As we speak, the G10 has finally arrived and shipped to dealers. RRP = RM6,399. TV ONLY.

The S10's RRP = RM4,499.

Major difference btw the two is the NeoPDP.

Want some feedback as whether the NeoPDP is worth the extra RM2K?

G10 is for those people who target on Pioneer KURO but having a tight budget.

S10 is a general FHD model for the standard consumer market.

Neo-PDP or Neo-XYZ...i personally don't care. As long as I get good picture to meet my expectations. What if next year if they update with Neo-ABC, are you going to update again? Can't you really see the difference? All company will come out with all sorts of gimmick with space age name to squeeze every cents out of your pocket. Its up to you whether you think its worth it or not.

For me, I try not to worry too much about paper spec. Just enjoy the movies!

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 16 2009, 07:25 PM

for once, you have given a logical comment. I have to agree fully.

just because you have different view from mine doesn't make my comment any more illogical.

technology is evolving every minute. if you dont come out with something space name which can get the huge market shares, other companies will take advantages on you.

this is the technology competition. people are always asking for the latest model when buying the electronic goods.

buy what you can afford, if you've never had a HDTV before, chances are, you'll be happy with any of the panny plasma... obviously, it'll be diff if you're upgrading...

So from the few comments here, can I take it as the NeoPDP technology is mere marketing fluff?

Higher contrast ratio, brighter, slimmer panel, saves energy. The NeoPDP in the G10 is definitely a step up from the S10, no doubt. My concern is whether all these 'improvements' are worth/significant enough to cough up the additional RM2,000.

RRP = RM6,399, how many inch?

by the way, what else apart from NeoPDP?
(and is it 100% really NeoPDP)?
btw,(i'm a bit slow),how did we knew S10 was not NeoPDP?

tq.

You're not in a hurry right? So wait until you can do a demo then decide if it's worth it or not. I find it pointless to ask in this forum when no one has actually demo'd the NeoPDP panel yet.

Also, why jump to conclusions so fast that it is mere marketing fluff? What is fluff is the comments given which so far are either uninformed or irrelevant. Basing your conclusion on the comments given so far is premature.

This post has been edited by jchong: Jun 16 2009, 11:16 PM

It is not always true that newer models are always better than the older model. With the price of the flat TV coming down so fast, manufacturers are sometimes force to release cheaper models to stay in the game and that means cutting out features using cheaper components to keep the price low while improving a little bit here and there just to the spec on paper looks good. Even the warranty period is cut. In the past even entry level flat tv have swivel stand but now you can hardly find them even in the mid range tv.

whether its worth Rm2000 is a personal call. Some people are so kiasu that they just have to have the latest. Some prefer to have the Rm2000 in their wallet warm and cosy.

as a matter of fact, 95% of the customers will still choose the new model instead of the old model before making decision. we just cant deny it.

other than that, the customers will look at the price (primary) and also the features (secondary). the customers dont take the cheaper components issue into the consideration

just an example, Pioneer KURO has a very high standard spec and also at a premium price, how many customers can afford this budget?

and now P42G10 is the closest rival to Pioneer KURO (ever since 50PY850 series) with a more reasonable price, this is the reason why Pioneer has to close down its Plasma panel production after this year due to pathetic market shares loss to panasonic since 2008.

for those who are looking for the best plasma tv yet at an affordable price, P42G10 is highly recommended.

When will u be listing the P42G10 in your sales thread?

for me....i will see both, if i like the g10, i just buy it but if the pq like the same, with 2k, i rather buy audio system..my idea..

Hey, Coolguy!

Its 42". The only G10 size in Malaysia (ATM, at least )

Its with the new NeoPDP, the thing thats lacking in the S10, and the one you were waiting for Other than that, the other difference (to S10) is its Sub-field Drive is 50Hz more. I don't think there's anything else major, thats why my question of whether the NeoPDP does justice to my sweat and blood RM2K.

