as title..
i wanna build my 2nd rig
purely for gaming
better for me go for intel quadie or phenom??
any pro n contra??
sum1 can give me review or any test done??
for sure i want the budget one

This post has been edited by doob: Jun 9 2009, 01:57 PM

as far as i know amd is better than intel for gaming purpose.. i might be wrong

depends on ur budget. amd phenom IIs are on par with core 2 quads. plus its cheaper to build around an amd platform than intel. but again, if u have money to burn, go for core i7 rather than C2Q.

i7 phasing out next year.Just get a normal c2q or pII.If you can wait , just wait for i5.

i7 will cost me a bomb

core i5 cheap??
how much??
when intel official launch it??
how bout the prfomance??

both platform also nice on gaming .don mislead other people

hehe...mayb he like amd more than intel
i no experience use amd yet =P
which 1 budget meet perfomance??

for sure i would recommend AMD... Phenom II X4 940 costs just 680, WHAT A DAMN CHEAP QUAD PROC

plus the mobo doesnt have to be a high end one, u can get normal AM2+ mobo and focus more on graphic cards

AMD Phenom II 940 is the most wish choice if you want save as much money as can. Buy another 3rd party Cooler and 790GX / FX mobo then OC it to 4ghz just like that.....Performance is Boom!!! So powerful.

Even no OC with stock speed of 3ghz also very best on gaming also.

BTW Intel I-5 Processor convert from USD and it will cost around RM75x plus Mobo P55 Price still unknow. But sure more expensive than AMD Phenom II 940 + AMD Mobo

This post has been edited by RegentCid: Jun 9 2009, 02:47 PM

how bout temp??
is it high??my rig not inside aircond room
what mobo is good for it??
any suggenstion???
me no sli

don't talk only, show ur budget la..

a mere MSI 790GX would do, nonit go for all those platinum n so on or 790FX unless ure reli into oc temp wise its not much different than core i7... dun think that amd = hot ler

conclusion : AMD is better than Intel in the form of gaming.
get AMD Phenom II X4 955 AM3. damn chun for gaming i tell u.

Get intel.... better brand image...

AMD = chapalang ayam brand....

The stupidest comment i ever read..

You're sure about that?

He's really sure of it, he's sooo sure of that he even uses AMD's subsidary company brand as his avatar..

u said AMD is chapalang brand but u use AMD sub company ATI as avatar..
that mean u support chapalang brand..

i use amd now,so far i'm satisfy with my proc..it just generate more heat than intel..
but that's not a prob..

This post has been edited by our_team89: Jun 9 2009, 04:00 PM

a asus m2n68 that cost rm200 is more than enough

yup,it's enough.but i think if he is OCer,better buy the one with solid caps..

Nice pawnage guys...Panda got owned...

@our_team89
its not generate more heat than intel..i see some intel chip also hot..

trolling success.


n0v4m4r1n3 has phailed /k/

for gaming i rather get a fast dualcore than a slow quaddie.

waaaahhhhttt? you calling me a user of capalang ayam brand?!?!? WTH!?!?!

FYI I have a Duron 1.2ghz rig. Sempron 3000+ rig. Sempron 2800+ rig (file/print sharing) Athlon 2800+ (no rig yet, looking for buyers), LE1100 (waiting to setup), X2 3800+ rig (with SLI), X2 5200+ rig (for work) and a dead X2 3600+............... and i think i have 1 or 2 spare AMD rigs that aren't running.

capalang brand you say? AMD bad you say? hrm..........

is it?coz my friend's intel C2Q only 35c idle but my Phenom is 45c idle..that's why i assume intel generate less heat..
but i think 45c is fine..nothing to worry about..

stock cooler on both proc???

sorry,forgot 2 mention it..my friend's C2Q use stock cooler but for my Phenom i use CM Hyper 212..if just use stock cooler,i think my cpu temp will be 50c idle

+1 to hilmiangah

2nd compare with power usage..ie 125W,65W etc..sure 125W more hot..

Hyper 212 already pass it prime.

u mean?sorry,not quite understand..

i mean thats there are better cooler for a quaddie now.

someone is mad....

@our_team89
for sure, cloudwan and pikacu will start loving u regarding ur comment on AMD.

for me, for sure AMD will be a better choice. (higher stock speed, cheaper, not to mention am3 mobo oso cheap)

that's true..i buy this cooler last year..
last year it maybe good cooler but now it already like aging cooler..
but as long my temp is about 45c,no need to change..
unless my temp rise to 60c someday..

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Added on June 9, 2009, 5:28 pm+1
for ppl that use amd mobo,they doesn't have 2 spend more money for upgrading coz many am2+ mobo support am3..

This post has been edited by our_team89: Jun 9 2009, 05:28 PM

note my emoticons.

btw those items i listed are for real.

im having the same problem with TS on whether to go for amd or intel. Ive never ever used amd before.

