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post May 31 2009, 02:06 AM, updated 17y ago

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Ingredients:
1.Thermal Wrap (30meters for whole exhaust system,15meters for header or turbo manifold)
2.Clips (the more clips the more secure n firm your wrapping will be)

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Tools:
1.Long nose plier

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2.Gloves

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Advantages:
Exhaust
1.Bring down temperature in your Engine Bay
2.Increase exhaust temperature for faster air flow velocity
3.Nicer n Tidy engine bay's looks

AIr con Piping
1.Minimize the engine heat interference with the air con piping which coolant flowing in it.Consistency of air con temperature

Intake Piping
1.Cooler intake air = Engine perform better and more constant.

WARNING!
This is a fibreglass based thermal wrap,It will cause itchyness when in contact with human skin.Gloves,Long sleeves and long pant are advised to be worn during the process.


Added on May 31, 2009, 2:08 am
1.Place one end of your thermal wrap perpendicular to the piping you want and hold it

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2.Wrap around it and make a 30degree turning

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4.Let every wrapping overlap it by half of the thermalwrap's width. The 2nd Pic show you a wrong example without overlapping it.Yes it will save u some of the stuff but the finish product won't last long and it doesn't function cos there's a leak for heat dissipation.

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Added on May 31, 2009, 2:10 am

5.Put your clips in...pull n Fully Tighten it (moderately pulling force cos the edge of the clip is kinda sharp)

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6.Now take out ur long nose plier and really make sure ur clips is FULLY tighten!

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7.Cut the the extra left over material,fold it back and fold again so that u can insert it back to the clips holder itself....after folded u may wanna hammer it abit to reassure that it's secure properly

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Basically i've oredi briefly the necessary skill for this DIY...the rest of the wrapping just apply the similiar technic.Oh ya...you wanna ask me how many clips to use huh?yaya....i'll tell you more clips = more secure.But fren...agak agak lah biggrin.gif


Added on May 31, 2009, 2:28 am

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u left out the need for gloves in the tool/ ingredients....

have to wear glove...otherwise ur hand will itch like hell...

ive even heard of some shops that refuse to do thermal wrapping coz dun wan their hands to get damn itchy laugh.gif
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exhaust piping use thermal wrapping

intake piping and aircond piping use TSD boron nitrate to expel heat more efficiently
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ May 31 2009, 04:40 AM)
exhaust piping use thermal wrapping

intake piping and aircond piping use TSD boron nitrate[I] to expel heat more efficiently
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post May 31 2009, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ May 31 2009, 03:24 AM)
u left out the need for gloves in the tool/ ingredients....

have to wear glove...otherwise ur hand will itch like hell...

ive even heard of some shops that refuse to do thermal wrapping coz dun wan their hands to get damn itchy laugh.gif
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Added on May 31, 2009, 2:06 pm
QUOTE(the_catacombs @ May 31 2009, 04:40 AM)
exhaust piping use thermal wrapping

intake piping and aircond piping use TSD boron nitrate to expel heat more efficiently
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FYI, exhaust piping also can b use TSD boron nitrate, but kind a waste. normally ppl spray it on radiator, condenser, oil cooler, interco0ler, etc. those thing need to reduce heat fast.

due to the price u can get for this TSD boron nitrate, that's too costly.
price for u guys to reference that i found on a forum for this TSD boron nitrate: $155 per 250ml bottle, 10 bottles at $150 each , buy 10 free 1

*price is on SGD



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QUOTE(siksa @ May 31 2009, 01:07 PM)
What Is That? Info/Link/Etc/Where To Buy,Please?!  smile.gif
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http://www.automotivesynergy.com/content/view/30/37/

QUOTE(respect_inc @ May 31 2009, 01:51 PM)
FYI, exhaust piping also can b use TSD boron nitrate, but kind a waste. normally ppl spray it on radiator, condenser, oil cooler, interco0ler, etc. those thing need to reduce heat fast.

due to the price u can get for this TSD boron nitrate, that's too costly.
price for u guys to reference that i found on a forum for this TSD boron nitrate: $155 per 250ml bottle, 10 bottles at $150 each , buy 10 free 1

