more like Real Madrid instead of bakalona, more direct attack more goals less passing back zzz....
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inb4 bark-a-lona won all trophies this year so must play according to dem

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QUOTE(theedi @ Jun 19 2012, 08:29 PM)
What's your problem man? The team is winning you still complain, ungrateful fan is ungrateful. Always knee jerk and knit pick no matter what.

And you think you know more football tactic than Del Bosque? Get real man, you're not even qualified to manage a school boy team.

Like Mourinho said, Spain is not bakalona you know.
Spain need to play more like Real Madrid instead of bakalona, more direct attack more goals less passing back zzz....
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Im not even a fan of the Spanish NT.
Not related to them at all.
Im a Barca & Ajax fan and Dutch football.
With all these players at their disposal, VdB better make good use of them.

Yes you are right.
I also prefer them to be ruthless like Madrid but they don't have the players capable of playing that game.
There are not enough players from the Madrid contingent to facilitate this type of game.

And another reason why this tactic is not suitable for this team is because of the way the opposition is playing.
They know Spain wants to play tiki taka so they sit back and defend in two banks of four.
There is no space to exploit.
And there are no players like Ronaldo, Benzema, Ozil and Di Maria in the team.

Btw, who are you to say that Im not qualified to manage a school boy team?
Let's not start attacking each other.
I open this topic to have a discussion, not getting trollers and personal attacks.
I didn't attack you did I?
Now let's have a healty discussion.

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juz glanced thru, i duno wats the issue wif silva...he has been the most consistent and one of the best spanish player if not the best so far in this tournament
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Jun 19 2012, 08:12 PM)
if you want to troll fuk off somewhere else.
why is it so hard to have a normal conversation or discussion in LYN??!!
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Have you ever wondered why there is so few neutral threads, discussing about neutral topics in FL these days? If you have, then that's the answer laugh.gif Seriously susah want to discuss anything.

In response to your post, well, I've got plenty to say. But maybe another time, I'm busy with reports now. However, regarding your concerns, especially about the double pivot, it is already been discussed earlier in this thread during the WC. So as you pointed out, its an old issue, and don't expect it to change, at least until WC2014 brows.gif (VDB has renewed until 2014).

And you may also find part of the explanation (not necessarily mean it's the answer) in here.

QUOTE(SGSuser @ Jun 19 2012, 08:40 PM)
juz glanced thru, i duno wats the issue wif silva...he has been the most consistent and one of the best spanish player if not the best so far in this tournament
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Gotta disagree. Following the disappointments, in WC2010, I don't think he is giving a good shout for himself with his performances in this tournament.

IMO, there are only 2 players whose places are indisputable in the starting 11; Casillas and Iniesta. Yang lain, whether need to be dropped (mainly because of clashes of roles, like Xavi-Busquets-Xabi, not because of poor performance), or roles need to be altered.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jun 19 2012, 10:17 PM)
Have you ever wondered why there is so few neutral threads, discussing about neutral topics in FL these days? If you have, then that's the answer laugh.gif Seriously susah want to discuss anything.

In response to your post, well, I've got plenty to say. But maybe another time, I'm busy with reports now. However, regarding your concerns, especially about the double pivot, it is already been discussed earlier in this thread during the WC. So as you pointed out, its an old issue, and don't expect it to change, at least until WC2014 brows.gif (VDB has renewed until 2014).

And you may also find part of the explanation (not necessarily mean it's the answer) in here.
Gotta disagree. Following the disappointments, in WC2010, I don't think he is giving a good shout for himself with his performances in this tournament.

IMO, there are only 2 players whose places are indisputable in the starting 11; Casillas and Iniesta. Yang lain, whether need to be dropped (mainly because of clashes of roles, like Xavi-Busquets-Xabi, not because of poor performance), or roles need to be altered.
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Waiting from your reply. I'm sure u have many valuable thoughts(Since u watch many spanish football) and u know better than us smile.gif
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Waiting from your reply. I'm sure u have many valuable thoughts(Since u watch many spanish football) and u know better than us  smile.gif
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Oh do not expect anything from me. I thought Torres is completely useless, but then he scored a brace against the almighty Ireland, then everybody said he is slowly back to his best, and I'm proven wrong sad.gif
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jun 19 2012, 10:42 PM)
Oh do not expect anything from me. I thought Torres is completely useless, but then he scored a brace against the almighty Ireland, then everybody said he is slowly back to his best, and I'm proven wrong sad.gif
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Maybe u can talk about what barca96 has voiced out. All the possession thing, and with so many midfielders and stuffs. And how spain performed.

About the torres thing, I'm sure everyone had the same thoughts as well. But he turned out to be a magica against ireland?

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jun 19 2012, 10:17 PM)
Gotta disagree. Following the disappointments, in WC2010, I don't think he is giving a good shout for himself with his performances in this tournament.

IMO, there are only 2 players whose places are indisputable in the starting 11; Casillas and Iniesta. Yang lain, whether need to be dropped (mainly because of clashes of roles, like Xavi-Busquets-Xabi, not because of poor performance), or roles need to be altered.
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iinm he wasnt very much involved at all in wc10 as he is in euro12

i honestly think he has done well this tournament
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QUOTE(SGSuser @ Jun 19 2012, 10:49 PM)
iinm he wasnt very much involved at all in wc10 as he is in euro12

i honestly think he has done well this tournament
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It's more like he has done well against ireland...not entire tourney tongue.gif

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Spain really miss david villa sad.gif .Del bosque should give llorente a chance.If the midfielders keep creating chances who is gonna take them then without a striker?I feel fabregas drops too deep from his starting position.
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QUOTE(mrkenn @ Jun 20 2012, 09:45 PM)
It's more like he has done well against ireland...not entire tourney tongue.gif
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he was poor against italy and crotia? blink.gif
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QUOTE(SGSuser @ Jun 20 2012, 10:14 PM)
he was poor against italy and crotia?  blink.gif
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Why are u asking me? U said he has done well this tourney meaning u have watched him playing all the games so far right? lol

He didnt even start against italy. And yes he was poor against croatia.
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QUOTE(mrkenn @ Jun 20 2012, 10:21 PM)
Why are u asking me? U said he has done well this tourney meaning u have watched him playing all the games so far right? lol

He didnt even start against italy. And yes he was poor against croatia.
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huh? i asked for ur pov ma since u mention ireland match only...silva didnt start against italy, u sure bro???? against croatia imo the spain were below par, so i can understand if u say he was poor that match...yeah i said imo he has done well this tourney as a whole la with spain because i thk he performed better than most of his teammates especially in spain's attack, but tat's just me la

and of coz better than his wc2010 tongue.gif

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Mistake i thought u were talking about torres wtf lol sorry.
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Mistake i thought u were talking about torres wtf lol sorry.
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deswai i see 2 diff person in you guys punya discussion lol. i think the most dangerous person in spain team so far in the group stage must be silva
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Yes silva very dangerous....iniesta as well...these 2 can rip any defenders tongue.gif
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Jun 19 2012, 05:56 PM)
Stop trolling dude.
I clearly said "these players' as in these players are needed for the team to fully function.


Added on June 19, 2012, 5:59 pm

Thanks.

Ramos used to be clumsy but he is a threat for the opposition.
Yes, he turned out pretty good at CB for Madrid this season.
I thought that it would be a wreck.

I don't know much about JuanFran so I can't really comment on him.
My suggestion would be to move Javi Martinez to CB.

