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post Jun 21 2009, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Jun 21 2009, 03:17 PM)
I remember reading something to the effect that teleportation's biggest challenge is:

1. the complexity of breaking down and reforming an object

2. the speed at which such a process can be achieved

Point 1. is already hard enough, but even if that is managed, at what speeds can we disintegrate and reconstitute an object? If teleportation is going to take longer that physical travel, then it would be pointless wouldn't it?
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they should do this experiment with space shuttle instead, if they succeed, then in the future the amount of fuel need to sent a space shuttle will be greatly reduce.
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post Jun 21 2009, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(amduser @ Jun 21 2009, 11:01 PM)
they should do this experiment with space shuttle instead, if they succeed, then in the future the amount of fuel need to sent a space shuttle will be greatly reduce.
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it will be real cool.. imagine the shuttle in warp mode... something like startrek... thumbup.gif


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post Jun 21 2009, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(Gravity @ Jun 21 2009, 11:06 PM)
it will be real cool.. imagine the shuttle in warp mode... something like startrek...  thumbup.gif
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yes, really cool biggrin.gif

but that's only possible between a specific destination, which means point A and point B must have the teleport machine, unlike the space jump where you key in the coordinate of the position you want to go then you "jump" tongue.gif
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post Jun 22 2009, 02:17 AM

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lets pretend that teleportation (ie breaking down and transporting particles and reconstructing them in the exact manner) is possible. how would they teleport something living?

life is not merely a collection of precisely arranged carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, etc particles. what about intangible stuff like memory, identity, etc?

therefore, the teleportation envisioned in sci-fi shall remain as they are -- fiction
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post Jun 22 2009, 02:42 AM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ Jun 22 2009, 02:17 AM)
lets pretend that teleportation (ie breaking down and transporting particles and reconstructing them in the exact manner) is possible. how would they teleport something living?

life is not merely a collection of precisely arranged carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, etc particles. what about intangible stuff like memory, identity, etc?

therefore, the teleportation envisioned in sci-fi shall remain as they are -- fiction
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flying in the air was once "fictional" too. and so did walking on the moon.
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post Jun 22 2009, 02:49 AM

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QUOTE(St.Fu @ Jun 22 2009, 02:42 AM)
flying in the air was once "fictional" too. and so did walking on the moon.
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true, but this fiction require significant progress in a lot of other field to achieve. ie, you have to answer what is life and soul first. teleporting inanimate object is a more realistic (as if any of those popular sci-fi is "realistic") goals

we do have some success in pseudo-teleportation of small particles. IIRC they instantaneously created same particle at B while destroying the original at A. so you have the effect of teleportation but whether its really teleportation or not is up to debate.
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post Jun 22 2009, 12:08 PM

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Wasn't there some lab in Europe that actually was able to move one atom to another spot, it required immense amount of energy, but I read this awhile back. It was at the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenahagen, Denmark. I wonder how close are they to perfecting a real live transportation. Its quite amusing how the world is trying to follow sci-fi like star trek things where they want to move objects from one place to another in a flash of a second. But all I can see in my mind is what possible can go horribly wrong. Imagine you get from one place to another but one of your body parts is back at the original spot.. creepy... but i'll probably be dead by the time they perfect it and my son's son would figure it out by then. haha
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post Jun 22 2009, 12:29 PM

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McD/PizzaHut delivery via teleportation...

go to http://www.mcd.com.my
make my order -> confirm
key in TP Add (Teleportation Protocol Address)
pay by credit card

1 minute later

Fillet-o-fish burger with extra cheese 'warped' and appears on my dining table(attached to the TP machine) and i realize my extra cheese topping is gone.. damn.. the 'cheese' particles got missing someway along the teleportation... there goes mah 50 cent..

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post Jun 22 2009, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jun 22 2009, 12:29 PM)
McD/PizzaHut delivery via teleportation...

go to http://www.mcd.com.my
make my order -> confirm
key in TP Add (Teleportation Protocol Address)
pay by credit card

1 minute later

Fillet-o-fish burger with extra cheese 'warped' and appears on my dining table(attached to the TP machine) and i realize my extra cheese topping is gone.. damn.. the 'cheese' particles got missing someway along the teleportation... there goes mah 50 cent..
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Haha, thats pretty cute, but what if one minute later you get the fillet o fish burger and it comes in radioactively high. Or its green in color...
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post Jun 22 2009, 12:35 PM

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Australia manage to "teleport" an atom in 2004. However the movement was so tiny (measured in nm) that scientists wondered if it was just a dislocation (term used to describe atom movement in materials engineering).