*price is on SGD
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no it is not recommended to spray on exhaust piping... exhaust shouldnt expel heat as cooler exhaust gas flows slower and exits slower compare to hot exhaust gas.... this reduces flow efficiency in ur exhaust flow.... this is also why people use ceramic coat or/and thermal wrapping to contain heat inside the piping... not to forget, expelling heat will increase ur engine bay temperature....
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jun 1 2009, 01:52 AM)
http://www.automotivesynergy.com/content/view/30/37/
no it is not recommended to spray on exhaust piping... exhaust shouldnt expel heat as cooler exhaust gas flows slower and exits slower compare to hot exhaust gas.... this reduces flow efficiency in ur exhaust flow.... this is also why people use ceramic coat or/and thermal wrapping to contain heat inside the piping... not to forget, expelling heat will increase ur engine bay temperature....
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about the link u gave above they got stated about the place to apply this TDS boron as below :

"1. Automotive - radiator, air cond condensor, gear box housing, turbo, intake manifold, engine cover, exhaust, oil cooler, oil pan, ATF cooler, brake calipers, brake pads and battery"

is it recommended to spray on exhaust piping or manifold or not ..this i'm not sure. for what i learn, what i know, the correct degree for both intake or exhaust valve overlap, with the nice exhaust system setup, the exhaust piping inner surface, etc. this all will help the exhaust gas flow smoother...

n really never heard about hot exhaust gas will flow more smoother than cooler exhaust gas, this i will try to search n c any info on this or not...

from theory ...exhaust gas might same as intake air, if the ex. gas was cool mean higher density, can b increasing the amount of ex.gas to flow out to the exhaust system, mean exhaust gas can flow out more faster than when ex. gas was hot, agree ? if wrong pls correct . keep discuss on this, quite interested to know about this hmm.gif

for my point of view, ceramic coat or thermal wrapping to contain the head inside is bcos to avoid the heat to affected the intake air temperature. expelling heat will increase the engine bay temperature, i'm agree on this, but just for when the car is stop there n not moving.
cos if i spray on the radiator or condenser...it help to expelling the heat also, even i'm not spray it on the extractor, once the radiator fan working...all the heat will suck into the engine bay also, engine bay temperature will increase also.

hv another way to do on the thermal wrap, that i found out on those custom chopper builder, take the thermal wrap to do ceramic coating. but this kind a costly move also hehehe

if any1 hv more information on this, pls share it here n discuss together. thanks thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(respect_inc @ Jun 1 2009, 08:30 PM)
about the link u gave above they got stated about the place to apply this TDS boron as below :

"1. Automotive - radiator, air cond condensor, gear box housing, turbo, intake manifold, engine cover, exhaust, oil cooler, oil pan, ATF cooler, brake calipers, brake pads and battery"

is it recommended to spray on exhaust piping or manifold or not ..this i'm not sure.  for what i learn, what i know, the correct degree for both intake or exhaust valve overlap, with the nice exhaust system setup, the exhaust piping inner surface, etc. this all will help the exhaust gas flow smoother...

n really never heard about hot exhaust gas will flow more smoother than cooler exhaust gas, this i will try to search n c any info on this or not...

from theory ...exhaust gas might same as intake air, if the ex. gas was cool mean higher density, can b increasing the amount of ex.gas to flow out to the exhaust system, mean exhaust gas can flow out more faster than when ex. gas was hot, agree ? if wrong pls correct . keep discuss on this, quite interested to know about this  hmm.gif

for my point of view, ceramic coat or thermal wrapping to contain the head inside is bcos to avoid the heat to affected the intake air temperature.  expelling heat will increase the engine bay temperature, i'm agree on this, but just for when the car is stop there n not moving.
cos if i spray on the radiator or condenser...it help to expelling the heat also, even i'm not spray it on the extractor,  once the radiator fan working...all the heat will suck into the engine bay also, engine bay temperature will increase also.

hv another way to do on the thermal wrap, that i found out on those custom chopper builder, take the thermal wrap to do ceramic coating. but this kind a costly move also hehehe

if any1 hv more information on this, pls share it here n discuss together. thanks  thumbup.gif
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i dun mean hot air flow smoother... i mean flow faster... cool air slows down and causes restriction inside the exhaust piping... hence, it is good to maintain the exhaust has temp so it can flow out faster....

ceramic coat or thermal wrapping contain heat mainly to maintain exhaust flow rate in ur exhaust piping... other benefits includes reducing the amount of heat expelled out to the surrounding...

reducing engine bay temperature not as important as reducing engine temperature itself... the main method of reducing engine temperature is through radiator... hence, radiator efficiency in expelling heat is what matters most...
engine bay temperature can increase, as long as ur intake (air filter) air is cool.... this contradict each other as intake air must go thru engine bay to get to ur engine... hence, reducing engine bay temp equals to reducing intake air temperature...
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jun 1 2009, 09:08 PM)
i dun mean hot air flow smoother... i mean flow faster... cool air slows down and causes restriction inside the exhaust piping... hence, it is good to maintain the exhaust has temp so it can flow out faster....