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Added on June 17, 2009, 11:08 amDun worry, I actually do have my own opinion about the NeoPDP, but would just like to hear it from the rest of you guys first

There's no urgency and I do agree that the best way to conclude the 'value' of the NeoPDP is for a live demo, or at least a sneak peak from people like iamsobloodysick, htkaki, tan, etc. Having said that, its either the S10 or the G10 for me, and I heard the S10 promo with BD will end soon, hence ... kan cheong lo, thats why need some invaluable feedback soonest

This post has been edited by Lone*Wolf: Jun 17 2009, 11:08 AM

actually what really matters is Full HD or not. All this new terms are gimmicks. It is like cars. You have all the features etc, but do you use it? Or are they really needed? Other than ABS, most of the countless of features that have come out over the years are merely gimmicks.

The same with Plasmas.

The G series is a waste of money. It only serves those who have lots of money. At the double the price, it won't constitute volume for Panasonic. Volume brings money. Thus Panasonic would concentrate on their X and S.

There are actual panel differences in a NeoPDP panel as I described in my explanation in the LCD and Plasma Thread.

Actually Neo-PDP is also supposed to give higher luminance values, ie brighter whites. One of the drawbacks of plasma tech is that to display a full screen white screen would be limited due to what is known as the Automatic Peak Limiter. This limiter is there to ensure that the power supply is not driven past its limits. Thus the general tendencies of the man in the street to compare LCD which can have a higher peak white limit making it brighter. The problem is for movie viewing this is not important as the correct "windowed" white peak limit for correct viewing is anywhere between 30-40 ft/L in a dimly lit room (light source behind the panel or 10% of the brightest white). Almost all plasmas are more than capable of accurate grayscale at this range. The correct practices of viewing are not cared by most and they make decisions on what they see in the showroom floor where the lights are full blast.

The quest for plasma was always to get to 5lumens and 10lumens tech that will allow it to show brighter images to counter the "super bright but normally inaccurate" whites that the LCDs put out.

5lumens and 10lumens tech is important for plasma, it evens the playing field in both the areas that are used by the LCD group to downplay plasma, namely, brighter images and lower power consumption. It also will allow for thinner panels. I believe the Z series that Panasonic has out this year might actually be using something close to that.

NeoPDPs are a step in that direction. It is not quite 5 lumens tech (I believe somewhere in the 2-3lumens). Pioneer actually demoed 5/10lumens tech last year in CES and called it extreme contrast (brighter whites, super blacks and very thin panels) but unfortunately, have pulled out. This technology would also make plasma panel manufacturing cheaper with better yield eventually

So there are differences, and if calibrated correctly you will see it. However, if your wallet does not feel the differences are worth it to your eyes, then by all means get what you like.

It is important not to dismiss innovations in technology. This is a step forward. Next year all panels will be NeoPDP and soon all panels will be 5lumens/10lumens tech. It will be different. But it might not be important to you.

The stuff about the 550Hz vs 600Hz sub pixel refresh is marketing gimmick to counter the human fascination to higher numbers (ie, LCDs 100Hz>200Hz>240Hz) refresh rate advertisements.

Plasma displays do not refresh like LCDs, it is almost instantaneous.

In short, value is in the eyes of the beholder, just like beauty. As long as you see the difference and you accept the differences in price for the techology then go for it.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jun 17 2009, 11:48 AM

the difference between G and S will not be night and day. In fact it will not be even noticeable to most people.

The most notable difference is that S series owner will have thicker wallet after the purchase.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 17 2009, 11:50 AM

Panasonic NeoPDP is the latest technology like LED-lit LCD TV from Samsung.

the panel of P42S10 is an upgraded version from 42PV80. however, NeoPDP is the new technology incorporated in plasma panel to reduce power consumption almost 50% less and to provide similar brightness compared to P42S10/P42C10 (this is a good news for those people who want to consider plasma tv but claim that 'kuat makan current').

regarding the reflective glass, since plasma panel is made of glass (unlike plastic for LCD tv), 100% reflection elimination is impossible. somehow, NeoPDP has kept the same anti-reflective plasma glare material as PY850.

if panasonic japan is going to release the NeoPDP which it unveiled during the CES Jan 2009 in LAS VEGAS/Panasonic Fair in Osaka 2008, the panel thickness will be less than 10mm. i guess this model most probably will not come out so soon.

to be exact, the panel is somewhat 25mm thick (tbc).

