Well, low quality or not, thats your own point of view. and I gladly accept that POV

Laughing is good for health. being critical is fine too, but I think I leave that to more serious matter like work/health/environment/family which involves my life in reality. As for entertainment/movies,  I wont equip my "critical" ammunition and go all out in hitting the target.  That is my definition of "high quality":- we make the best of what we paid for, and no matter how many flaws in the movie.. we try out very best to enjoy its +ve moments. As for TF2 ,I found myself having do so.... really overcamed its few minor lame jokes scenes, and awed at the battle scenes that lasted much longer than the lame-jokes scene.

Same like eating a durian. If you complain smelly or hurt your finger from its thorns, you can said... "low quality fruit-lover deserve low-quality fruit". You havent even bothered to reach the stage to open up that durian (after hurting yourself/stuffing your nose). Other people might enjoy eating it already. "I am dissapointed in you for eating that durian!" LOL.
btw: I'm not a fan of durian (but doesnt meant I cant be in the shoes of durian lover!). Its all about acceptance different point of view and trying to be in their shoes, regardless of durian liking/age-group.

The reason why starscream has such body is because he is a jet plane, and the designers doesnt want him to overly tall compared to the rest of the bots. So they distribute his mass horizontally (aka wider and tri-obese)

If starcream really did transform into a humaniod upright shape, he will be much taller than Optimus and even Megatron. Kinda intimidating.

Ya, at least they get the characterization of Megatron and Starscream similar to it's comic/cartoon counterparts. "Starscream! You have failed me once again!" haha epic quotation from G1 Megatron.

Haha. You guys wont want starscream to go to the Smithsonian air museum, scan a aircraft, transform, pose, and let audience check den proceed to the next aircraft until the audience satisfied. LOL

Well because like nimrod describe, its a F22 Jet. Maybe Bay fold his wings and make him look like a triangle to differentiate him from Megatron. Normal userd hardly can recognize both of them because Decepts colors are similar.

Well the design is not cool at best but as long as its presentable unlike the proton juara. Im satisfied.   

this TF2 sucks than TF1

i cant find optimus man,sigh plus TOYSRUS have a limit of 1 item per purchase.

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Added on July 10, 2009, 9:29 pm

they better not make Fortress Maximus or Omega Supreme ugly in the next movie lol,if they have them at least. I want to see Grimlock,Springer,Defensor,Fortress Maximus, Omega Supreme, and possibly Jetfire back. Starscream's replica AllSpark is still in cybertron, but its still useless. Hopefully they'll expand on this plot.

huh i hated both. And they misled watchmen to be an action flick when it clearly wasnt one.

excuse me, whats wrong with you? lashing out on someone you barely know and blame them for your insecurities? Why is my liking of TF2 or any other action movie a problem to you? I didnt like Watchmen cause it was in my opinion false advertising and i wasnt following its comic, and i didnt like it for the gore and heavy violence that was in it, not my cup of tea. So what if i like to watch a movie for entertainment purpose and to wind down and relax? thats my preferences,hey if you like movie with storyline go ahead and watch it, its your money. I watched countless amount of movies with good story line, U571, The Untouchables, Tuesdays With Morrie, and countless others, but by doing that it doenst make me any less or more of champion/quality stuff. Watching a good or bad movie doesnt enhance anything on you, unless you are the type who projects your self and ideals through watching movies that are so called "great", makes your ego even bigger does it now? You should blame yourself for your dislikes. Its like blaming me for eating Mat kool Ice cream just because you hate it and by me continuing to eat it makes you even more hateful to the fact that nestle is producing Mat kool for the likes of me. If you dont like the so called "mindless/brainless flick" avoid it,no1 asked you or compelled you to watch it, dont waste your money and keep your opinion to yourself and seriously i dont give 2 shit about your low quality equates to low quality audience hypothesis cause it only applies to you and you only,dont try to enforce it on me or other people.

It baffles me why you keep attacking people's personal taste on movies. Just accept and move on, dude.

Different people different taste. We have the rights to dislike the movie you define as epic and great, and vice versa.

