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post Nov 14 2010, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Nov 14 2010, 04:27 AM)
There is theory, however. That even if you killed whoever conceived you, you will still exist.

The theory suggests that time does not really move in a straight line like an arrow. It moves likes a river, in different sets of streams. At times, the river can split into different directions, resulting in different timelines, or else known as the explaination for parallel universes. This theory is probably oming from an everyday human experiences. Have you remebered how certain minutes actually "felt" as if it is longer than other days? Theory suggests that the river sometimes forms a small vortex, trapping any matter into a temporary time stop, hence you hear things like, "That is the longest ONE minute I ever have".

Theories, anyways. But it sure gave a way out for time paradoxes.
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So, in this sense, who is the one that conceived you?
Or what your theory meant was that what happened to the "past" that you changed won't affect "present"?
Then, in that sense, it may not be time travelling anymore since it's simple parallel universe.

Also, usually things like "the longest one minute I ever had" happened when something dreadful which you want it to end fast. Eg, trap in a lift. I don't really agree the fact that one minute really become longer for a particular individual on some occasions.
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Nov 14 2010, 04:27 AM)
There is theory, however. That even if you killed whoever conceived you, you will still exist.

The theory suggests that time does not really move in a straight line like an arrow. It moves likes a river, in different sets of streams. At times, the river can split into different directions, resulting in different timelines, or else known as the explaination for parallel universes. This theory is probably oming from an everyday human experiences. Have you remebered how certain minutes actually "felt" as if it is longer than other days? Theory suggests that the river sometimes forms a small vortex, trapping any matter into a temporary time stop, hence you hear things like, "That is the longest ONE minute I ever have".

Theories, anyways. But it sure gave a way out for time paradoxes.
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You mean such vortex only slows the clock but not human or animal? When we need more time to do something, it is faster but when waiting anxiously for it to pass, it seems slow, how does scientist conceive the theory?
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post Nov 15 2010, 03:25 AM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Nov 14 2010, 06:05 PM)
You mean such vortex only slows the clock but not human or animal? When we need more time to do something, it is faster but when waiting anxiously for it to pass, it seems slow, how does scientist conceive the theory?
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It is still a theory though, and their explaination is that time sometimes create vortex in the river of time, sometimes you just feel time is actually longer that it should be.
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I still don't get this vortex time theory, I only remember time keeping device have only adjusted less than a second because the minute & second is not perfect measurement. If it fluctuates in such that we can feel, how to be certain that the Voyager or Apollo mission won't be affected by it? Imagine the satellite went off align by one minute.

Unless it only affect cosmic and device but not living organism because we have feelings, what kind of science is that?
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QUOTE(3dassets @ Nov 15 2010, 03:06 PM)
I still don't get this vortex time theory, I only remember time keeping device have only adjusted less than a second because the minute & second is not perfect measurement. If it fluctuates in such that we can feel, how to be certain that the Voyager or Apollo mission won't be affected by it? Imagine the satellite went off align by one minute.

Unless it only affect cosmic and device but not living organism because we have feelings, what kind of science is that?
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I regret I do not have fully understanding of this, but I was interested because I saw this video:


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post Nov 16 2010, 06:15 PM

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from my POV, the time travel don't exist in human community.

because human ability is naturally unaware of what's happening regardless of time. thus surviving forward with the only things they had.



by reading certain books, guidance or revelation can prevent or fix future things to happen. God; mysterious author of such religious books is known for accuracy on time and space.
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i feel .. i personally think .. if we can create an aircraft or what soever machine that can travel faster than light ... we can see back the pass and not travel back to the past . every action we did will reflect to the galaxy . if we manage to chase back the light path . i think we can see the pass .
just my own thinking .
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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Nov 8 2010, 09:59 AM)
Then this is the predestine idea.

Yep, I've touched on this,  if we are predestined, does that mean that if we know what happens in our future, and our future actually comes, does that mean, that we cannot do anything that we already knew we'd do? 

For example, we knew we'd reply "Yes" to an answer instead we want to reply "No" this round.

Will our bodies be out of our control for that moment and force us to say "yes" nonetheless?

Your welcome to share your thoughts.
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I have a thought (or theory you might say) on predestined concept.

I think we can't meddle or modify with it, because even God himself can't stray from with it.

Why would I say this? Here's why:
We know God can foreseen the future, He knew Lucifer (the Devil; once leader of Angels) will stray from Him if he created humans.
He knew what humans would do on Earth, and He knew what Adam would do with the Forbidden Fruit tree stand beside him.
But with all this knowledge, what did God do? He still create humans! rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(fix24311 @ Nov 22 2010, 09:49 AM)
I have a thought (or theory you might say) on predestined concept.