Sorry, I was editing my post when you were posting. Take a read of the explanations of NeoPDP, it is interesting. Also if you are a person who has an eye for details, you might see it.

For example, the differences between the PV80 and the X10 were almost night and day to me, even before calibrating. After calibration, I was really impressed on how much Panny improved on their PV80 which was pretty good. Also the reflection issue, hopefully I can see a S series soon to see how much better it is to the X10.

BTW I don't own either, this is based on calibrating peoples displays.

some technology may not take off due to economies of scale. Like the Concord, the plane was so advanced and more advanced than today's planes.

But it failed. Why? Because no volume.

The same with plasmas. Pioneer, so good also, failed. Why? There was no volume.

All this Neo PDP stuff, no point if there is no volume in sales.

Unless there is volume in sales, it would be doomed for failure as there is no economies of scale.

Panasonic knows this. Last time, they priced their 50 inch PY700 at RM19,999. Nobody bought. Nobody even looked at it.

The same thig would happen to the G series as people are cost conscious nowdays and know that RM3k buys you a great plasma already.

michaeltan1943, I could not agree with you more on Pioneers economics of scale and the fact that they are dead in terms of displays.

I was merely responding to the original poster, who asked the differences between NeoPDP and the S series. There are differences, whether or not he believes it is value for money depends on the individual. The point that I am trying to make is not a economic point, but more of a technical point. Also if the G series is a THX certified neo PDP than the primary colours will also be more accurate.

To the person who views colour accuracy and picture details as important these are the differences, to the person who does not than this is not even a question.

xtually, if use plasma watching astro oni, got neopdp or not is not a major problem rite....coz the PQ will always same..rite?

I doubt the G10 will be that slim, though it would be interesting to see how much slimmer it would be as compared to the S10. I believe the real slim ones will be the 'Z' series, if i am not wrong.

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Added on June 17, 2009, 5:58 pmThanks for yr notes on the NeoPDP. And you are right, this thread is not about whether NeoPDP is a gimmick or what sales strategies Panasonic has. Just a consumer who wants to know whether the main difference btw the S10 and G10 (ie. the NeoPDP) is worth the price difference. I guess until someone has tested the physical unit, we will never know for sure how much more slimmer or brighter it is. So who has one already?

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Added on June 17, 2009, 6:01 pmIf watching Astro only then a CRT would be the best solution. So no, I would be using it for HD output also.

This post has been edited by Lone*Wolf: Jun 17 2009, 06:01 PM

Actually, unless Astro becomes fully digital with HDMI output, no plasma, no matter how cheap or how much technology would even be worth it.

Let's face it, most peple's tv habits consists of 90% watching Astro.

When one have gone overseas and seen how good digital tv is on flat panels, one would know how all malaysians are being conned.

how much is an X10 nowadays?

X10 still got promotion and they widen their promotion with other model...i just thinking, why pana sell cheap2 one new model...

NeoPDP G10 will be on the display shelf by next week.

Eh, why only next week? Went to a shop in Gombak early this week and they already carrying the G10 to their shop wor...

Anyway, will be waiting for your feedback on this, this week or next week

BTW, do you know will the S10 promo end?

Msians are cost conscious. They would probably generally ignore the G when displayed in shops. The very rich won't even bother with 42 inch and would go for 50 inches.

Though there would be a handful of buyers for 42 inch G, mainly enthusiast, the volume would still be X and S.

So, one can rest assured that any higher models than G, either won't be brought into Msia or not promoted at all.

