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post Jun 22 2009, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(selenium @ Jun 22 2009, 05:00 PM)
the answer would be cloning technique.

clone a human being. and see if it retains memory.

then teleport it. and see if it still retains memories.
plus. who said teleportation has to be disintegrating and re-assembling matter to move and object.

you can always move space itself
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That would be harder isn't it? to move the space?
Moving a single entity is already hard, but you're planning to move the entire background! notworthy.gif
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post Jun 22 2009, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jun 22 2009, 01:44 PM)
Thats just a single atom in a few nm which it could be a dislocation.

1 gram of carbons have 6.012 x10^23 atoms,how would the receiver know where to put them back,what orientation?
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then i wonder, what happen if the system when offline or the computer hang in the process? then we got half human? shocking.gif
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post Jun 22 2009, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(amduser @ Jun 22 2009, 10:01 PM)
then i wonder, what happen if the system when offline or the computer hang in the process? then we got half human? shocking.gif
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Do you think they will start to teleport human before they check it a thousand time?
and i believe it will just takes a few sec to teleport. Let's say if really really unfortunetly they comp hang. I hope they have Plan B.
Actually not "hope" but they "should have" biggrin.gif


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post Jun 23 2009, 01:14 AM

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In order to teleport someone/something from point A to point B, it requires a super nano-tech to copy the details of the person/thing and then transport to another location.
Upon the receiver got the copy information, there must a need to compute the checksum to validate the copy.

Once the checksum is validated, the person/thing can be reconstruct at point B without any issue.
If there is a system failure, then it's sayonara to that person/thing or stored in the memory...

Now, this is interesting... if the transporter can copy the details of the person/thing, then the information is definitely store in a memory in order to bring to point B. Therefore the system can copy one/many person/thing out of thin air... whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Jun 29 2009, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Jun 21 2009, 03:17 PM)
I remember reading something to the effect that teleportation's biggest challenge is:

1. the complexity of breaking down and reforming an object

2. the speed at which such a process can be achieved

Point 1. is already hard enough, but even if that is managed, at what speeds can we disintegrate and reconstitute an object? If teleportation is going to take longer that physical travel, then it would be pointless wouldn't it?
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QUOTE(aranur @ Jun 21 2009, 04:10 PM)
imagine arriving at the destination without your soul, or at least with all your circuit power down.
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It's impossible to teleport through reconstruction method. A better solution is to use wormhole technique. By using massive energy, we tear apart the space, create the wormhole, walk across it. thumbup.gif

Another method is through time traveling. Say we want to go to US, which is 12 hours journey. When we arrive, all we need to do is to time-travel back 12 hours so we virtually arrived the moment we leave Malaysia! To another person, it's like we teleported. But it fact, we did normal traveling and time travelling. The cons is that we grow old faster. whistling.gif

Combine both, wormhole (space) and time manipulation, we get teleportation. laugh.gif No need for headache of missing butt, cloning, scanning, checksum, etc.

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post Jun 29 2009, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Jun 23 2009, 01:14 AM)
Now, this is interesting... if the transporter can copy the details of the person/thing, then the information is definitely store in a memory in order to bring to point B. Therefore the system can copy one/many person/thing out of thin air...   whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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every time you teleport you will destroy your original copy, that is basically being killed rclxub.gif

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post Jun 29 2009, 10:14 PM

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Well, in my thoughts, teleportation can exists in 2 ways.
1st, like you guys mentioned up there. you scan your body's molecule structure, make a copy out of it, break it into molecule form and transport to another place and reconstruct everything.

This method may actually worked but it contained some risks that you may get trapped, biologically imperfect after the reconstructing and other reasons which you guys can actually imagine of.

As for my concept, perhaps there is a dimension which is in parallel timeline with us. We kinda access through the dimension which will shorten the distance between the entrance and the exit of the dimension.
Just like some movies where those spaceships can access through the universe in a dimension providing enough speed.

Well, its just my 2cents. Hope anyone who understand my concept will help me to elaborate more about the science behind it. And of course i would love to see teleportation is actually possible before i passed away.

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post Jun 30 2009, 06:00 AM

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body deconstruction and construction is 1 matter. body function is another. will the body remain functioning on arrival, assuming that all parts are correctly attached?

the human body operates not only on chemicals, the heart is powered by pacemakers which act on polarization and depolarization, in other words, miniscule electrical activity. as with neurons.

so, how is it gona work? will the electrical functions still function upon arrival, if so is the electrical signals transported along? will the body get confused or "mixed signals" after transportation? or will we just arrive dead?
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post Jun 30 2009, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Forgotten06 @ Jun 29 2009, 11:14 PM)
Well, in my thoughts, teleportation can exists in 2 ways.
1st, like you guys mentioned up there. you scan your body's molecule structure, make a copy out of it, break it into molecule form and transport to another place and reconstruct everything.

This method may actually worked but it contained some risks that you may get trapped, biologically imperfect after the reconstructing and other reasons which you guys can actually imagine of.

As for my concept, perhaps there is a dimension which is in parallel timeline with us. We kinda access through the dimension which will shorten the distance between the entrance and the exit of the dimension.
Just like some movies where those spaceships can access through the universe in a dimension providing enough speed.