I think we can't meddle or modify with it, because even God himself can't stray from with it.

Why would I say this? Here's why:
We know God can foreseen the future, He knew Lucifer (the Devil; once leader of Angels) will stray from Him if he created humans.
He knew what humans would do on Earth, and He knew what Adam would do with the Forbidden Fruit tree stand beside him.
But with all this knowledge, what did God do? He still create humans! rclxub.gif
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ahaha... that one belongs to the "All About Religion"


Anyway, as I mention, try imagining, if you know the future, would you not be able to say "yes", when you said "no" in your premonition? Will there be some force which will suddenly possess you and force you to say it? Doesn't seem likely.


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Time travel is possible. You simply could not change the past. Whatever interference you made was already accounted for. If your intent was to murder your grandfather, then he would always survive.

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Nov 22 2010, 11:23 AM)
ahaha...  that one belongs to the "All About Religion"
Anyway, as I mention, try imagining, if you know the future, would you not be able to say "yes", when you said "no" in your premonition? Will there be some force which will suddenly possess you and force you to say it? Doesn't seem likely.
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I gotta say there will be some force possesing us from meddling the predestined path, if you take my earlier theory... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(light_type @ Nov 16 2010, 07:15 PM)
from my POV, the time travel don't exist in human community.

because human ability is naturally unaware of what's happening regardless of time. thus surviving forward with the only things they had.
by reading certain books, guidance or revelation can prevent or fix future things to happen. God; mysterious author of such religious books is known for accuracy on time and space.
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regret to tell u that your pov was totally wrong. i'm the man from future. 2079. However there are nothing i can do to change the past, simply because of it became our history. it was merely a trip to visit my grandfather that pass away long before i was born.
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QUOTE(timetravelller @ Dec 17 2010, 02:18 PM)
regret to tell u that your pov was totally wrong. i'm the man from future. 2079. However there are nothing i can do to change the past, simply because of it became our history. it was merely a trip to visit my grandfather that pass away long before i was born.
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Are you a part of the zeitgeist program that reformed the world? How your super computer managed?
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QUOTE(3dassets @ Dec 17 2010, 05:19 PM)
Are you a part of the zeitgeist program that reformed the world? How your super computer managed?
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Nope
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QUOTE(timetravelller @ Dec 17 2010, 02:18 PM)
regret to tell u that your pov was totally wrong. i'm the man from future. 2079. However there are nothing i can do to change the past, simply because of it became our history. it was merely a trip to visit my grandfather that pass away long before i was born.
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Really? So how's 2079?
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post Dec 19 2010, 12:12 AM

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I think there must be a new rules that says: this forum is for current people not the future age between 8 to 150.
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QUOTE(3dassets @ Dec 19 2010, 12:12 AM)
I think there must be a new rules that says: this forum is for current people not the future age between 8 to 150.
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nice one... smile.gif
Btw, in my point of view, time travel is not possible..
Even if you travel faster than the speed of light, u r just delaying time....

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post Dec 29 2010, 11:09 PM

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Theoretically, yes.
Time travel is possible, if you can travel in speed of light or near to speed of light.
AFAIK, only group velocity can travel faster than speed of light.

You have to understand Lorentz factor in order to know how time travel works.

This is what Quantum Physics about.

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there are 2 main theories on changing the past:

1) if u go to the past, and kill your dad, you will not cease to existence, however you have created a new dimension whereby on the new dimension, u didn't exist.

2) The doreamon theory, where if u go to the past, whatever u try to do, u actually didn't change anything, as you are part of the past itself.
For example, u went to the past to make sure hitler will not start the WW2, but eventually u realize, by going to the past and trying to change history, u are actually the person who made the history, it is because of u, the WW2 was triggered. ur not changing it, but u r part of the destiny. Time and space is just a straight line.

The doreamon theory seems to have more sense.
Have u guys watched back to the future? The director seems inconsistent on the theory that he implies.
There's a scene where MJ fox slowly dying because he went to the past and triggered something that made his young mom and dad wasn't together. And while in the midst of dying, he had to change the destiny to make sure his parent's are together again.
That was totally doesn't make sense. If he triggered the separation of his parents, and by doing that he will not exist and he will not have the chance to go to the past and trigger the mistake he did. If you get what i mean.
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The same as "terminator", it just loop. I don't understand why SPEED of light is the key to time, if so, what is the medium that hold time? Example: video tape, DVD, hard disk... without it, where are the history to go back to?

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