But lets say money isnt an issue. Would u still buy the amd phenom II ? why ?

of course! you guys better read more reviews on AMD processors.

don't listen to stupid people who always look down on AMD stuff.

i'd get intel, since i so long use intel de, for wat change brand?

lol cannot la like that. Ive been using windows for so long but when i changed to mac, i never want to use windows again except when the software/games is not available on mac. Get what i mean ?

if amd is better i dont mind changing brands

if u use amd,u can upgrade ur proc without changing ur mobo..
intel keep changing socket for new proc.like the one that will come out soon,i5 use different socket than i7 and C2Q..

want to talk about socket change AMD also what, in fact AMD change socket more la of recent years.

it went from S462, then S754, then S939, then AM2/AM2+, then AM3.

compare that to Intel that went from LGA775 to LGA1366.

i think for a while, intel manage to keep their mobo usable for a few generations of processor ler...i think they maintained the socket 775 LGA for a few generations of processors right?

i upgraded my kentsfield to yorkfield w/out changing processor as well....

it depend on the chipset of the motherboard too iinm

chipset changes. LGA775 of few years back can't support LGA775 processors of today. and LGA775 boards of today may not support the older LGA775 processors too.

so either way this socket or chipset thing is not a valid point for us to say bad about any processor brand.

Personally I'd got for an Intel socket 775 setup for the simple reason that I already have one. It's easier for me to troubleshoot in case something screws up.

i dunno why they look down AMD stuff..been using AMD 3-4 times..serving good to me...

If u comparing AMD PII with Intel Q9XXX series i would say go for AMD all the way.
But if u comparing AMD PII with Intel I7 and if u dun have money issue might try Intel i7. For me AMD PII =

my budget is RM1.2k max for proc n mobo...
can get which 1???
i'm not planning to oc
any suggestion??

940BE + ASUS M4A78-E..lol it is 1.2k..

Looked down??? I owez love AMD.... My first PC back to years 1993 was Intel Pentium
after that build 4 system, all of them with AMD platform.. never had a problem.. The best ever the athlon socket A.

only recently built Intel platform bcoz doing a lot of multitasking.. both good..

955BE with biostar Ta790gx

pls get ur facts rite! dont post like a noob.

In my opinion, in terms of compatibility with softwares, I'll take Intel.
AMD has a bad history last time.

y software has compatibility problem with AMD?? aint that should concern with windows rather than AMD?? so far i nvr encounter any problem with software compatibility with AMD product lor.....

software compatibility with window got lar...with AMD??definitely no no no.....

What do you mean by software compatibility?? never had issues b4..
or u refer to instructions?

there wont be any software compatibility issues, unless you are install a intel chipset driver to a AMD system

i think the bad history of AMD is refer to the overheat issue?? now the AMD processor is far more better than you can think of, can buy with reasonable and affordable price.

always look forward, dont let the history haunted you.

wth...
pls search at youtube how well the amd
performance on gaming
TS,if u are purely for gaming i would suggest
phenomII X4 940 at price RM700 only.just my suggestion.

bad history in terms of compatibility with software??

AMD haters got brainwashed by Intel marketing department

again..wtfwtfwtf

Here's a few links to back my statement:

http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/2...XP-SP3-glitches

http://technologyexpert.blogspot.com/2008/...oterhboard.html

http://www.techlifeweb.com/mce/2006/09/pro...re-and-mce.html

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,2071091,00.htm

Most programs was written for Intel system. So, there will be no compatibility issue with Intel system. For AMD, sometimes you have to d'load a patch to solve the issue.
This means that software writers prioritize it's program for Intel.

This post has been edited by hazairi: Jun 10 2009, 02:31 AM

i know AMD runs hotter compared to Intel

want to ask

if in long run would heat produced by AMD processor affect processor's performance ?

from what i see, 1st link is a HP related matter.

2nd link you posted was hardware related when your post was about program compatibility.

3rd link you gave shown there's a fix, so it's not a problem. (just as what you posted)

4th link was dated 1999. not a worthy article to quote.

weak argument is better than nothing i suppose.

btw i repeat again.better get a high clock duallie than a low clock quaddie.

My point is, why do u have to take the hassles to download the 'AMD compatibility' software.

If you use Intel, the probability for you to get advises such as 'pls download patch for Intel system' is like, none?

Yeah, the 1st link is about HP and OS related matter, correct. But like I said, most programmers, their priority would be writing mostly and mainly for Intel system. That is why Intel is more stable.

i dont think that kind of 'problem' still happen now.

Yeah, you don't find that kind of problem now.
But based on history, and the theory of probability, in the future, a new problem might occur and AMD user have to download the patch specially made for AMD system.

Any of you guys heard before regarding, 'Intel user, please download patch for Intel system to solve etc etc problem'. I don't think so..

so far my experience with using AMD for past 10 years is

1. Windows i have no problem
2. Games i have no problem
3. Adobe softwares no problem.

so tell me, how often is it that people face problem using AMD rig? my work rig is AMD powered, never had problems.

4 links you quoted. 1 is HP related, 1 is hardware related. 1 has fix (which actually shoots your own point since there's a fix) and 1 is outdated.

if your 4 links can't even support you correctly, i don't see how your claims after that holds water.

That was my point actually.

Why must you buy sumtin that u know it has a history of compatibility where u must download patches to fix it.
Why don't just buy sumtin that don't need any patches or have never in history that requires u to download patches?

