Nothing. I just eat it plain. Never got into the habit of putting butter or jam or kaya. TBH, I can't quite take sweet stuff. My Mum controlled my sugar intake when I was young so now as an adult, I don't take sweet stuff as much.

Hmm...but I sometimes do put a cheesespread over it, either cream cheese or cottage cheese. Then makan like that. I read the product labels for carbo, sugar, fat and calorie.

With butter hmm.... I'm not sure if you can get it but an alternative is either soy butter or olive butter. But compare the calories and fat first.

Yep and you'll need to exercise more if you want to continue to drink them. Usually, for weight loss, it's put aside for the time being.

I don't. Too much hassle. I just :'
-control food portions
-know what food is ok and not ok

Then I just go with that.

kaya : is very rich with sugar + eggs. The eggs maybe not so much of a problem if you're exercising regularly. But the sugar is bad.

fishball : either it's too much fat or too much flour (processed wheat is simple carbo). Sometimes a bit of sugar in here as well as pork fat.

guava : eating this is fine but too much and you find that you can't shit as often as before. It's something about this fruit but as long as you don't eat it for every meal or 5 days once, should be alrite.

\fish curry with long beans : curry bought from shop or eat at home? jaga the sugar in the curry sauce as well as the coconut milk. it's possible to eat curry without coconut milk and sugar but it's not easy. My granny makes it from the paste, not from the powder.

kompiang : err....processed white flour is big on carbo. potatoes too (unless it's sweet potato). hmm...kompiang is also deep fried rite?

donuts : process white flour + sugar?

sugar in coffee : errr, may want to cut down.

May take it a step at a time. It's not easy to turn a new leave and I gave myself one week of slowly moving into the new diet. You will also find that you have some trouble initially fighting off cravings because when you slowly move away from refined carbo, your body will crave for it more. Headaches, aches and pain may also appear butonce you're over this period (usually a few days to a week), it's easier.

richard3200 : actually, since you're still growing and still young enough to have a good metabolic rate, you may want to start it out slow. Just follow the simple guideline below :
-reduce fried food until it's out of your diet
-reduce sugar by half each time
-reduce rice until finally 2 tablespoon
-eat more vegetables
-eat more fruits

Don't worry about the other stuff. It will come to you in time and as you slowly get used to watching what to eat and all. It may take 1-2 weeks to get used to not only the food but watching the food.

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Added on April 13, 2009, 11:39 pmoh don't u start now


This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 13 2009, 11:39 PM

I forgot that you're still in high-school.

For recess, you could bring a snack from home. Different choices of food or even a sandwich. Speak to your Mum. I'm sure she can give you ideas. It doesn't have to include vegetables. It can be anything. The snack is only to tie you until your lunch meal so snacks shouldn't be too big. Plus, if you bring something from home, you will lose weight pretty fast because u're not taking oily food.

Guava : Too much guava is not a good idea. I was giving an example (but badly explained sorry) that if you ate guava once a day for a 5 day period, you're gong to have constipation problems. Guava has something inside it that hardens the stool.

Vegetarians : you're rite. They probably bring food everyday or they learn how to control their break hunger. I stop eating at recess starting Form 1. But can still put on weight because not exercising enough.

Your curry : sounds ok. Sinc eyou said your Mum is health conscious, should be ok.

Kompiang : Well, don't eat it too often should be fine.

I think if you bring a small packed meal during recess, you can easily see the weightloss drop, especially with the walking that you're doing.

Postnote : LOL! You type fast. Well, if you can't limit to 2 tablespoon of rice, take it slowly. Just reduce what you can for rice intake.

This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 13 2009, 11:59 PM

richard3200 : you sound shy bringing a food container to school. It's a girlie thing, no? You'll be surprise when you go out and work, the number of guys who bring packed lunches from home . Anyway, it's something that you have to decide for yourself. You know our stand, it's up to you now to decide what you want to do - your health or your pride (what makes you shy to bring food container to school).

I'm going to stop here. If I tell you more stuff, you may get too confuse. And from your posts, I get the feeling that you are getting there. Give yourself 2 weeks to get used to the change in food eating :

-reduce deep fried food until it's out of your diet. eat maybe once a week?
-reduce sugar by half each time
-reduce rice until finally 2 tablespoon, but if not, just reduce by half
-eat more vegetables
-eat more fruits

Talk to your Mum. She may help you out.

