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zidanedagger
post May 23 2009, 09:16 AM

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Good effort on opening this thread to clearify what exactly Actuary profession is. I also want to become actuary. I think why malaysia has only 50 actuary maybe due to the paid in malaysia not as attractive as western countries. If I am a (qualified) actuary someday, I will rather go to UK/US look for higher pay (I think at least GP2000). Another reason is the facility/ opportunity(eg, internship) in Malaysia is very little too, only a few institutions are offering actuarial science and most of them aren't able to gain examption in their course, they rather produce the degree in actuarial science rather than train an actuary.

I also have done my research on it. Since you have been studying AS and now working, so I may need your opinion/advise. I'm going to do Maths & Econs degree in NTU coming this august. My formal plan was go into NTU's business and major in AS to gain exemptions but they failed to offer me the course. So I change my plan by do self-study & register examination either during school time or after graduation with degree in maths & econs. I know my life is gonna be very tough, so may i ask you that is this degree relevant to actuarial science?

Actually I still doubt myself am I really like AS or rather maths. So, can you briefly describe what tasks or problems usually an Actuary will deal? What is the most important responsibly /role as an Actuary? Lastly, may i know why you still choose to become an actuary since you have realized that it is not fully maths?

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post May 23 2009, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(ecVk @ May 23 2009, 10:41 AM)
Very useful post. Is it true that one insurance company only will hire one actuarist?
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I believe it is true. On the other hand, although company only need 1 Actuary ( a lot of people mistaken that actuarial profession is actua + rist, even my english teacher say I'm wrong but in fact there is no actuarist word in dictionary and actuary is a special term for actuarial profession) but they still employ fresh graduate and train them for future replacement or send them to other branches. This mostly can see in those western countries but not in Malaysia.
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post May 23 2009, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(tanjinjack @ May 23 2009, 12:21 PM)
Great post, hope the mods can pin this up as I do see a lot of people having misconceptions. (including myself for the 3rd one.)

Just want to ask one (couples of) things.
Actuaries do need communication skill don't they?
And often they are offered such high salaries are due to their position who can make crucial decision, right?

Also, it seems that there are more and more people with AS degree venturing other fields for risk managing task. What's your opinion on this?
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Actuaries need a good communication skill.
IMO Yes, why they offerred well salary because of their unique critical thinking skill, combination of knowledge(finance, insurance, maths, econs & risks) & ability to analysis risks with a wide range of factors.
IMO also the ability to determine the correct factors is far more important than your ability to calculate where calculation is just a small part of the whole project & assume that you already master them. (I need TS to clearify me whether my statement correct or not)
I only heard a lot of AS degree holder in Malaysia and most of them ended up not doing AS instead go to financial industry. Whether they are doing risk management or not I'm not so sure.

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post May 23 2009, 07:57 PM

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(1)So, is it taking maths & econ degree will be safer to me if I still have doubt about become actuary? But, the problem is what can math & econ degree do beside doing actuary, the course states that with this degree can do risk analyst, finance industry and so on....But wouldn't the employer more appreciate those student with degree in finance & banking or account&finance and so on....?

(2)Huh!? very cool man! Looks like phd, doctor, prof.... cool2.gif

(3)May i know how actuaries work as a team? Wouldn't they crash on different opinions/views about pricing product or valuation?

May i ask that is it actuary only well-paid when working in insurance company? How about working in Central bank, financial company, commercial bank, consultant firm and so on? May i ask what actuarial tasks for you is the most excited & interested?

Thank for answering and clear my doubt! thumbup.gif

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post May 25 2009, 07:12 PM

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yea, the Actuary profession bodies have no restriction. I heard my brother said one of his friends who were taking engineering but went to take the exam.
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post May 27 2009, 08:52 AM

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I have a friend says that "Nowaday, the economic recession has made insurance companies hardly survive, in order to cut their cost employer train those "experience" workers to do actuarial tasks to substitute qualified actuary" So, is it possible such phenomena happen as I thought Actuary is not only well paid and the demand always there.
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post Jun 24 2009, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(LukeMjstc @ Jun 23 2009, 10:50 PM)
Agreed. I choose to enter science stream back at f4 althou i've love to do bout business/finance field due to the fact that those art knowledges are relatively easier to be obtained, even thru daily life but science knowledges aren't

IMO, only choose actuarial science if you've extremely good analysing ability combined with decent maths skill. You must love figures if you wanted to do it. Otherwise, your life will be miserable.

And you must also love this phrase from SoA: Risk is Opportunity =)
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I like it! drool.gif It's become my motivation to pursue Actuary now.

 

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