In the Spanish team, VdB should make some changes.
He needs to be more daring like any good tactician would be.

Do you think that Alonso is needed in this team?
He is just occupying Xavi's space and Xavi is taking up Iniesta's space.

Because of Alonso, Iniesta is being moved to LW.
Ask any Barca fan, that's one of the things that Pep did that we disliked.
He is only 50% effective there.

Everybody knows how good Xavi Iniesta is in the middle of the park.
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spain dont need alonso he said... rolleyes.gif

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I think espana are game on for another final.Stop ronaldo and you stop portugal.They are too reliant on him.

The scary thing is espana are winning without hitting top form ohmy.gif

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OK finally I've got some time in my hand, so I would like to comment on barca96 post. Since his post is a long one, so is mine too smile.gif

QUOTE(barca96 @ Jun 19 2012, 04:26 PM)
He is such a lucky manager who has the most worlds best players in one team and instead of maximizing their potential, he plays it safe.


I agree with your observation. Its obvious VDB has been playing the safest card in this tournament. It resulted in Spain being more keen to keep the ball, and subsequently Spain offered relatively little, compared to the amount of possession they have.

But you have to remember, gone are the days when teams would face Spain in open game. Virtually all of them will close up shop (Italy may be the exception so far in this Euros). So, unlike Pep who have all the time to work on small details on Barca's team to beat the defensive teams, VDB don't have this time luxury.

Because of this time constraint, Pep can afford to be more adventurous in his tactics, while VDB can't. We all would like Spain to be more adventurous, but Spain have to put measures to stop opponents' counter attack as the main priority.

Besides, being the side with most goals scored during group stage, with most shot on goal, although they have been really slow, they are still among the most dangerous side.

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Here are some of the reasons why I think that he is not a good tactician.

1) Navas
The last straw for me was when he took out Torres for Navas.
Navas is an out and out winger.
He is as one dimensional as you can get.
Very predictable.


I think you misunderstood his intention (I'm gonna comment based on the Croatia game).

Sure Navas is a typical winger. But I don't think he was brought on to send the crosses in. Yes he spend much of the time hugging the line.

But remember his goal? Right there, I think VDB instructed Navas to do just THAT, to beat Croatia's offside trap.

I don't think it was some clueless move from him.

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2) Alonso
Because of Alonso's inclusion, Iniesta who is Spain's spark, is moved to LW where is much more less effective.
Iniesta should be in the middle besides Xavi.

Look how fluid they were in the last World Cup whenever Alonso went out.
I don't want to use the Ireland match as an example because they were Ireland.

Another disadvantage of having Alonso in the team is that it takes up 1 more attacking player out like Cesc, Pedro, Llorente.


I agree with this one.

During the WC I've been critical of this double pivot crap. But I think things are getting worse right now, because Xavi for some reasons couldn't make more forward runs, and spend more time picking up the ball near Busquets. So what we have now is triple-farking-pivot. grumble.gif grumble.gif

Among Xavi, Busquets, and Alonso, Busquets' place is the most indisputable. So either Xavi and Alonso need to give way for an extra attacker. Llike you I'd prefer Xavi. I think Xavi is better than Alonso at playing around tight defence.

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3) Arbeloa
Are there seriously no better RB in Spain? He has been given a free pass for 3 matches now by the opposition. Nobody ever marked his runs. Sometimes it looked like he was a RW. One that no opponent gives two f*cks about. Every time he get's the ball, he will lose it.

Why not put Ramos back at RB?


I afraid Arbeloa is the best option. Personally, I think Juanfran is the better wing-back than Arbeloa, but his inexperience make his selection unthinkable when we are at the mid stage of Euro. And Ramos can not leave the CB area. Martinez is not that experience in that role either. He only played regularly at CB under Bielsa.

QUOTE(SGSuser @ Jun 19 2012, 10:49 PM)
iinm he wasnt very much involved at all in wc10 as he is in euro12

i honestly think he has done well this tournament
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Yes he was only involved against the Swiss in the first game. And then was dropped thereafter. Reason?

When I said Silva has not given himself a good shout, I didn't say he has been playing badly. What I try to say is he still look very awkward playing under the team gameplay.

The main problem with Silva is that his best position is very similar to Iniesta.

IMHO the player of the tournament so far for the Spanish, for me, is Iniesta, by a huge margin. Of course he lacks the evidence in terms of statistics, as Silva has a goal and some assists to his name already. But Iniesta so far has been awarded Man of the Match award in 2 matches (vs Italy and Croatia), and only Torres and Alonso goalscoring feat stopped him from receiving 100% record throughout this tournament.

But Silva on the other hand, has largely failed to gel into the team's gameplay, much like his failure during WC2010. The difference between now and then; during WC, VDB had Villa, Pedro and Navas all fit, and Silva lost his place, while here, VDB only has Navas. So far Silva's place is relatively safe.

But after Pedro's encouraging performance against France, its interesting how VDB gonna use him. Silva may have his place threatened again.

Oh well, if Mr. Vicente is willing to grant only one of my wish, I would like him to drop Torres entirely. For me, although Alonso and Silva have been interfering with the gameplay rather than enhancing, Torres's presence on the other hand can be too stressful for me. Seriously. sad.gif
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QUOTE(roti-terbakar @ Jun 20 2012, 10:57 PM)
deswai i see 2 diff person in you guys punya discussion lol. i think the most dangerous person in spain team so far in the group stage must be silva
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Dangerous?
He keeps losing possession with his dribbles.
I don't find him dangerous at all.

Unless you look at his stats and see that he has a few goals and assists then maybe yes.
But if you watched all the matches then your view might be different.


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spain dont need alonso he said... rolleyes.gif
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So because he scored 2 goals which includes a penalty he's indispensable now?
He himself said that he could go forward with Spain because he knows Busquets got his back covered.

So what does that mean?
He's taking up Xavi's space in front of Busquets.


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OK finally I've got some time in my hand, so I would like to comment on barca96 post. Since his post is a long one, so is mine too smile.gif
I agree with your observation. Its obvious VDB has been playing the safest card in this tournament. It resulted in Spain being more keen to keep the ball, and subsequently Spain offered relatively little, compared to the amount of possession they have.

But you have to remember, gone are the days when teams would face Spain in open game. Virtually all of them will close up shop (Italy may be the exception so far in this Euros). So, unlike Pep who have all the time to work on small details on Barca's team to beat the defensive teams, VDB don't have this time luxury.

Because of this time constraint, Pep can afford to be more adventurous in his tactics, while VDB can't. We all would like Spain to be more adventurous, but Spain have to put measures to stop opponents' counter attack as the main priority.

Besides, being the side with most goals scored during group stage, with most shot on goal, although they have been really slow, they are still among the most dangerous side.
Yes, teams don't play an open game.
But Barcelona face it week in week out.
Just look at the Chelsea match for example.
They penetrate and they had enough chances to bury the tie at Stamford Bridge but they just couldn't put the ball in the net.

VdB doesn't need to tinker.
He knows that 4-3-3 suits the players that he has at his disposal.
It's just that he wants to accommodate players like Alonso & Silva who cause VdB to change formation & system.

Alonso because of his experience but he just doesn't suit this type of play.
Silva because of his good first half of the season with Man City and because of him making noise.

It's starting to look like the English squad over the years where the coach picks a team based on reputation instead of form.

This playing safe method is going to back bite on him when they do a Barca by conceding stupid goals and when they need to make a comeback.
Their mentality now is to just play the ball around and not penetrate.