ceramic coat or thermal wrapping contain heat mainly to maintain exhaust flow rate in ur exhaust piping... other benefits includes reducing the amount of heat expelled out to the surrounding...

reducing engine bay temperature not as important as reducing engine temperature itself... the main method of reducing engine temperature is through radiator... hence, radiator efficiency in expelling heat is what matters most...
engine bay temperature can increase, as long as ur intake (air filter) air is cool.... this contradict each other as intake air must go thru engine bay to get to ur engine... hence, reducing engine bay temp equals to reducing intake air temperature...
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ok bro, found some data on the net for ceramic coat as below:

"Ceramic coatings have proven themselves in engine horsepower gain by reducing friction, heat, and wear. The most common applications for ceramic coatings are on the exhaust system, manifolds, and headers. When ceramic thermal barrier coatings are applied to exhaust manifolds or headers, they provide two advantages. They protect the headers from rust and corrosion and also reduce heat loss(means the heat will transfer equally to the whole parts & radiated heat temp. will reduce), which translates into high power output. If the headers are internally coated, they will create a higher velocity of the hot exhaust gases and less turbulence due to a smoother surface."

n thermal wrap was just reducing the radiated heat temp. it won't help on the exhaust gas flow rate.

1 more thing, since u mention that engine bay temp can b increase. yup it can b increase, no doubt, but y we must keep mention about the keep the engine bay temperature down, cos this engine bay temp might affected ur intake air temp (some of the ppl using others weak heat insulator air ram, this might hv posibility increase the intake air temp. also. I never say that intake air was from the engine bay, some mightb cos of using open pod air filter), engine surface temp (that it might hv posibility transfer the heat into), etc, of cos affected the engine performance also.

its as important as reducing the engine temperature. lower engine temp. can b extended life of others component that surrounding the engine, of cos is the same, lower engine temp. can extended the engine parts life also.

hope that no hard feeling ya bro, i do enjoy on this discussion, cos learn a lot. thumbup.gif
actually we already out of the topic for these thread that i post on behalf my friend. so y not we just stop here, if got chance bring this question to a new thread to discuss about it. smile.gif

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QUOTE(respect_inc @ Jun 2 2009, 12:44 AM)
ok bro, found some data on the net for ceramic coat as below:

"Ceramic coatings have proven themselves in engine horsepower gain by reducing friction, heat, and wear. The most common applications for ceramic coatings are on the exhaust system, manifolds, and headers. When ceramic thermal barrier coatings are applied to exhaust manifolds or headers, they provide two advantages. They protect the headers from rust and corrosion and also reduce heat loss(means the heat will transfer equally to the whole parts & radiated heat temp. will reduce), which translates into high power output. If the headers are internally coated, they will create a higher velocity of the hot exhaust gases and less turbulence due to a smoother surface."

n thermal wrap was just reducing the radiated heat temp. it won't help on the exhaust gas flow rate.

1 more thing, since u mention that engine bay temp can b increase. yup it can b increase, no doubt, but y we must keep mention about the keep the engine bay temperature down, cos this engine bay temp might affected ur intake air temp (some of the ppl using others weak heat insulator air ram, this might hv posibility increase the intake air temp. also. I never say that intake air was from the engine bay, some mightb cos of using open pod air filter), engine surface temp (that it might hv posibility transfer the heat into), etc, of cos affected the engine performance also.

its as important as reducing the engine temperature. lower engine temp. can b extended life of others component that surrounding the engine, of cos is the same, lower engine temp. can extended the engine parts life also.

hope that no hard feeling ya bro, i do enjoy on this discussion, cos learn a lot.  thumbup.gif
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wow.... first time learning ceramic coat can be separated into inner coating and outer coating... thanks for the info...

yes u might have the most efficient cold air intake system with the filter pod located under ur bumper away from engine bay heat... but ur intake path will still pass thru engine bay... if ur intake piping is heated up, it will also heat up the air flowing inside ur intake piping... yes not much effect but the theory is there... air will still be heated up if engine bay temperature rises...

this is also why new engine manufacturers adopt using high quality plastic intake manifold to avoid heat soak... other applications such as PU gasket for intake side to prevent direct heat transfer from engine to intake manifold....
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QUOTE(respect_inc @ Jun 1 2009, 08:30 PM)
about the link u gave above they got stated about the place to apply this TDS boron as below :