So, X and S would mainly be sold everywhere.

there is a minority of the customers who will still demand for the premium models

the latest Sony model which is 40" and its price is nearly RM20k. this price is 3x more expensive than P42G10k. sony enthusiasts will still rather buy this model instead of panny G series. SONY, LIKE NO OTHER.

fyi, by november, panasonic malaysia will launch Z series 54" ultra slim NeoPDP at RM20K ++. this model is the one appeared in Sunway Pyramid during the panasonic launching in April, 8.8mm thickness

This post has been edited by iamsobloodysick: Jun 19 2009, 11:55 PM

Yes, there will always be a 'luxury' segment that goes for the premium models. I think michaeltan1943's point is that such people are in the minority and hence demand for premium models will be lower in MY. With lower demand we see lower volume and less discounting/promotion.

exactly. Like Mercedes S class and E class. There are a small minority who would pay for a S class but Merc Malaysia knows, their bread and butter is from the C and E class.

Same with plasma.

But the G might fail big time as it is too heavily priced in today's world. Unlike high end cars which appeal to the status conscious people, and they buy it to show off their status, in the plasma world, there is no such thing as status.

The manufacturer can only appeal to enthusiasts. And there aren't many enthusiasts in Malaysia who have lots of money.

i dont see the G series is heavily priced.

in fact, you take a look at Sharp, Samsung, or Sony LCD tv which has similar spec (new model), the price is by minimum RM2k to RM4k more expensive than G series.

another nearest comparison is against Pioneer 42" as G series (or previous PY850 series) is the rival model of Pioneer's so-called Kuro.

Pioneer focuses on 50" Plasma tv only this year because its 42" model die out in the market due to its premium price.

furthermore, Pioneer buys its 50" FHD PDP panel from panasonic and the selling price in the market is RM20k for the latest model, pioneer buyers are still a lot in the market.

This post has been edited by iamsobloodysick: Jun 19 2009, 04:17 PM

iamsobloodysick,

Pioneer was supposed to buy their panels from Panasonic from next year, however we all know that they are dead. All their panels came from their Japan plasma plant. The plant produced the last batch of panels this year in May.

michaeltan1943,

Anyway, I believe that there will be a niche market and there will be a mass market. There are cases where the companies that service the niche market survive. I believe it is becoming more difficult for the companies with only niche products to survive, but it is not impossible. Some come to mind and some of them are in the electronics industry.

There are a lot of people who care for things other than quality. The discussions in this thread itself shows that. I guess it is up to the individual to decide what is important for him/her.

G series not heavily priced, i think the S series was too lightly priced. imagine getting a FHD plasma TV with free Blu Ray player for less than RM5k...

i think bcos of price S series will sell more..

sticking to the thread, my vote -> Not to NEO

There is plenty of Full HD 42" LCD in the market now for a liitle more than RM3k. So do you think a lot of consumers will not think that the 42S is overprice?

A direct answer, thank you. May I know why? Due to the price difference? Or the improvements over the older (cheaper) panel is insignificant?

plasma is in a different league. The S is still the best value FHD plasma around.

Most people buy LCD because the retailer don't let them test Astro int he showroom. Once they go home and see their Astro on their LCD, then they regret.

the current FOC BD60 makes the S series look a lot cheaper and hence the people pick S10 (without BD60) instead of X10 (without camera).

when the current package over, you will see RM1k difference between X10 and S10.

by that time, people will say rather save RM1k to buy X10 instead.

Never in history, Full HD plasma is so affordable. Previously the price difference btwn fullHD plasma and HD plasma was more than RM10k. Now with S10, fullHD plasma is within reach, like a dream come true. Do you think these people will let this opportunity go away?. Unlike fullHD LCD which has always been within reach, pricewise - logically nothing special.

I guess it won't be wrong to say never has been a Full HD LCD so affordable in history...its only half the price of the Full HD plasma! In the end the consumer will decide whether Rm3000 is cheaper or Rm6000 is cheaper.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 20 2009, 01:39 AM

Anyone compare G10 vs Kuro ?

actually, the price of the S here is cheaper than even US. And US has the cheapest plasma prices in the world.