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I think you misunderstood his intention (I'm gonna comment based on the Croatia game).

Sure Navas is a typical winger. But I don't think he was brought on to send the crosses in. Yes he spend much of the time hugging the line.

But remember his goal? Right there, I think VDB instructed Navas to do just THAT, to beat Croatia's offside trap.

I don't think it was some clueless move from him.
Navas has been an out and out winger all his life and he showed that expect the moment where Iniesta laid the ball for him to tap in. He was always trying to beat 1 or 2 men to the byline which never worked.

He wasn't brought on to score goals.
Pedro, Llorente, Negredo's total goals for one season equates to Navas' goals in the whole of his career.

If VdB put Pedro in (Croatia) then it would've made more sense.
Pedro is a winger who can go out or in and actually create chances and score unlike the one dimensional Navas.
Mata too.

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I agree with this one.

During the WC I've been critical of this double pivot crap. But I think things are getting worse right now, because Xavi for some reasons couldn't make more forward runs, and spend more time picking up the ball near Busquets. So what we have now is triple-farking-pivot. grumble.gif  grumble.gif

Among Xavi, Busquets, and Alonso, Busquets' place is the most indisputable. So either Xavi and Alonso need to give way for an extra attacker. Like you I'd prefer Xavi. I think Xavi is better than Alonso at playing around tight defence.
Xavi doesn't have the legs for it.
Or so I thought but he actually scored a lot of goals this season from runs from midfield.

If Alonso gives way, who is going to set the tempo and dictate the play?
Alonso isn't a playmaker, he tries to but he ain't.

Cruyff said it before.
Because of this selection, they take one extra touch too many.
You don't need to have so many ball playing players.
At Barca, Busi will collect from the back and move it to Xavi who will then play on.
At Spain NT, when Busi gets the ball, Alonso will come in between Busi and Xavi and request for the ball.

It takes one too many touches.
And he doesn't move the ball fast enough.
He will always take a touch and then only look up and then tries his long passes which only finds its target 1/5 times.

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I afraid Arbeloa is the best option.
Personally, I think Juanfran is the better wing-back than Arbeloa, but his inexperience make his selection unthinkable when we are at the mid stage of Euro. And Ramos can not leave the CB area. Martinez is not that experience in that role either. He only played regularly at CB under Bielsa.
I don't really know Juanfran so I can't comment on him.
But you could see how time and time again the players ignored him even though he was given acres of space by every opposition.
If he does get the ball, I can bet on my car that he will screw it up.

Ramos is Spain's best CB (and RB!).
But this situation is similar to when Alves is injured or suspended for Barca.
Puyol will then be moved to RB.
I think Ramos should be moved to RB too.

With the amount of possession Spain has, their defense is hardly tested.
J. Martinez can definitely cope.

And just a few days ago, they were showing an old game where Ramos at RB for Spain.
It was like Alves in a Spain shirt.
Terrifying.

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Yes he was only involved against the Swiss in the first game. And then was dropped thereafter. Reason?

When I said Silva has not given himself a good shout, I didn't say he has been playing badly. What I try to say is he still look very awkward playing under the team gameplay.

The main problem with Silva is that his best position is very similar to Iniesta.
Yes Silva does still look awkward.
He just doesn't sync with his team mates.
You wonder why he never got a place in the team until he started making noise.

He offers nothing much going forward. He also is frequently 2nd half of the field with the rest of the midfielders when his job is to stretch the defense.

Keeps losing possession. Not a goal threat.

Yes, he scored 2 goals and 2 assists.
But it could've been much better.
If Im not mistaken he used to play on the left for Valencia.
So why not put him at LW and tell him to stretch the width and Pedro on the right and Iniesta back in midfield at Alonso's expense?

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IMHO the player of the tournament so far for the Spanish, for me, is Iniesta, by a huge margin. Of course he lacks the evidence in terms of statistics, as Silva has a goal and some assists to his name already. But Iniesta so far has been awarded Man of the Match award in 2 matches (vs Italy and Croatia), and only Torres and Alonso goalscoring feat stopped him from receiving 100% record throughout this tournament.

But Silva on the other hand, has largely failed to gel into the team's gameplay, much like his failure during WC2010. The difference between now and then; during WC, VDB had Villa, Pedro and Navas all fit, and Silva lost his place, while here, VDB only has Navas. So far Silva's place is relatively safe.

But after Pedro's encouraging performance against France, its interesting how VDB gonna use him. Silva may have his place threatened again.

Oh well, if Mr. Vicente is willing to grant only one of my wish, I would like him to drop Torres entirely. For me, although Alonso and Silva have been interfering with the gameplay rather than enhancing, Torres's presence on the other hand can be too stressful for me. Seriously. sad.gif
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Like I said before, I think Alonso, Silva & Arbeloa are the only ones who should make way.

It's going to be a tough match for them to play against 2 pacey wingers in Ronaldo and Nani.
Ronaldo will have a field day if Arbeloa plays (if Paulo Bento is smart enough to ask Ronaldo to stick on that wing).

Even if Busi is going to offer cover it won't be enough because Busi is slow.
Ramos is needed at RB.

Casillas
Ramos-Pique-Martinez-Alba
Iniesta-Busi-Xavi
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Cesc, Mata, Llorente, Cazorla, Negredo & Navas
to slug it out for the remaining 2 spots
I make it bold before people start questioning.
And before you call me anti-Madrista or barcafag, please count the number of Madrid players in the squad first.
And as far as I know, there is no quota set by the Spanish FA to play x number of Madrid/Barca players.
Form over reputation for me all day everyday.


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i hope ramos play RB...put albiol CB with pique..

arbeloa will failed if he play against ronaldo..


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wow spain is a team.. not real madrid vs barca..

why some people maybe a fan-haters-gonna-hate will differentiate that and think players in their rival team are not accurate enuff to be mix with the spain team ... ?

just let what VDB doing.. hes not peps or the special one.. but he the one bring the title for wc n euro before for a long time spain team missed it..

im supporting spain not because im real madrid supporter..

because i like their charity when they area together from mix club player in one team have no hatred each others.

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I must agree with that, why in the hell put Arbeloa if u have Ramos.

Alba and Ramos, nice combo for attacking football.




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but then, we would have an untested partnership for the defensive line, either pique-martinez, or pique-albiol if we would shift ramos to his original position in spanish team. and I pretty much sure that vdb wouldn't really take such a risk at this stage of the game.

well, let's just see how the team will lineup tonight
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actually i can say arbeloa can perform well at right back, at RM he mostly on RB, once moment he getting worst.. he will be critics, but Jm still put him as reliable RB, ramos good at RB, but two times good with CB position,

thats why i think VDB look the way they play on la liga and adapt them on the spain team.. not the fan taste.. just my2cents blush.gif

if dani alves frm spain.. i would choose him as RB, even im RM fan... tongue.gif i knew he's really good..
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Negredo starting? interesting one...
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negredo isnt quite working
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Busquets pretty useless.better bring on torres or llorente.
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Jordi Alba and Ramos are brilliant today. But Xavi is having a rather quiet game.
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Ramos oh Ramos....If u can be so cool taking tat penalty, why the hell u kicked it into the sky against Bayern ? doh.gif
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Del bosque please no more 4-6-0 formation.Italy and germany are better opponents who won't waste chances that come their way unlike portugal.
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yeah again in final 3 times in a row biggrin.gif viva la roja!!