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Added on April 14, 2009, 9:11 amOO Recipe please share share. Wanna try making it.


This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 14 2009, 09:11 AM

You mean your problem about not losing the last few kg ?

Your food choices are scary. It's just lucky that you have a good exercise regime to load everything all off.

It's no different from what we said before.

-Deep fried stuff are bad
-Go for food that are made fresh material e.g. vegetables and meat
-Desserts : Go for fruits.
-Do away with salads that come with dressing.
-Your diet is loaded up with a lot of carbs and sugar, most of them hidden. If you want to drop the last few kg, may have to reduce them more.

It's about an energy balance.

Energy to exercise = Energy from Food + Energy from Body Fat

If you want to lose weight, u have to make sure that your body is getting energy from the body fat more than energy from food. Rather than just cut down on food quantities, you can do it by changing the type of foods that you're eating.

It's kinda a simplistic overview and more than a few people can get confuse.

If fruits are bad, use veggies I guess. Or plan your food intake better and not so near your activity times. You sure do eat a lot, even for the small meals.

You may have to stop going to general diet sites and goto the ones that are more focus on athletes. Not bodybuilders or weightlifters or powerlifters. Just athletes.

I get the feeling that you might want to switch to drink supplements and a post-workout nutrition plan. Just to control your cravings which I suspect is coming from blood sugar levels rising up and down very fast from the activities that you're doing.

Hmm...am I giving too much advice to u?

charge-n-go : Hmm...I'm going to stop giving advice and just give you a generic explaination so that you can do some tweaking to your diet as well as hunting for information.

All the advices that I've given you is based on what the body does. How it all comes together, it's a bit different from a person having a moderate lifestyle and an athlete-type of lifestyle (like you). At the same time, I'm learning myself about what happens in the body of these 2 different lifestyle situations.

Ultimately, it's about where your body is going to get the energy for you to do all the exercises and moving about. For a person who is losing weight, we have to watch the GI. But for you who are an athlete-type, it may not be so simple because the rate at which you burn energy is going to be a lot faster. So, you will need more energy than we do.

Because you need more energy at certain periods (e.g. before, during and after the exercise), you may be needing some moderate GI food to bring up the blood sugar level to even form the necessary energy fuel (whether it's glucose or glycogen). You will need to tweak your diet so that you can achieve that balance of eating enough not and the well-being feeling after a good workout.

And that's the hardest bit : the tweaking. It's not easy because athletes typically has smaller muscle mass compared to bodybuilders and weightlifters. So you're going to be processing the blood sugar faster than they are. Yes you lift weights but you also do martial arts where dexterity and speed needs huge bursts of speed i.e. a lot of fuel is burnt and this fuel will come from blood sugar but in what form, not sure whether it's gluocose or glycogen.

The tweaking is in the from of pre-workout, during-workout and post-workout nutrition. It's different from person to person, athlete to athlete. All the body functions remains the same. It's just a matter of changing diets to suit your needs.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=25108635

The above is a discussion going on about cardio in bodybuilding and it does provide some insight into the science of it all. And, it's not an exact science because to create the perfect scenario is going to take some time to tweak. Why the tweak? The body has an equal and opposite reaction for every action. For every glycogen produced, there's probably something in the body that is going on to make sure that it's not overproduced (probably because there's another health impact that will come along later) to maintain a "normal balance".

Just remember : all bodily functions are the same, whether it's for a normal person, an obese person, an athlete or a body builder. The difference is that all of those people have created different environments for their body to behave so certain processes take precendence over the other.

Trying to explain in layman terms is hard...

One other thing to add : people who do extreme diet (obese, anorexic) and people who do extreme exercises (bodybuilding, athletics, joggers, marathons) will be doing one thing the same :

PUSHING THE BODY TO THE MAX

So there may be health problems, granted that it's different health problems but with all the beating that the body is taking, something will give way.

We are still trying to understand how God's creation really works i.e. how the human bodies works the way it does. Until then, it's still a bit of guessing work and tweaking here and there.

We do live in interesting times, no?

Errr... I can only share information but you also have to take it with a pinch of salt. Because I've not read up much on pre-workout and post-workout meals.

What kurtbob78 said about fruits and fructose is correct. But it may not be the whole picture either because when one does something extreme, something else has to give way i.e. the balancing effect.