Anyone know whether P42G10 hv display at Best Denki or not? coz I'm planning to go to hv an audition on this new plasma

Kuro wins, hands down. BTW, can we narrow down this thread to G10 (NeoPDP) vs S10, pls? Thanks.

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Added on June 20, 2009, 5:47 pmPls do let us know if you happen to see the G10 in action! Particularly whether the NeoPDP makes a RM2K difference or not over the S10


This post has been edited by Lone*Wolf: Jun 20 2009, 05:47 PM

quite simply the price...if one is keen & concern bout the 'improvements & differences, then dun matter what price la, 20k also can...

for me, if can get 90% of features at RM3.5k, its not worth the extra RM1.5k for the remaining 10% cos i'm a noob...i dun think it'll make much difference to my eyes whether its NEO PDP or THX cert display..as long as my BD movies plays fine...done!

unless of course all the banks has run out of compartments for my cash...then no problems

Can someone that has actually seen the G10 and compare the 2 panels comment?

Yeah, I am a bit surprised that most dealers have not displayed the G10 yet, though it has been delivered early last week.

BUT, I am sure the LYN dealers here have gotten the models already, seeing that they are selling it now in the Trade Zone. So any of them care to compare and comment

Probably the dealers are skeptical of the sales because of the price. Maybe this will alarmed the Panasonic into reducing their price for G10. I've actually seen a 42G10 in Jusco Alpha Angle once during the roadshow. It puzzles me why they don't display the model after the roadshow.

Maybe someone can check out Jusco in 1U which frequently does a Panasonic roadshow.

in the future, it will be more affordable. so what's your point?

it ain't like stock, which can go up.

However....

If the PQ difference the NeoPDP makes is much greater than the price difference, then dealers should sing about it, so to arouse interest and ultimately increasing sales of the G10?

Or maybe not much to say about it ??? ...

Maybe PQ & SQ of P42G10 is not much diference from P42S10 but price is much much higher...so

it is definitely doomed to have very low sales for people would be wondering...why buy double the price for slight improvement in PQ that might not even be physically visible to the human eye.

May be a bit off topic. I think the latest generations of Panasonic plasma is really bad in PQ. The earlier models for example 800 and 850 was quite competing to Pioneer Kuro (well not close but there's a fight there), but the latest gen i.e. S and X series, especially S, are really bad IMHO. I checked them out last weekend because they were hotly discussed here and elsewhere, but was shocked to see the black level was really bad ... it was really grey and contrast level dropped crazily. I'm not starting a flame for S owners, but why panasonic sacrifice so much to lower the price? Even optoma HD65 projector on 80 inch screen produces better black level. LOL...... To be honest, due to the terrible black level and highly reflective double layer glass screen, I would easily move to the LCD camp. But I will save money hard to buy Kuro KRP500A because the picture is soooooo beautiful . Dreaming....

Anyone already have an audition for the P42G10? Mind to share your reviews here?

Anyone see the unit display in Penang Island yet?

I am looking forwards to see the unit. Look at the US review so good and so good..

The problem i found now is that the unit did not comes with any BluRay player, or some purchase with purchase plan.

Add to the message ya, once have the news where to see the display unit..

most reviews online said otherwise.

and the G10 in US with THX is a lot improved over the PY800 and even better than the reference Kuro in some aspects.

u know, the PY800 design with the silver bar at bottom is really ugly, in aesthetics department.

This post has been edited by tennis_ball: Jun 26 2009, 04:24 PM

Now you're being ridiculous. S-X series are catered for low end market. You're comparing 2k-3k plasma with 6k-8k PY800 and PY850 is ridiculous. You pay for what you get. You espect to pay proton saga price to get the performance of a BMW? And I have seen my friend's HD65 projector, the black level cannot beat even Panasonic C10 plasma. There must be something wrong with your eyes. S10 black level is very good for the price. It is nearly as good a PY800. I think either your shop you went screwed up the settings, or you need to get your eyes checked by optometrist - complimentary from me.

hmm..i have a old Plasma PV70...I think it super great watching HD movies on it especially with 1080p input from a media player..pictures are so clear and sharp and the color is brilliant..