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wonder why ppl doubt arbeloa. he's shut out messi numerous times, and he didn't do all that badly against C.Ronaldo too did he not?
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when will VDB pick Mata sad.gif at least use him as substitute

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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Jun 28 2012, 04:23 AM)
Jordi Alba and Ramos are brilliant today. But Xavi is having a rather quiet game.
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i would say when xavi has been sub out.. actually it was quite useful.. it vanish the style barca iniesta-and-xavi duo only passing..

then the tempo of a game really change with quite good opportunity spain made. im quoting this not because i dont want xavi+iniesta.. at least other people can see the style of spain played is not the same as barca style of play.

playing negredo a bit wasteful imho.. hes still lacking and not matured in international competition... lets hope the final will be the best striker VDB will be on his starting XI smile.gif

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Ramos oh Ramos....If u can be so cool taking tat penalty, why the hell u kicked it into the sky against Bayern ?  doh.gif
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he used to score the brilliant penalty before n before this.. people just rarely watch la liga just watched the negative once taking by ramos just really annoying.. its semi final.. everyone can nervous.. include supporter tongue.gif

im also hope he score the FK last nite.. but still off the bar.. doh.gif
QUOTE(madmoz @ Jun 28 2012, 09:37 AM)
wonder why ppl doubt arbeloa. he's shut out messi numerous times, and he didn't do all that badly against C.Ronaldo too did he not?
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teammate dude.. must be really careful.. la liga coming this august.. cant injured each others sweat.gif
actually his marking really good.. but sometimes his response to clear the ball macam tidur doh.gif

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Jun 28 2012, 09:37 AM)
wonder why ppl doubt arbeloa. he's shut out messi numerous times, and he didn't do all that badly against C.Ronaldo too did he not?
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yeah he play good today and also jordi alba..he's shut out nani as well...

QUOTE(hidzwan @ Jun 28 2012, 09:50 AM)
when will VDB pick Mata sad.gif at least use him as substitute
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yeah hope he play a bit in final..if torres play may put mata they have known each other at chelsea..
but VDB prefer santi or pedro 1st... whistling.gif
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Pedro was a good replacement, when he came on, he created numerous threats against the Portuguese defense. Negredo, needs more experience, especially in games like this, when you need to be more than 'that'.

Would fancy a final against the Germans, a really blockbuster indeed. This morning's game was a little weird, it's like every 5 mins of gameplay, there will be at least one foul, ref blows the whistle and d disrupted the play.

I would like to see Juan Mata as well. I don't remember seeing Fernando Llorente featuring in any game yet. Get well soon Villa!
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chance is very small to see the presence of Llorente, Mata & Juanfran. knowing VDB always reluctant to take risky approach , he for sure will use the same line up aka the best "on paper" line up..
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spain 2012 is not the same with 2008 & 2010
this is definitely not the same side that i love few years back


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QUOTE(syazwan @ Jun 28 2012, 02:11 PM)
spain 2012 is not the same with 2008 & 2010
this is definitely not the same side that i love few years back
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Definitely not the same, but not in a negative way for me. Ramos is now on the central defensive role and Arbeloa on the right instead, and David Villa is a big miss. Still glad that the team made it through the final though. rclxms.gif
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I hope in final VDB will make pedro as starting 11,he's too damn good.
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QUOTE(zeronehza @ Jun 27 2012, 06:38 PM)
wow spain is a team.. not real madrid vs barca..

why some people maybe a fan-haters-gonna-hate will differentiate that and think players in their rival team are not accurate enuff to be mix with the spain team ... ?

just let what VDB doing.. hes not peps or the special one.. but he the one bring the title for wc n euro before for a long time spain team missed it..

im supporting spain not because im real madrid supporter.. 

because i like their charity when they area together from mix club player in one team have no hatred each others.
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Some trolls accused me of being an anti-madrid when I numerously praised Ramos and selected Iker & Ramos as key players.


QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 28 2012, 04:04 AM)
Busquets pretty useless.better bring on torres or llorente.
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Pretty useless you say?Please clarify.
He was pickpocketing here and there, calm under pressure even with his back to his marker.
Hardly conceded possession.

QUOTE(andrewtho @ Jun 28 2012, 04:23 AM)
Jordi Alba and Ramos are brilliant today. But Xavi is having a rather quiet game.
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I've never found him playing consistently on his Barca level when playing in a double-pivot with Spain (Euro 2008 anyone?.

One of the reasons is him having Xabi constantly getting in the way or trying to do what he does.
Last night again a number of times Xabi got in the way.
Or when Xavi has the ball and try to spread the play to the flanks, Xabi will stand and ask for the ball.

Although this problem occurs less compared to 2010 WC but it's still pretty obvious.

Xavi needs an Iniesta in front of him much like Alonso needs a Mascherano/Busquets behind him.

Also, you have to understand why he isn't so noticeable, without runners running behind the defense, you won't see him threading through balls. His job will then only be to keep the tempo and spread the play.
He can direct the tempo but yet play a fast direct game. You just need to watch more Barca matches to know that smile.gif

He shines for Spain when they use to play 1 DM (Senna & Barca).

QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 28 2012, 06:48 AM)
Del bosque please no more 4-6-0 formation.Italy and germany are better opponents who won't waste chances that come their way unlike portugal.
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Spain played Italy already in the group stages no?
One goal allowed.

I agree with you on the Germans though.
They are efficient machines (Gomez not so) just like everything the Germans do.

QUOTE(madmoz @ Jun 28 2012, 09:37 AM)
wonder why ppl doubt arbeloa. he's shut out messi numerous times, and he didn't do all that badly against C.Ronaldo too did he not?
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Erm. Messi doesn't play on Arbeloa's wing.

And he didn't keep Ronaldo out of the game.
Recall the flank in which the danger from Portugal came during the game and the countless times he lost possession.

How many needless free kicks has he given away this tournament?

QUOTE(zeronehza @ Jun 28 2012, 10:40 AM)
i would say when xavi has been sub out.. actually it was quite useful.. it vanish the style barca iniesta-and-xavi duo only passing..

then the tempo of a game really change with quite good opportunity spain made. im quoting this not because i dont want xavi+iniesta.. at least other people can see the style of spain played is not the same as barca style of play.

playing negredo a bit wasteful imho.. hes still lacking and not matured in international competition...  lets hope the final will be the best striker VDB will be on his starting XI smile.gif
he used to score the brilliant penalty before n before this.. people just rarely watch la liga just watched the negative once taking by ramos just really annoying.. its semi final.. everyone can nervous.. include supporter tongue.gif

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Yeah taking Xavi out for an attacker as a mean to win the match in normal circumstances (90mins matches) is fine.
But not taking him out when there is less than 5mins to go in normal time and when there is most likely still 30mins to play for in extra-time.

Notice how they lost control of the midfield once Xavi came off.

I would applaud VdB's move if he took Xavi/Xabi off with at least 20mins to go for Pedro to find a goal.

Negredo's inclusion in spite of Soldado is already a shock and him in the starting X1 in a semi-final is even more shocking considering how well Pedro has played in the last match.

Ramos had balls!
And notice how he again in this match tried to play RB at times.
I wish VdB would experiment him at RB and Martinez at CB in the group stages.

QUOTE(andrewtho @ Jun 28 2012, 12:29 PM)
Pedro was a good replacement, when he came on, he created numerous threats against the Portuguese defense. Negredo, needs more experience, especially in games like this, when you need to be more than 'that'.