Well, its just my 2cents. Hope anyone who understand my concept will help me to elaborate more about the science behind it. And of course i would love to see teleportation is actually possible before i passed away.

Cheers.
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Not exactly, quantum teleportation work by principle of entanglement. There are 3 point with 1 point of origin and 1 point of destination. Between them they are a point which sort of link both of them together, this is call entanglement. Any change in point of origin will reflect on point of destination. So as a result, you won't have a ass missing when transferring because the change is occur instantaneously through the entanglement.

However, currently teleportation still prove to be impossible because our understanding of how quantum theory truly works and to transfer an atom require lot of energy. Imagine we transfer a human with million or even billion of atom, the require energy will be massive.

This is my understanding about quantum teleportation. Go google it there are lot of such subject in internet.
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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jun 20 2009, 02:14 PM)
argh.. I didn't watch that movie ! solid object ? what if that solid object particle got 'merged' into the human body? just like the philadelphia project where the navy ppl have their body 'merged' into the ship
an atom would easy i think.. since its just transmit particle over air... just like how fibre optics transmit light..
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I think that the answer, fibre optics transmit light, then light transmit atom by atom of solid particle object. My physics teacher said "Light exists in tiny "packets" called photons ". Einstein's hypothesis that light itself is quantized; the quanta of light are photons.
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QUOTE(-Max91- @ Jun 22 2009, 07:21 PM)
I believe teleportation can be achieved...however..i hope tat human will not create such machine..make travelling less fun >_< juz like shopping, now ppl more and more use online shopping...spoil the fun of shopping in a mall, lol
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But with teleportation machines, you can teleport to NewYork/Paris/HongKong/Taipei in the matter of seconds to shop and teleport back when you are done shoppin biggrin.gif. I know alot of girls who shop around malls during the day and shop online at night wink.gif
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post Jul 2 2009, 02:02 PM

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only spirit can teleport , first we need to die in our physical.
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post Jul 5 2009, 08:12 PM

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There is small scale project had been done on transportation subject. They only manage to teleport small quantum of light. Nevertheless, more test has to be conducted with more budget to invest. If human was teleported, the body had to be separated into small part (not sure how smaller is it micropart hehe) and will travel through another space. Upon destination, the whole part of pcs will be assembled together. You know if they calculate wrongly, the body would assemble in wrong manner. Just image the head become upside down.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jun 29 2009, 09:14 PM)
every time you teleport you will destroy your original copy, that is basically being killed  rclxub.gif
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Almost sounds like we're being cloned... sounds really screwy...
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QUOTE(rainpocky @ Jul 10 2009, 07:52 AM)
Almost sounds like we're being cloned... sounds really screwy...
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Yes, and since the clone has the memory of the original copy, thinks he is the original copy, and everyone thinks the experiment was a success...when the original has already been vaporized... biggrin.gif
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freeze the human, electrocute until nothing left,, like what einstein said, energy cannot be destroyed but having their form transformed(like burning an item turns to light, heat and energy)...so solid(after freezed) --> light (both carries atom) using electrocution until nothing is left from top to bottom, in serial. when transferred using optic fiber with super lossless medium so no energy is lost.. At the other side using the + - charge to pull each and every atom in its order with heat to combine them before unfreeze... this is not the same as cloned, but having their form evaporized,transferred and reassemblied.
hope he's still alive.. XD
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QUOTE(lin00b @ Jun 22 2009, 02:17 AM)
lets pretend that teleportation (ie breaking down and transporting particles and reconstructing them in the exact manner) is possible. how would they teleport something living?

life is not merely a collection of precisely arranged carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, etc particles. what about intangible stuff like memory, identity, etc?

therefore, the teleportation envisioned in sci-fi shall remain as they are -- fiction
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memory is just a sequence of connected nuerons(like hard drives do), memory identity will stay intact as long as 100% is arranged correctly (includes sub atmoic particles)
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I think the method of disassembling and reassembling is not wise enough. Instead, link teleport with dimensional is a better choice.

For example, in 2nd dimensional, if 1 object suddenly invades into 3rd dimensional and go back to 2 dimensional, it will like teleportation as 2nd dimensional only a flat surface where 2nd dimensional organism only can see the 2 touch point of 2nd and 3rd dimensional.

Hence, if we, human, can go to 4th dimensional and come back 3rd dimensional, then it is equally teleportation. I believe this is also something related to black hole(wormhole)

It is also more safe if things went wrong. We will stuck at other dimension or even between parallel timeline or space or dimension but at least not die of disassembling.

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QUOTE(Ivangile @ Jul 20 2009, 05:09 PM)


It is also more safe if things went wrong. We will stuck at other dimension or even between parallel timeline or space or dimension but at least not die of disassembling.
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Well, provided that those "dimension" really can accomodate and sustain human life. Maybe those dimensions are the real "netherworld" or worse.... a void itself. its still death per se (a half glass empty thinking) ... or an eternity of entrapment (a half full thinking, with hope of being saved by fellow humans) smile.gif

We are fed with too much sci-fi movies that shows the concept of dimension as alternate equivalent of us, but just in different "layers" or "copies", existing in the same timeline. some potrays dimensions as alien world/universe. If the teleportation screwed up, i definitely wont want to end up in their world, dying from their "poisonous" atmosphere (either that, or I'll die choking from their native food they offered LOL)



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