I wonder am I missing a lot with the new panels and engine?

M'sia version P42G10 seems like dun have THX certified...correct me if I'm wrong

biasa lah. 3rd world, we can lesser features. Yet, some are silly enough to cough double the price for it.

I'll give it one more day, and if there's no clear evidence about the fancy panel justifying the fancy price, I'll join the Kelab S10 ...

I checked again the S series yesterday in HN Ikano... It's slightly better than last time, maybe due to ambience light. But it is still grey, blur due to dual-layer glass, damned high reflections, serious chromatic distortions, etc. Why not check the LG PG30 series with definitely blacker screen, no chromatic issues and less reflection ... see for yourself. It's a better deal, only that some people are scared of Korean products, including myself.
The SA told me that the new generation Panasonic plasma panels are now sourced from LG. You heard of this?
I'm not comparing proton and BMW, I'm just wondering why Panasonic go cheap and low ... even lower than LG... you get more volume, but you lose some salutation of your products... ahaks!

This statement is wrong. Panasonic makes it own plasma panels.

42G10 is on display in 1U New Wing main concourse. Priced at RM6399 compared to 42S10 at RM3999. I spoke to one of the Panasonic representative and he said that the difference is not huge between both.

The joint electrical fair is organised by Best Denki.

let me guess, you are a LG plasma salesman and in your small world, you think by hitting at the Panasonic, more people would now buy LG.

At last, the shy G10 makes a public appearence!

mm.. Even their rep himself acknowledge the lack of difference? Then again, most sales reps are not AV enthusiasts. What about you, sailou? Whats yr opinion comparing the S10 with the G10?

I personally thinks that there will not be a much difference between the 2 panel. The Neo thing probably consume slightly less power and that is about it. In my opinion, the picture quality of todays tv is not like leaps and bound better then those of last year but rather of some subtle improvement. they might have slightly better contrast or brightness and that can easily miss that unless you do a side by side comparison.

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Added on June 29, 2009, 12:57 pmHmmm....is the S series pana still have very bad reflective screen? Shit....i 'm waiting for the 50" S series from pana and if the reflection is really bad, I might not want it. Can some owner shed some light on this issue.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 29 2009, 12:57 PM

Yeah, I am now arriving to that conclusion, hence leaning towards the S10

you don't mind the reflection?

Sorry dude, I'm helping those in the budget. Have you checked in my other posts that I only approve Kuro Plasma TV. And I sold my car to buy the KRP-600M... enough said? I also said I didn't trust Korean products in my post. Read before you hentam.

you sold your car to buy a Kuro? Yes, that itself says everything abt you.

That explain why pioneer is not making plasma anymore.....can cost you a car just to get one!

the secret of Kuro is its dark filter and its electronics, nothing special otherwise.

its darker, because of dark filter. in fact, after Pioneer announced the death of Kuro, Panasonic officials made this public.
and if u take time to inspect closely, Kuro filter reflects purple color. It is dark for dark scenes, but u lost some fine details in the darkness. The G10 with THX or V10 with THX beats the Kuro in dark details, because u still can see some details, but on the Kuro, it is blurred.

and Kuro can't reach 1080 motion resolution. hmm. u can feel it is aged, because all new generation Panasonic full HD plasmas can do 1080 motion resolution prefectly. Kuros only do about 900.

This post has been edited by tennis_ball: Jul 3 2009, 03:56 PM

panasonic latest neopdp panel pwns old tech kuro then.... at 1/2 the price.

Hate to do this to you but, you need to get your facts straight.

Shadow details are related to correct gamma settings. A fully calibrated Pioneer can do a ruler flat gamma of 2.2 or even 2.5 because of its gamma controls. So this is not correct. You can always improve shadow details by reducing gamma to saay 1.8 (you will see things that are not intended for you to see). When you set the gamma wrongly you see additional shadow details but it is not intended by the director and then you will get washed out blacks.