Would fancy a final against the Germans, a really blockbuster indeed. This morning's game was a little weird, it's like every 5 mins of gameplay, there will be at least one foul, ref blows the whistle and d disrupted the play.

I would like to see Juan Mata as well. I don't remember seeing Fernando Llorente featuring in any game yet. Get well soon Villa!
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You're spot on!
I thought Pedro did enough to justify a starting place in the team but instead VdB went with Negredo.
Pedro wasn't even a first sub.

Llorente is twice the player Negredo is who barely made the cut.
I guess Llorente and Mata have to start making noise like Silva in order to be selected.

QUOTE(hidzwan @ Jun 28 2012, 12:59 PM)
chance is very small to see the presence of Llorente, Mata & Juanfran. knowing VDB always reluctant to take risky approach , he for sure will use the same line up aka the best "on paper" line up..
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This is what I mentioned previously too.
VdB seems to select players based on reputation instead of form or functionality.

England is having the same problem as well for the past decade.

QUOTE(syazwan @ Jun 28 2012, 02:11 PM)
spain 2012 is not the same with 2008 & 2010
this is definitely not the same side that i love few years back
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They just need to go back to 4-3-3.




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One of the reasons is him having Xabi constantly getting in the way or trying to do what he does.
Last night again a number of times Xabi got in the way.
Or when Xavi has the ball and try to spread the play to the flanks, Xabi will stand and ask for the ball.

Although this problem occurs less compared to 2010 WC but it's still pretty obvious.

Xavi needs an Iniesta in front of him much like Alonso needs a Mascherano/Busquets behind him.

Also, you have to understand why he isn't so noticeable, without runners running behind the defense, you won't see him threading through balls. His job will then only be to keep the tempo and spread the play.
He can direct the tempo but yet play a fast direct game. You just need to watch more Barca matches to know that smile.gif

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Alba's goal was awesome!
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3 consecutive titles. Simply amazing.
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Weeee areee theee championnnnnn euro 2012............viva espanaaaaaaaa..
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Torres golden boot winner smile.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jul 2 2012, 04:40 AM)
Torres golden boot winner smile.gif
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For real? I just asked this....hmm..
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Champions Champions! History makersssss!

Brilliant brilliant!

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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Jul 2 2012, 04:44 AM)
Champions Champions! History makersssss!

Proud to support Spain since 2008! Brilliant brilliant!
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Since 2008. Well.... OK.
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Balotelli scored 3 goals in 6 games

Torres, Gomez, C.Ronaldo scored 3 goals in 5 games

But Torres and Gomez have an assist to their names

Mandzukic and Dzagoev both scored 3 in 3 games

Dzagoev played less minutes than Mandzukic

Torres is the cup winner

So...who wins?
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Jul 2 2012, 04:52 AM)
Balotelli scored 3 goals in 6 games

Torres, Gomez, C.Ronaldo scored 3 goals in 5 games

But Torres and Gomez have an assist to their names

Mandzukic and Dzagoev both scored 3 in 3 games

Dzagoev played less minutes than Mandzukic

Torres is the cup winner

So...who wins?
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Torres played less minutes. Torres get the golden boot


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For real? I just asked this....hmm..
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Yes, he won

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Torres played less minutes. Torres get the golden boot


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Yes, he won
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Mmmm the Torres I love is back!
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jul 2 2012, 05:02 AM)
Torres played less minutes. Torres get the golden boot


Added on July 2, 2012, 5:03 am
Yes, he won
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not because of that.

because he had an assist to his name.

all the goals for Spain tonight came via a through ball, if everyone noticed. not high balls. that destroyed the whole Italian defence altogether.
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QUOTE(Sheep319 @ Jul 2 2012, 05:06 AM)
not because of that.

because he had an assist to his name.

all the goals for Spain tonight came via a through ball, if everyone noticed. not high balls. that destroyed the whole Italian defence altogether.
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Gomez also had an assist but due to the fact that Torres played less minute, he won.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jul 2 2012, 05:08 AM)
Gomez also had an assist but due to the fact that Torres played less minute, he won.
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Juan Mata finally made an appearance, which he scored after coming on biggrin.gif

I believe the Italian coach messed up his tactics. He knows Cassano is short of match fitness and yet he fielded him in the starting lineup although he has the ability to barge through defense, still a risk to start him, subbed off during the second half and that proved costly because once Thiago Motta pulled his hamstring, it was a lost cause. Nevertheless, Xavi was brilliant this morning, put an end to all his critics of being 'off form'
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thumbs up to torres... 15 mins cameo appearance with 1 goal and 1 assist... can't ask for more.... ended up as golden boot winner as well
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Well done La Furia Roja. Congratulations for winning with the style that you believe in. Simply gorgeous performance rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Pique-Ramos partnership has been brilliant throughout the tournament. Before this I thought Pique and Ramos are doomed to fail. Pique is just too slow, coming out from an inconsistent season, while Ramos sometimes lack the concentration of Puyol essential to cover up Pique's weaknesses. But at the end, both of them have been superb.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jul 2 2012, 05:21 PM)
Well done La Furia Roja. Congratulations for winning with the style that you believe in. Simply gorgeous performance rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Pique-Ramos partnership has been brilliant throughout the tournament. Before this I thought Pique and Ramos are doomed to fail. Pique is just too slow, coming out from an inconsistent season, while Ramos sometimes lack the concentration of Puyol essential to cover up Pique's weaknesses. But at the end, both of them have been superb.
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Yeah. Football has won.JK JK smile.gif

Although they didn't make too many mistakes besides the failed offside traps, I still think that Pique is losing it.

Glad that the players stepped up a gear.
It's just like at Barca. Sometimes it can get so boring with them playing so slowly but when it comes to crunch time vs. big clubs or finals, they step up a few gears. Jsut look at Xavi today. 2 beautiful assists.
But in defence of his previous lacklustre performances, he needs players to make runs.

Busquets was phenomenal!

Ramos was a beast!

Alba was an energizer bunny! Can't wait to see him linking up with Iniesta and Pedro on a daily basis.

Iniesta was being an Illusionist!

Cesc was great playing in an unfamiliar position.
Thank you Pep for starting the whole false 9 thingy.

Credit to Torres for being effective.

God damn! Why didn't Messi take up the offer to play for Spain. Look at him now. Getting booed by his own people!
If he had chosen to play for Spain, the world #1 debate will never happen whenever Ronaldo scoresa brace or more.


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Sorry, not a Barca fan nor fan of their gameplay. Manchester United fan through and through. I do however, support Valencia CF as my favourite Spanish side. And supporting the La Furia Roja since 2007  thumbup.gif
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Oh Valencia.
Yeah Valencia.
They've had great squads over the course of the last 12 years in particular 1999-2001.

They were good back then.
Angulo the #10.
The Gerard #8 who then went back to Barca and failed miserably like Riquelme and Mendieta.
Pablo Aimar #18 who I still think should've gone to a bigger club after that.
Ayala #3.
Canizares with his silver hair and silver shoes in CL 2000 before the Euros.

Did you watch Valencia vs. Barcelona in 2002?
The famous Rivaldo hattrick where he scored the last goal with a bicycle kick in injury time and
sent Barca to CL. I still get goosebumps when I think of that match.