Why you cannot let go of history?

-pWs-

Coz we all know that history can repeat itself. Don't they?

But there is no guarantee that the same thing will not happen in Intel. Isnt it?

-pWs-

Well you might be right.
Let me ask u a question.
Bus driver A have a few accident records and Bus driver B don't have any accident record.
That doesn't mean bus driver B will not have accident in the future.

But who would u prefer to be the bus driver? A or B?

This post has been edited by hazairi: Jun 10 2009, 03:38 AM

I will drive myself.

-pWs-

Haha. But i would definitely sure that you will choose a bus driver with the cleanest record.
And most of us all do that.

Intel has a better clean record than AMD.

bus driver analogy doesn't work quite well here.

anyway IMO you're just exaggerating the matter, AMD has all the while been one of the cost-effective options out there.

so are you saying you're willing to pay more when you could actually consider paying less, knowing that the chances of problems happening are slim and in most cases, solvable just by a simple download.

I've been using AMD platform for work and games, and over multiple Windows generations and I rarely face problems. those that have, well they're fixed in the end.

too bad we can personally choose a bus driver so i dont think that argument is valid.

btw i would support your point if AMD options would

a) cost my a lot of $$$ in the end
b) cost my life, or put me in danger

but so far it isn't so. AMD option has all the while been cost-effective for me and have not been causing any problem. cases are really isolated.

I do agree that with the same price, in terms of performance, AMD is better.

Anyway, maybe it depends on the person. I choose Intel because it's more stable; if you study the history.
And maybe I was phobia because last time in 2001 my friend bought an AMD system and it always hang.

Bollocks.

What about the FDIV bug in the original Pentiums? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug

What about the stopped launch of the Pentium III 1.13GHz after hardware site editors (TomsHardware, HardOCP, Anandtech) found that it was very unstable? They were ready for shipment... http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/...iii-113ghz.html

They're pretty much the same today, and if you want to bring up history well there's some for you too on Intel's side.

This post has been edited by bgeh: Jun 10 2009, 04:00 AM

Aiyo..another AMD vs Intel thread..

Seriously i've been using AMD cpu for as long as i can remember...pls don't say that AMD cpu no good, my first PC which is an AMD K62-450Mhz still can run today!! That is more than 10 years ago, how come u say AMD no good!!!
I've been told by many person from the day i bought my first AMD rig that AMD cpu has many problem such as PC hang, cpu overheat and many more but those things just didn't happened to me, instead those comments only strengthen my support for AMD cpu. After K62, i continue to buy Athlon 1600+, Athlon 2600+, Sempron 64 - 2800+, Athlon X2 - 5600 and i just recently bought Athlon X2 - 5000...

As i said, i've been using AMD cpu for all these years and i can proudly say one thing....IT HAS NEVER FAILED ME BEFORE AND I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT AMD, NO MATTER WHAT OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT SAY!!!

tis tread getting hot already now wor..
for all amd fan,i will build up a new amd rig =)
wanna try the power of amd
for intel fans,i already hv my quaddie =)
peace

Hmmm..., perhaps I should configure myself an AMD system once again, and then allocate the extra budget for a top-notch LCD monitor for example... (I noticed that a high-end AMD platform is still significantly more affordable than an entry-level Intel Core i7 platform...)

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Jun 10 2009, 05:18 AM

in Pentium III era..AMD pawned Intel..

in pentium 4 era as well.rmb the fail prescott?

it was only when the release of c2d intel manages to catch up and dominate

anyway @ts
since u mention the budget 1,get amd.or if u prefer intel in ur heart,try get a second hand q9450 or above.

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Jun 10 2009, 08:30 AM

dat time a golden time for AMD..but the Dual core making intel take the crown again..
as now i would say AMD catching up..
as they focus on performance rather than making fastest core..

Actually, I think this thread is good. So far all sides of camp have been civil and backed up their statements with sources. Makes a very interesting read.

well.... all except 2 intel supporters. But keep this thread going, its interesting.

ya agreed.. faster core can be done by doing some overclocking..

but we all have to admit that Intel cpu better than AMD at this moment..
its only a matter of time.. AMD has their own dark side and even Intel also have..
who knows next 2 or 3 year AMD will doing came back with more powerful processor..

can we close?

more into fan-buayaism already
TS should get the answer already and through google he can see also

Can if u want..

TS just take any cpu suit to u and in your budget..

TS decided already la..amd rig one

nice decision

for me, it's simple.

if i got no budget issue, for sure i'll go for i7.
but if budget is my issue, amd will be my wise choice.

even with lower stock speed (compare to P2), i7 is really fast oredi...

for TS, amd is a wise choice.....

For performance and better resell value Intel always, for bugget type AMD

yup..i hv to admit Intel better than AMD at this moment..
so TS..it ur choice..

budget go for AMD..

OT:

is now a good time to build a new pc ? when is intel's i5 coming ? is amd gonna make phenom III in 2 weeks time ? is ddr5 gonna be available tomorrow ? usb 3.0 bila keluar ?

i can answer 1 question..
no Phenom III..it Phenom II..