It is your opinion but factually it is wrong. I am fine if you think the G or the V series is better to your eyes that any Kuro out there, you are entitled to your opinion but the fact that a Pioneer hides shadow detail is incorrect.

On your fact that the Kuros cannot do 1080 motion resolution, you are absolutely correct. The only problem is that it is highly unlikely that you can see the difference between 1080 lines of motion resolution and >800 lines of motion resolution.

On another note, the other strength of the Kuro is tightened plasma panel manufacturing. The panel is more accurate out of the box and the calibration options allow it to be almost dead on.

Let the Kuro RIP, it is dead and there will new plasmas/displays that will dethrone it in time. At the moment, there is none yet. Even the Z series from Panny does not as yet. I am pretty sure that in the next year, there will be a new King of fixed panel...

Also the people who prefer projectors will never agree that a fixed panel is anywhere new a CRT/DLP/LCD projector.

To each his own.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jul 3 2009, 04:34 PM

i really don't think reflection is that big of a problem with the s10, but it's all very subjective. i for one don't see any problems, but of course, that's because my living room is not as bright as the shop's AV showroom with lights everywhere. as it comes with the AR filter, it's even less reflective than my old CRT.

fuuyoh lucky taukeh anfieldude come and straighten things out, i almost got misleaden by that singaporean.

KURO FTW!

he's sifu level..

RM 7000.00 FOR A FLIPPIN TV !!!! WTF !!!!

What the flip are you referring to?

From what I see at the official website, the different between the two model are as below:


- Panel ->
G10: G12 Progressive Full-HD NeoPDP
S10: G12 Progressive Full-HD Plasma Display Panel

- Contrast Ratio ->
G10: Dynamic: Infinite Black/Over 2,000,000:1; Native: 40,000:1
S10: Dynamic: 2,000,000:1; Native: 30,000:1

- Subfield Drive ->
G10 : 600hz
S10 : 550hz

- Shades of Gradation ->
G10 : 6,144 equivalent steps of gradation
S10 : 5,120 equivalent steps of gradation

- Power Consumption ->
G10 : (Normal Use) 445 W
S10 : (Normal Use) 350 W

The G10 seems to have more advantage over S10, but I'm not interested with all of these spec.

From some of the review, S10 seems not handling 1080i signal very well.

Just wonder are there many HDTV broadcast are 1080i?

Other than this, S10 should be very close to G10 PQ without the THX mode.

What's with the higher power consumption on the G10?
NeoPDP panel was suppose to consume less electricity.

It is stated on the Panasonic Malaysia website, dunno whether it is a spec mistake from Panasonic.

i mind the bad motion flow like LCD tv (core panel weakness) than the reflection problem from the surface on plasma tv (cosmetic weakness).

Honestly, the reflection in the S10 is much better than the X10. Its negligible and a non-issue if viewing in darker environments. You can't win them all lah.

Panny G series is a good model at very good price but people seem dont appreciate this series very much.

Despite going around regularly to HN and BD, I have yet to see any G series up close and personal

I can tolerate the reflection, because I have use CRT for many years.

The S10 and G10 is less reflection than CRT, so is ok for me.

I care more on the Viewing Angle, Motion Flow, and overall picture quality.

Yeah, I agree. This is cannibalism at its worse, right? If the S10 is not so strategically priced, the G10 will be a bargain, considering last year's 42" FullHD officially retails at RM7,999.

Then again, you have the luxury to try out this model first hand, any significance difference to the S10 your eyes can see, besides those numbers on the spec sheet?

Is there anyone knows that Panasonic has a 50G10K ?? Because if it's priced around 6k then it is better than the 50S10K which is priced at RM53xx ??

How far do you people sit from your TV? At 42", I believe you've to sit at least 10 feet from it!

Nahhh 6-7 ft can liao

If you watch SD, 10" feet above is good, but for HD the optimum distance is 5-6 feet