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Congratulations to Spain for being the first European team to win thee major international tournaments. While I didn't think they were at their best throughout the tournament (I thought Germany were the best) but they were on another level in the final. Even the great master Andrea Pirlo couldn't play. Spain also did really well without top goalscorer David Villa and commanding centre back Carles Puyol.

Also hats off to Casillas, Iniesta, Ramos, Xavi to be the four players to only start the 2008, 2010 and 2012 finals.

Spain. Love the country, love the city. Got some kind of Spanish thing going on for me XD

I love the way they play football. Pass, move, find space, repeat. It's the way I like how football is to be played. They've shown that you don't need to be big sized, have strength of a brute or have pace like a speed demon. The game is played with your brain and using your non physical attributes to the max. It has become an identity for Spaniards because I've played with Spanish people and they play the same as well!!

So there's no secret I'm also a fan of Barcelona (they're my Spanish team) but I will always choose Liverpool over them.

I see alot of similarities between Barcelona and Liverpool so that's one reason why I like Barca. As I've stated while I like the way Spain play, I became a Spain fan because Liverpool then had Rafa Benitez as manager with Xabi Alonso, Fernando Torres, Pepe Reina and Alvaro Arbeloa in the team. Don't forget Fernando Morientes, Luis Garcia before and Albert Riera after as well.

Some say they are boring because they just pass, pass, pass and pass but I disagree.

A great man once said ...

Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.
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And Spain are amazingly simple and yet possible one of the greatest teams ever.

People often forget that their young age groups (u-21, u-19, u-17 and so on) also play the same way. While the likes of Puyol, Xavi, Xabi, Villa may not be in the first team or even in the squad in the next World Cup or Euros, there's still Javi Martinez, Juan Mata, Cesc Fabregas, Iker Muniain, Christian Tello, Isaac Cuenca, Callejon and all.

Wouldn't be surprise to see the youngsters coming through and maintaining Spain's status of one of the best footballing teams ever. Viva Espana!

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QUOTE(barca96 @ Jul 2 2012, 06:02 PM)
They were good back then.
Angulo the #10.
The Gerard #8 who then went back to Barca and failed miserably like Riquelme and Mendieta.
Pablo Aimar #18 who I still think should've gone to a bigger club after that.
Ayala #3.
Canizares with his silver hair and silver shoes in CL 2000 before the Euros.
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first thought spain game a boring game to watch, but the spain -italy final is really good i must say.
jordi alba is really a threat in attacking, didnt see him defend much though.

false 9 is good, but still prefer a traditional CF, then not every attack must group from the midfield. the last 2 goals, direct pass from midfield to Torres at the front, caught italy in surprise, quick and smooth, maybe the italy already exhausted and kind of give up oredi...

anyway great game from the spain...
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Where r the torres doubters? lol.
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Where r the torres doubters? lol.
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I'm here. He still plays crap. 2 goals against the mighty Ireland. Reminds me of his 'world class' performance against New Zealand in previous Confed Cup. Scored another goal against a team appeared to be very tired from chasing his much more brilliant teammates. He never showed the chemistry when it matter the most.

Furthermore, the golden boot. What a ridiculous rule, giving the trophy to the scorer who play the least minute. IMO the player who plays the least minute is the player who have the least influence in the team, the least trusted player by his coach. And his only assist was against tired defenders as well? Gomez for me any day, or if you wanna take out the crap rule, Ronaldo may win it as well.

Now flame me biggrin.gif
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maybe torres not really on form nowadays.. his goal can say a bit luck from good assist.. im prefer youngster soldado.. or lorento to replace him... shud see them in next WC 2014.. and play pedro a lot..

he's can be a disaster .. even im RM fan.. but in spain.. i will support all the players...
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jul 4 2012, 11:47 AM)
I'm here. He still plays crap. 2 goals against the mighty Ireland. Reminds me of his 'world class' performance against New Zealand in previous Confed Cup. Scored another goal against a team appeared to be very tired from chasing his much more brilliant teammates. He never showed the chemistry when it matter the most.

Furthermore, the golden boot. What a ridiculous rule, giving the trophy to the scorer who play the least minute. IMO the player who plays the least minute is the player who have the least influence in the team, the least trusted player by his coach. And his only assist was against tired defenders as well? Gomez for me any day, or if you wanna take out the crap rule, Ronaldo may win it as well.

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Me too. Look at his performance against France. Can't even run more than 10 meters without losing the ball. But as for golden boot i think he's bit as much deserved it. He could score another one but he squared the ball for Mata.

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well i'm not really to bash torres, as what i'm reading before, if we doesn't take all the torres goal into account, chelsea will still finish with the same point in epl. and the same thing happened in euro, minus all torres goal, spain still in driving position.

i'm not saying torres is useless, no. but he is far from his best. people say he ends the season with ucl, fa cup and euro2012 trophies but imo it was more of drogba than him. he's not been decisive, and he's not getting younger too.

maybe i still miss the old torres sad.gif
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QUOTE(zeronehza @ Jul 4 2012, 11:52 AM)
maybe torres not really on form nowadays.. his goal can say a bit luck from good assist.. im prefer youngster soldado.. or lorento to replace him... shud see them in next WC 2014.. and play pedro a lot..

he's can be a disaster .. even im RM fan.. but in spain.. i will support all the players...
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IMHO, as a keen follower of the kind of football Spain is playing (possession/tikitaka/boring, whatever you prefer to call), Torres' form has been crap for so long, I can't remember when the crap form started. Even during Euro 2008 he was crap. 2 goals the whole tournament, Villa 4 goals despite missing 2 final games iinm. His pace gave him the upper hand in certain situation, but most of the time, he mainly mistimed his runs.

People said Spanish midfield seldom give the through passes he needed when he was at good positions, but that is utter crap. The one of the best midfield unit ever seen in history (contain best passers like Iniesta Xavi Alonso) won't risk losing the ball by attempting through balls to strikers who always mistimed runs. Look at Alba, what a run it was, and Xavi never hesitate to attempt the through pass.

Torres should learn from Alba. Its no shame of course. Alba used to play as a striker at Barca's academy. Its Emery who converted him to play as LB.


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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Jul 4 2012, 11:59 AM)
But as for golden boot i think he's bit as much deserved it. He could score another one but he squared the ball for Mata.
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Probably. But you know, I'm a Torres hater. So I'd prefer Gomez or even Ronaldo to win it anyday eventhough Torres is Spanish laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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maybe i still miss the old torres  sad.gif
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LOL, I just wonder, if Iniesta ever get even hlf of the love Torres has been getting, I think Messi will lose the Ballon d'Or.

I understand why you miss him though. His early spells with Liverpool was brilliant, even the Spanish were surprised. But the truth, it was a long time ago smile.gif

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Where r the torres doubters? lol.
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I'm still not entirely convinced ...

I personally thought he was playing better in the last few weeks of the Premier League for Chelsea .. then he plays like shit in the first Spain game. Then he scores two goals against Ireland, who are a very poor side, then he played like shit again the next game.

Yes, he won the golden boot, he won the Euros, he won the Champions League, he won the FA Cup but he still looks like he has lost that extra thing in him which made him one of the world's most feared strikers. I'm not going to say things like he didn't contribute alot because football is a team sport.

And how many times have we said "TORRES IS BACK!". We said it when he scored agianst West Ham, we said it when he scored against Man United, we said it when he scored the hat trick against QPR, we said it when he scored against Barca, we said it when he scored against Ireland and we said it when he scored and assisted in the final.