Do we need to bow to you and praise you for your uber "great" taste in movies and learn to appreciate movies like the way you do?

ah but clearly i didnt crucify the person for saying he liked the movie like your emotional outburst. I didnt say stuff like because he liked watchmen he is low quality or because of people like him its the reason for movies like watchmen are created. I dont blame him for that, i dont blame him for watching it,i respect his preference i dont say stuff like he is low quality audience just because i didnt like watchmen. Clearly its evident you are pissed with TF2 your continued anger towards and bashing of people who watch this movie is clearly evidenced from this thread alone, so what if people liked it, you dont have to crucify them for that and resort to bashing and call them names.

haha generalizing again i guess? its clear that you are putting people down for liking the movie, low quality equates to not of par/standards/level, you made it very clear that people who dont share your ideals and the way you see movies are below your greatness. And if you clearly checked in my post i didnt imply you said stupid, but putting down people using terms like "low quality" and "dont deserve" and this kind of things equates to an insult, insults come in different forms this is clearly one of it.

This might explain the suprising "long lapse" of his respond (if he ever intend to) after the outburst,compared to just now. I hope we get quality rebuttal without half-baked insults and non-repetitive ones.

Sigh. cant even rate movies as average these days. There are people hell bent on insisting us to kneel down and rate it as shitty and other "colourful" choices of words.

What happened to "respect each other's opinion and taste" ?

I didnt say i was duped, i try to find some info on the Watchmen before watching it, read some synopsis of the comic book, and realized that it was more of like a bit of V,in terms of story telling, anarchy and other values fill it. When the advertisements and all the marketing materials pointed it too be action based i thought okay maybe its a nice twist to the story and also its values, but when i watched the movie it was waaaay different then it was advertised, probably i should read the comic book to have an estimation of what it should be. I told you already i watch movies purely for winding down an entertainment purpose cause it lets you relax, it doesnt matter what movie i watch as long as it does the job then im fine with it. I judge a movie based on several different criterias and action is not my primary objective but i'll be furious if it has false  advertising like the likes of The Spirit!

imo, Megatron and Starscream were just using The Fallen for their own personal agendas. If the matrix did its job,Megatron and Starscream would have tagteam and finish off the fallen.

they wont revive the fallen he was just a means to get the energon,prime just did the job for them. Starscream has a replica Allspark in cybertron,they'd probably try to revive that one.

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Added on July 14, 2009, 4:03 pm

they even expect us to bend down to critics that emulate their way of thinking. And whatever that comes from critics cant be disputed and must be taken as the final verdict and we have to keep our verdict to ourself and like mindless drones follow and harp on the critic's take on the movie, with no rebuttal whatosever.

what they are pointing out is enjoying a so called 'low quality' movie doesnt make one valid as a low quality audience. Better keep the quote for your own preferences.

Your quotation does not justify the cause for directors to continue producing low quality movies in future instead it pointed out that audiences that watch these 'low quality' movies are itself low quality viewers. You do note that some may not take the 'low quality audience' phrase easily right ?

Regardless it is low or high quality audiences, both has infact contributed to the gross when they got the ticket from cinema. So enjoying the movie is to make the best out of the money paid. The reviews and ratings can make its way from media to producers after that.

Take TF2 as example, i am sure Bay already knew that TF2 is really not up to par by now with all the reviews and being labeled as a bad movie in whole. As viewers we could just hope he can do better in TF3. The clear mesage has been conveyed to the producers and it is up to them to make the call from here.

hey~~i thought all this has stopped already lol.

Lol, TF3 should be out on 2012 ... to think of it Bay did the right thing by going on a short hiatus so that he can revitalize and think of fresh ideas to implement. TF2 was made as soon as TF1 finished not long... which is a huge mistake.

walao eh the "discussion" is still raging on ah?
I dont believe that is what the phrase meant at all.

Oh man, cmon. Stop being a pain in this thread.

Bump.. Metroplex

ummmm... i just the IDW TF dude not bayformers or direct to u...

Maybe yes or maybe no. i dunno... 

If u feel awkward, sorry i can't do anything... 

I feel post when i like bro...

Just watched V for Vendetta again. After finding some info, the Wachowskis Bro were the writers. This just made me to salivate the prospect.... hoping for the Wachowskis Bros to take helm for this Transformers franchise. They're just so talented, successfully adapting an Alan Moore's GN to the big screen so well. One heck of a job to do.