"1. Automotive - radiator, air cond condensor, gear box housing, turbo, intake manifold, engine cover, exhaust, oil cooler, oil pan, ATF cooler, brake calipers, brake pads and battery"

is it recommended to spray on exhaust piping or manifold or not ..this i'm not sure.  for what i learn, what i know, the correct degree for both intake or exhaust valve overlap, with the nice exhaust system setup, the exhaust piping inner surface, etc. this all will help the exhaust gas flow smoother...

n really never heard about hot exhaust gas will flow more smoother than cooler exhaust gas, this i will try to search n c any info on this or not...
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Look up scavenging effect, usually for exhaust manifold. The manifold wrap is to contain the heat within the header/manifold so that it accelerates quickly out of the manifold and the velocity actually pulls the exhaust gasses along the way and out the tail end.

Personally i think the thermal wrap does more damage than benefit to a cars setup.
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QUOTE(ryan_hustler @ Jun 2 2009, 10:35 AM)
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Look up scavenging effect, usually for exhaust manifold. The manifold wrap is to contain the heat within the header/manifold so that it accelerates quickly out of the manifold and the velocity actually pulls the exhaust gasses along the way and out the tail end.

Personally i think the thermal wrap does more damage than benefit to a cars setup.
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scavenging !! (sounds familiar on 2-stroke engine) hahahaha BTW found some info on net also, as below:

"increasing the combustion temperature and scavenging efficiency promised the greatest possibilities."


i heard b4 about the thermal wrap does damanged on the part ...but so far what we tested around 2 years, still no big deal. hmm.gif


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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jun 2 2009, 01:12 AM)
wow.... first time learning ceramic coat can be separated into inner coating and outer coating... thanks for the info...

yes u might have the most efficient cold air intake system with the filter pod located under ur bumper away from engine bay heat... but ur intake path will still pass thru engine bay... if ur intake piping is heated up, it will also heat up the air flowing inside ur intake piping... yes not much effect but the theory is there... air will still be heated up if engine bay temperature rises...

this is also why new engine manufacturers adopt using high quality plastic intake manifold to avoid heat soak... other applications such as PU gasket for intake side to prevent direct heat transfer from engine to intake manifold....
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yup u r right, but due to modification wise, some of the owner might replace those plastic parts or remove it, n using some unknown material parts, this is an issue.

really need to stop right here hahahaha totally out of the topic of my friend's DIY thread hahahaha


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QUOTE(respect_inc @ Jun 2 2009, 09:42 PM)
yup u r right, but due to modification wise, some of the owner might replace those plastic parts or remove it, n using some unknown material parts, this is an issue.
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yeap... modification wise, they'll need more solid material... for example, it is wise to upgrade to aluminium fuel rail if u were to increase fuel pressure for campro engines... as well as intake manifold, not wise to use plastic intake manifold from saga campro engine if u bolting on turbocharger...
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QUOTE(respect_inc @ Jun 2 2009, 09:42 PM)
scavenging !! (sounds familiar on 2-stroke engine) hahahaha BTW found some info on net also, as below:

"increasing the combustion temperature and scavenging efficiency promised the greatest possibilities."
i heard b4 about the thermal wrap does damanged on the part ...but so far what we tested around 2 years, still no big deal.  hmm.gif


Added on June 2, 2009, 9:48 pm
yup u r right, but due to modification wise, some of the owner might replace those plastic parts or remove it, n using some unknown material parts, this is an issue.

really need to stop right here hahahaha totally out of the topic of my friend's DIY thread hahahaha
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You could say that,since on a two stroke engine,the exhaust gasses actually suck in fresh air + fuel..
In this context,the hot air flow thru the headers flow faster if the heat is maintained,therefore sucking with it the remaining exhaust gas in pulses. (Bernoullis principle if im not mistaken)
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hello bro... have receive the item already. thanks
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DEI Titanium Exhaust manifold wrap from USA.

Saw this product in Singapore Autobacs, Stamford Tyres. Titanium wrap looks cool. The specs are"

radiant heat up to 2500 deg F, continouos heat 1800deg F.

Authorised Asia distributor is Basus Marketing Pte Ltd singapore, per www.designengineering.com website.


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QUOTE(jdooley @ Aug 31 2009, 03:52 PM)
DEI Titanium Exhaust manifold wrap from USA.

Saw this product in Singapore Autobacs, Stamford Tyres. Titanium wrap looks cool.  The specs are"

radiant heat up to 2500 deg F, continouos heat 1800deg F.

Authorised Asia distributor is Basus Marketing Pte Ltd singapore, per www.designengineering.com website.
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