I will believe it when I see it but as of now, Torres doesn't look the same player Liverpool signed 5 years ago. He was hungry, he chased every ball, he was unplayable. Now he looks like he has lost that extra yard of pace, it looks like his control and touches have become so bad and it looks like his decision making has dropped.

I only have pity for Llorente (who never got a single minute) and Soldado (great record at Valencia last season and not even selected) who had to watch in despair when Torres put on a crappy performance.

He didn't have a great scoring record for Atletico (30%). He doesn't have a great scoring record for Chelsea (18%) and for Spain (30%) (And Spain is full of quality). So my conclusion is, Rafa Benitez got the best out of him with (57%). Even David Villa has played less games and has a better record but of course they are different players but I'm just saying the Spain squad is not the problem.

It has gone on far too long to be a confidence and form issue. Almost 2 years since the World Cup time.
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I'm still not entirely convinced ...

I personally thought he was playing better in the last few weeks of the Premier League for Chelsea .. then he plays like shit in the first Spain game. Then he scores two goals against Ireland, who are a very poor side, then he played like shit again the next game.

Yes, he won the golden boot, he won the Euros, he won the Champions League, he won the FA Cup but he still looks like he has lost that extra thing in him which made him one of the world's most feared strikers. I'm not going to say things like he didn't contribute alot because football is a team sport.

And how many times have we said "TORRES IS BACK!". We said it when he scored agianst West Ham, we said it when he scored against Man United, we said it when he scored the hat trick against QPR, we said it when he scored against Barca, we said it when he scored against Ireland and we said it when he scored and assisted in the final.

I will believe it when I see it but as of now, Torres doesn't look the same player Liverpool signed 5 years ago. He was hungry, he chased every ball, he was unplayable. Now he looks like he has lost that extra yard of pace, it looks like his control and touches have become so bad and it looks like his decision making has dropped.

I only have pity for Llorente (who never got a single minute) and Soldado (great record at Valencia last season and not even selected) who had to watch in despair when Torres put on a crappy performance.

He didn't have a great scoring record for Atletico (30%). He doesn't have a great scoring record for Chelsea (18%) and for Spain (30%) (And Spain is full of quality). So my conclusion is, Rafa Benitez got the best out of him with (57%). Even David Villa has played less games and has a better record but of course they are different players but I'm just saying the Spain squad is not the problem.

It has gone on far too long to be a confidence and form issue. Almost 2 years since the World Cup time.
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Torres doesnt lose the pace. He is afraid to use his pace. Read somewhere else that if he pulled his hamstring again, he will be out for long long time due to the previous injuries he had.
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Torres doesnt lose the pace. He is afraid to use his pace. Read somewhere else that if he pulled his hamstring again, he will be out for long long time due to the previous injuries he had.
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Well .. but to say he doesn't lose pace is wrong. He has got older from the time he was with us.

If that's the case, then he will never be back to the Torres everyone saw. His pace was his best asset that scared the shit out of players but well however, his pace has nothing to do with his poor touches, control and decision making.
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Profile: Spain’s gentlemanly football genius, Vicente del Bosque
He was famously fired by Real Madrid before taking charge of the national team and many of the world’s best players. But the mastermind behind Spain’s successful European champions always keeps his cool.
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Quietly spoken and diplomatic, Del Bosque has united players from different backgrounds in the Spanish squad.
Gentlemen are thin on the pitch in soccer today, but if anybody deserves the soubriquet of el caballero, it’s Vicente del Bosque, the coach of Spain’s national side.
Going into the European Cup with a World Cup under his belt, and with Spain the favourites to win the tournament for the second consecutive time, Del Bosque, 61, displayed his typical understatement when describing his team’s chances, saying: “The important thing is not to lose a sense of modesty, that they continue being good guys and if they continue like that, everything can get better.” And better they got: progressing steadfastly through the tournament to trounce Italy 4-0 in the final on July 1 in Kiev.
Del Bosque’s success with the national side is Real Madrid’s loss; the club unceremoniously dumped him in 2003 after he won a major trophy in each of his four seasons at the Bernabéu.
Del Bosque was relieved of his duties the day after he won Real Madrid’s 29th league title. Club president Florentino Pérez said: “Del Bosque’s profile is a traditional one, we’re looking for someone with more emphasis on tactics, strategy and physical preparation. We believe that the squad we are building would be more powerful with a coach with a different character.”
The decision was not only extremely ungracious, but also ill-advised. While Real won two far-from-pretty league titles between 2003 and 2011, the likes of Carlos Queiroz, Bernd Schuster and Fabio Capello all failed to match Del Bosque’s feats, and it has taken Mourinho two bad-tempered seasons before claiming a league title. The club has failed to reach a Champions League final since 2002, and has been forced to play second fiddle to Barcelona domestically.
Del Bosque is, at least in public, the antithesis of Mourinho: he never wanted the spotlight to be turned on him in the first place, never enjoyed the pressure and ultimately paid the price for not being a big enough name for a club where image is everything.
He said little at the time of his departure and maintained his dignified front. But later he said that he was hurt by the manner of his exit, particularly the way in which it was “leaked out through the hangers-on at the club”. He said that he could not sit on the balcony of his flat overlooking the club’s training ground for many years, and it was not until 2009, the year after he had become coach of the national team, that he could bring himself to return to the Bernabéu for a Real Madrid game again.
Respect for the old school
The irony that Del Bosque led Spain to their maiden World Cup with the core of his squad hailing from Barcelona, has not been lost on many. With the players’ mentality having strengthened in the wake of the Euro 2008 triumph under Luis Aragonés, Del Bosque took control of what was already a well-oiled machine and set about making the team even better.
He is the kind of coach that players respect: he had been a popular, if unspectacular, defensive midfielder for Real during the 1970s and early 1980s, winning five league titles and four Spanish Cups in addition to 18 international caps. His avuncular, low-key approach has generally avoided confrontation with his players, despite the stellar egos in the squad, and he has never once lost his calm in front of the media – a far cry from his predecessor, the often hostile Aragonés.
While many viewed Del Bosque as a brilliantly capable coach, having already won La Liga and Champions League titles at club level, the new coach was largely branded as the beneficiary of much of Aragonés’s hard work in developing the unique one-touch passing, possession-style of play that Spain had employed on the way to conquering Europe in 2008.
The core of the Roja ranks was largely set and the team’s tactics needed few adjustments (at least initially). But where Del Bosque was set to truly make his impact on the Spanish national team was in his ability to create a piña; a Spanish term that literally means ‘pineapple’, but figuratively references a close-knit band of brothers, resembling the tropical fruit’s close bunching.
His soft-spoken, unassuming approach reflects that increasingly rare quality in Spaniards: educación, meaning politeness, a certain formality and respect when dealing with people. Del Bosque rarely wears his emotions on his sleeve and still prefers to keep away from the limelight. In managing the national side, the Salamanca-born coach’s innate diplomatic skills have come to the fore. Despite his traditional background from central Spain, Del Bosque is a man of progressive ideals and excels in bringing people together to create a sense of pluralism in his teams. It was this quality in particular that allowed the coach to blend a squad of players from across Spain’s diversity of nationalistic regions and put together the World Cup-winning side of 2010.
Closing the Barça-Real rift
In this context, his handling of the at times explosive Barcelona-Madrid relationship is particularly notable. With the national side, he was lucky to inherit that Barcelona core of players brought up under Pep Guardiola, in a squad where teamwork and a team spirit were, and remain, the order of the day.
The facts speak for themselves: Del Bosque became the most successful coach of all time on debut with a national team when he won his first 13 games in charge. He also helped guide the country to a new record of 15 consecutive wins, and joined Brazil’s class of 1993 to 1996 with the longest undefeated run of 33 matches.
In a combined 18 qualification games for the 2010 World Cup and Euro 2012, Del Bosque has won all 18. He has only ever lost two competitive encounters: to the United States in the 2009 Confederations Cup and to Switzerland in their opening game of the 2010 World Cup.
During his first 50 games as Spain coach, he won 42, while drawing two and losing six with 123 goals scored and just 40 conceded in the process.
Just before the European Cup, Del Bosque said that he will stay with Spain until the World Cup in Brazil in 2014, where, despite his modesty, his side will be among the favourites, and perhaps in with a chance of joining Brazil and Italy in winning two consecutive World Cups. If it does, it couldn’t have happened to a nicer chap.
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Spain advanced into Final of EURO U-19 currently played in Estonia.