the same can be said for all other telportation "successes" up to now. The distance these atoms were so small, that we're even guessing if the move was artificial laugh.gif
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post Jun 22 2009, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(rainpocky @ Jun 22 2009, 12:35 PM)
Haha, thats pretty cute, but what if one minute later you get the fillet o fish burger and it comes in radioactively high. Or its green in color...
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hmm.. that would be nasty.. maybe they wanna save cost... teleported the burger and green apple soda together at the same time... doh.gif

QUOTE(corad @ Jun 22 2009, 12:35 PM)
Australia manage to "teleport" an atom in 2004. However the movement was so tiny (measured in nm) that scientists wondered if it was just a dislocation (term used to describe atom movement in materials engineering).

the same can be said for all other telportation "successes" up to now.  The distance these atoms were so small, that we're even guessing if the move was artificial  laugh.gif
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can dislocation of an object between point A and point B via a medium (air or cable) considered teleportation?

maybe we can just break the object (burger) atom into small particles of atom, and transmit it via cable to ur house... macam a modem/phone copper wire that transmit signals.
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post Jun 22 2009, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jun 22 2009, 12:41 PM)
hmm.. that would be nasty.. maybe they wanna save cost... teleported the burger and green apple soda together at the same time...  doh.gif
can dislocation of an object between point A and point B via a medium (air or cable) considered teleportation?

maybe we can just break the object (burger) atom into small particles of atom, and transmit it via cable to ur house... macam a modem/phone copper wire that transmit signals.
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I doubt that you can just break a complicated material like a burger to a bunch of zero and ones.

Besides,even if a single atom is not in the right place,it's gonna be a problem.
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post Jun 22 2009, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jun 22 2009, 12:49 PM)
I doubt that you can just break a complicated material like a burger to a bunch of zero and ones.

Besides,even if a single atom is not in the right place,it's gonna be a problem.
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yah.. maybe in terms of digitalization is not possible... maybe physically move the atoms via a medium.


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post Jun 22 2009, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jun 22 2009, 12:55 PM)
yah.. maybe in terms of digitalization is not possible... maybe physically move the atoms via a medium.
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I dont know much about quantum physics,but,i dont think it's that easy to do it,as matter isnt made up of zero and ones.Even if you could break up all the atoms,how would the receiver know where to put them back?

Teleport is still nothing but sci fi till now.

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post Jun 22 2009, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jun 22 2009, 01:22 PM)
I dont know much about quantum physics,but,i dont think it's that easy to do it,as matter isnt made up of zero and ones.Even if you could break up all the atoms,how would the receiver know where to put them back?

Teleport is still nothing but sci fi till now.
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a device that will capture the arrangement of the atom in sequence order. just like a data warehouse, we have x-y-z planes

teleport might be possible... check up on philadelphia experiment.. or previous posts has mentioned about the research on the atom jump.. considered teleport rite? wink.gif
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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jun 22 2009, 01:28 PM)
a device that will capture the arrangement of the atom in sequence order. just like a data warehouse, we have x-y-z planes

teleport might be possible... check up on philadelphia experiment.. or previous posts has mentioned about the research on the atom jump.. considered teleport rite? wink.gif
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Thats just a single atom in a few nm which it could be a dislocation.

1 gram of carbons have 6.012 x10^23 atoms,how would the receiver know where to put them back,what orientation?
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jun 22 2009, 01:44 PM)
Thats just a single atom in a few nm which it could be a dislocation.

1 gram of carbons have 6.012 x10^23 atoms,how would the receiver know where to put them back,what orientation?
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for a person like me, i dunno lol.. but those scientist out there sure have some solution or things they gonna found.... maybe can make use of nanotech?
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post Jun 22 2009, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jun 22 2009, 02:39 PM)
for a person like me, i dunno lol.. but those scientist out there sure have some solution or things they gonna found.... maybe can make use of nanotech?
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I dont know and im not really interested in teleport.

Nanotech is just a scale of machines,thats all.It would probably benefit us more in daily life.
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post Jun 22 2009, 05:00 PM

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the answer would be cloning technique.

clone a human being. and see if it retains memory.

then teleport it. and see if it still retains memories.


plus. who said teleportation has to be disintegrating and re-assembling matter to move and object.

you can always move space itself

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post Jun 22 2009, 07:21 PM

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I believe teleportation can be achieved...however..i hope tat human will not create such machine..make travelling less fun >_< juz like shopping, now ppl more and more use online shopping...spoil the fun of shopping in a mall, lol

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