Majority of the information online has been condensed and summarized to paint one picture, whether it's good or bad. It's not always easy to discern whether the impact is positive or not. You have to do a lot of cross-referencing on your own, comparing what you've read and what your body feels like. Or just spend 1-2 hours in a bookstore reading about nutrition but my guess is that there's very few books about athletic nutrition. You may have to spend some money to get those type of information.

Keeping a blog helps. If that's too much of a hassle, keep a hardcopy journal. Then you can backtrack and check each time. When I started dieting, I keep a small notebook in my handbag to watch what I ate for the first 3 weeks. When you're doing your tweaking, it may take more than 3 weeks.

Give yourself 1-2 months to do your tweaking. It's a long period yes but sometimes, if one has a busy workschedule, have to be a bit slow.

Awesome Syd G!

Waiting for after work to check out the video. >.>

My old boss was a long-distance runner and she was a 4 feet 9 inch wonder. But her diet was really extreme and she was thin. Just didn't have the mood to eat much and she doesn't eat much. I used to see her eat an apple for lunch for years and a lot of greens. Very little meat.

Hi, welcome to the thread where a lot of proposals and solutions abount.

Perhaps, itmay help if you tell us what you normally eat, what time, how it's cook and what is your exercise time like?

People will post from there.

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Added on April 14, 2009, 4:18 pmBut I see charge-n-go has charged right in...

This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 14 2009, 04:18 PM

I'm feeling the guilt too for not exercising but for different reasons.

I'm sick yet again. Going to be sore when I start training tomorrow. Debating whether to start exercising before I finish the antibiotics or not. 2 more days. Going to start some light walking. This cough very hard to get rid off. Making me sweat but not a good way to do it. Warning to you all : never take up smoking. The toxins will come out of your body and make u feel worst. I see the black ashes, it's bad.

Scary when getting sick though. Lost another kilo in the span of 3 days. Not a good sign.

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Added on April 14, 2009, 7:15 pmexperience : time management during my study days was plotting how i can get away with spending too much time on my assignments and exam studying. then rest of the time, go play play.

with exercise, need buddies. we kinda support one another here. if we slack, wah, a lot of noise but encouragement too.

and we share what we eat to tempt each other.

syd g : err, i was reading up on some marathon details. you have someone running with u right? as well as someone training with u rite? got backup and contingency plans rite? (sorry, just worried after reading about what takes to be a marathon runner. scary).

tengster : i can tell you that when you start swimming, u realise that it's a different cardio workout from running. different muscles.

This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 14 2009, 07:15 PM

I lose 1 kg because I lost my appetite in the last 2 days. Very weak. Bad way to lose weight. Only today manage to get appetite bad but not much.

Time management : U know how to look at a school timetable rite? Make a block like that for all the hours of the week and plan it that way. Use drawing paper if you have to. That's how I learnt it with my Dad when I was younger.

I was a lazy student compared to my friends. They like to brag how they can study the whole afternoon until midnite. I study 2 hrs in afternoon. Rest - read book, watch TV, play with cat. You can start with 30 min exercise and work from there. Enough time to mandi and have dinner. After dinner, another 2-3 hrs study. Then sleep at 10 pm. I took short breaks in-between study time. Weekend rest days started from Friday afternoon until Sunday afternoon. Sunday evening - retrain mind back to studying and cramming homework. If homework is tough one, sometimes start as early as Saturday but I try not too. Spoil my weekend only.

This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 14 2009, 07:38 PM

How about if the answer isn't quite that simple when it comes to cardio and fat.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Cardio-to-Burn-F...rkout&id=460761

errr...wiki-san just use google machine to find the answer lah....just got back.

If you have seen Richard Simmons, you'd thank your lucky stars that that article is correct.

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Added on April 14, 2009, 11:44 pmmiriam : you might want to check out the discussion here about cardio workouts for burning fat i.e. HIIT :

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/997723

If someone bites, just persevere on for an answer. Usually someone patient will answer.



This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 14 2009, 11:44 PM

clarkfann : hmm....rest your brain a bit.

Actually, after you posted the links and re-reading the other cardio thread, it looks like there's 2 types of cardio here : aerobic and anaerobic.

Hmm...and I need to do some thinking about it too.

Hmm...I thought that anaerobic cardio was the one to burn fat. Based on the Cardio link in the Bodybuilding and Strength forum.