Spain won the semis against France on penalties, after drawing 3-3 after extra time.



They will meet the surprise package Greece in the final.

This is the full list of the U19 squad, though I got it from old news. So I'm not aware of any last minute changes. Most probably there are changes made.

Athletic Club de Bilbao: Jonas Ramalho Chimeno and Kepa Arrizabalaga Revuelta
Atletico de Madrid: Saul Niguez Esclapez, Javier Manquillo Gaitan and Oliver Torres Munoz
FC Barcelona: Gerard Deulofeu Lazaro and Alejandro Grimaldo Garcia
RC Celta de Vigo: Jonathan Castro Otto
RC Deportivo la Coruna: Pablo Insua Blanco
Liverpool FC: Jesus Fernandez Saez (Suso)
Malaga CF: Juan Miguel Jiménez López (Juanmi) – Captain.
Manchester City FC: Denis Suarez Fernandez
Real Madrid CF: Jesé Rodriguez Ruiz and Derik Osede Prieto
Sevilla FC: José Gómez Campana
Valencia CF: Francisco Alcacer Garcia (Paco) and Juan Bernat Velasco
Villarreal CF: Adrian Ortola Vano

Jese of Real is currently the leading scorer with 4 goals.
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is astro goin to show live for the finals?
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is astro goin to show live for the finals?
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I believe Astro won't show it live. The final will be at 2.30 am, so I will share working streaming links for those who are interested.

Paco hasn't been preferred much for the first eleven, but he has came off the bench in nearly all the matches, and I must say his impact has been positive each time he came on nod.gif The commentator said that while Paco is a very talented kid, his form has dropped since his father passed away recently. But I guess you know this already right?
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I am hoping to see Suso make a few Liverpool appearances this season.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jul 15 2012, 07:32 PM)
I believe Astro won't show it live. The final will be at 2.30 am, so I will share working streaming links for those who are interested.

Paco hasn't been preferred much for the first eleven, but he has came off the bench in nearly all the matches, and I must say his impact has been positive each time he came on nod.gif The commentator said that while Paco is a very talented kid, his form has dropped since his father passed away recently. But I guess you know this already right?
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i only know about his father deceased after he scored his first goal with Valencia sad.gif
He might break through to Valencia for up coming season, hope to see more of him in Laliga.

for now, all the best to Espana-U19!! amunt!



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I am hoping to see Suso make a few Liverpool appearances this season.
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Din really catch the u19 championships. Have anyone seen Suso play so far? How was it?
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The Olympics is next!! laugh.gif laugh.gif Spain is steamrolling the international scene at all age.

The final was, well, it was TOTAL domination. Clearly a class above the rest of the tournament. Let see how they progress come the U20 World Cup next year.

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Din really catch the u19 championships. Have anyone seen Suso play so far? How was it?
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He was good, showed nice set of skills. But really, this is a tournament for boys, so nothing much can be made out of their performance here. His future still relies heavily on how soon Liverpool are willing to give him a role in the first team.
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Din really catch the u19 championships. Have anyone seen Suso play so far? How was it?
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I've never watched a game but I did see some youtube highlights (yes, I know!) but Suso has great passing abilities and is skilful. He's also got a bit of shooting in him and I think he had a free kick that hit the bar. He's kinda a bit like Alonso in terms of passing but he moves alot more and looks more mobile.

However, does look a bit one footed (although he can pass with his right as well) and when he was played on the right in one of the games, it wasn't his best game. Plays alot better in the centre.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jul 16 2012, 12:52 PM)
The Olympics is next!! laugh.gif  laugh.gif Spain is steamrolling the international scene at all age.

The final was, well, it was TOTAL domination. Clearly a class above the rest of the tournament. Let see how they progress come the U20 World Cup next year.
He was good, showed nice set of skills. But really, this is a tournament for boys, so nothing much can be made out of their performance here. His future still relies heavily on how soon Liverpool are willing to give him a role in the first team.
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Doubt he will make the cut anytime soon with his size that way. No way he can survive the tackle at this weight. Even Lucas (during his first and second seasons) had to go for weight gaining for better survival in premier league.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jul 17 2012, 04:22 AM)
Doubt he will make the cut anytime soon with his size that way. No way he can survive the tackle at this weight. Even Lucas (during his first and second seasons) had to go for weight gaining for better survival in premier league.
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Hmm I don't know sols, but I think Suso will not get the proper chance he deserves at Liverpool. I predict him to have some chances next season under Brendan, then he will quickly be adjudged as not 'fully developed physically yet', and he will get loaned out to some obviously lower level clubs, get his development heavily stunted as a result. After few seasons he will be sold to Atletico or Sevilla or similar Spanish clubs.

To me the biggest fallacy among English clubs in regards of youth development is 'loaning players out to have their physiques and competitive mentality built up'. I simply don't believe that. Being loaned out will only kills a youngster's confidence.

San Jose has already left Liverpool without playing a single senior game, now almost a fixed regular in Athletic. I also expect Pacheco to leave in the future.

Still, I do hope Liverpool prove me wrong. I hope Man City will do a good job with Denis too. He is also very talented.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jul 23 2012, 04:05 PM)
Hmm I don't know sols, but I think Suso will not get the proper chance he deserves at Liverpool. I predict him to have some chances next season under Brendan, then he will quickly be adjudged as not 'fully developed physically yet', and he will get loaned out to some obviously lower level clubs, get his development heavily stunted as a result. After few seasons he will be sold to Atletico or Sevilla or similar Spanish clubs.

To me the biggest fallacy among English clubs in regards of youth development is 'loaning players out to have their physiques and competitive mentality built up'. I simply don't believe that. Being loaned out will only kills a youngster's confidence.

San Jose has already left Liverpool without playing a single senior game, now almost a fixed regular in Athletic. I also expect Pacheco to leave in the future.

Still, I do hope Liverpool prove me wrong. I hope Man City will do a good job with Denis too. He is also very talented.
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Suso and pacheco are certainly two bright prospect. Pacheco should be getting his chances this season. He played pretty well thus far in pre season.

Anyway, U23 just kantoi to Japan doh.gif sweat.gif
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Spain mourns after Euro 2008 winning coach Aragones dies at the age of 75
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ies-age-75.html

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for the first time, none from barcelona.

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for the first time, none from barcelona.

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Luis Enrique confirmed as new Spain boss following World Cup 2018 disappointment

The former Barcelona boss has agreed a two-year deal and replaces Fernando Hierro

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post Nov 11 2022, 08:44 PM

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