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gomes.
post Apr 2 2010, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(9rac3 @ Apr 2 2010, 04:25 PM)
i'm not sure if this thread stil continuing, or shld i start a new topic.. =)

ok, here it goes, i've read some comment, saying tat being an actuary doens really specifically require a degree in actuarial science, as long u have those actuarial professional cert / recognized paper with any related degree

so i have 2 questions here,

1. wat are the related degrees will you recommend which also allow you to become an actuary?


maths, economics etc.. basically any subject with a "quantitative" background. engineering also..

QUOTE(9rac3 @ Apr 2 2010, 04:25 PM)
2. let say, u fail to become an actuary, where else can u go with these recommended degrees above (if u answer question above)?


economics -- work in the financial sector/bank etc.
maths -- work in the financial sector/bank, statistician, etc.. although with maths you might want to take some subjects in financial maths etc. search for terms like black-scholes, ito's lemma etc. to know more


Added on April 2, 2010, 6:51 pmwith maths degree, u can then specialise in financial maths (involves maths/calculations like actuarial science, but financial maths is more "pure maths" instead of statistics like actuarial science).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_finance


Added on April 2, 2010, 6:51 pmyou might want to take a course like this below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Quantitative_Finance


Added on April 2, 2010, 6:53 pmif you have a masters degree in financial maths (see link above), you are very well placed to go into alot of areas in the financial sector (investment banking, banking, finance all these stuff etc.)


Added on April 2, 2010, 6:55 pmif you like stats, then maybe actuarial science would suit you. if you like more pure maths, financial maths would suit you more.

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post May 19 2010, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(danes007 @ May 19 2010, 04:07 AM)
Yes. It's true that maths alone would not be sufficient enough for any field but there are some fields that require more mathematical skill than others. I love the probability/mathematical reasoning/linear programming types of maths. I am actually interested in finance stuffs. Yea, i also heard about it. the stochastics modelling,black and scholes formula and people are telling that statistics are one of the worst things one could possibly studies. Most of the feedbacks i got about this course are negative one. That makes me rethink. And, i came up with another course, which is financial engineering. Currently offered at mmu only in Malaysia if i'm not mistaken. So, you are an actuarial science student? Can i knw where are you studying and how the whole course is from u're experience? thanks.


Added on May 19, 2010, 4:12 am
Thanks for your opinion. I thought of joining some company as a actuarial trainee. Is it possible? So, this majors, can we choose it? And, do every university gives us chance to major in specific field? what about the statistics? What do i need to do to be good at it? From the info that i got, it seems like actuarial science is a demanding career option since you can go for many type's of finance/economics related works besides being an actuarist. What do you think about financial engineering course?
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Financial engineering is more of pure mathematics, such as analysis, differential equations, linear algebra (well you rely alot on those 3 areas), and probability. but NOT stats. (there is a difference between stats and probability)

basically financial engineering is mostly pure maths (analysis, differential equations, linear algebra), and some probaility (stochastic processes), but less of stats.

where as actuarial science is more of statistics.

personally its really up to you, but financial engineering IMO has better career prospects in the financial sector because its not so directed into actuarial/insurance stuff.

read this: about financial engineering (also called quantitative finance, etc.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_Finance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%C5%8D's_lemma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black%E2%80%93Scholes

and most people do financial engineering/financial maths etc.. as a masters degree 1 year course, whereas actuarial science alot of people do it as a 3 years undergrad course.
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post May 21 2010, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(danes007 @ May 20 2010, 11:53 AM)
What are the job prospects available in financial engineering field and which one is most desirable in term of work,salaries, working hours, and demands. Does this kind of jobs depends on economical state of a country? does it means that it is not a very stable field and one might lose their job under economic crisis? If you compare financial jobs with engineering jobs, which one would you say better overall? I'm so confused here.  rclxub.gif Thanks for your opinion.


Added on May 20, 2010, 11:55 am*economical status
You can go into investment banking, working in the financial sector etc..
http://www.campusrecruitment-tradingfloor....Business-Areas/
Just look under analyst, in general, you could go into those areas, i think..

Does this kind of jobs depends on economical state of a country? ---- most jobs do, but it doesnt necessarily mean you will lose your job when the country is in a bad economic state..

Really depends, if you do engineering, you either work like in a plant/factory, as the plant manager, or go into the sales division. with the sales division you need good interpersonal skills and stuff to suceed when talking to customers and clients etc.. but that generally has more potential than a plant manager and you can rise up higher to a high position etc..

personally its up to you. i had no interest in engineering (didnt like sciences at alevels), but i preferred maths and economics etc. so i chose to go the financial field (financial engineering etc. quant finance) pathway.


QUOTE(danes007 @ May 20 2010, 11:53 AM)

Added on May 20, 2010, 1:13 pm
I just finish my secondary school. Now, choosing the right college/uni to enter. Oh, so u're studying in Australia, what do you think about engineering field? If compared financial field and engineering field, which 1 would you suggest and why? How's an actuarist's job? Is it interesting? Or just spending the whole life in excel with statistics and all that? thanks.
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What I did:

1. do alevels (at taylors/help/mckl etc..)
2. go to uk do 4 year degree like MORSE (warwick) http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/study/undergradu.../depta2z/morse/, or just a 3 years maths degree and then do a masters in financial maths (http://www2.lse.ac.uk/maths/Degrees/MSc_Financial_Mathematics.aspx)
3. you can start work in the financial field


With actuarist, some people dont find "spending the whole life in excel with statistics and all that" boring. smile.gif And personally, i dont think its that boring as the outside world portrays it, but it really depends on you. if you still are not sure, just spend some time working in an actuarial firm and find out if you like it or not.

personally, i dont really like stats, but i like puremaths. so thats why im doing financial engineering and not actuarial stuff.

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post May 25 2010, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(oXide @ May 23 2010, 01:03 AM)
gomes,,,,,do you really studied at taylOrs before????

if yes,i am applying to pursue my degree in actuarial sc there..but,i am having shOrt in fund! cry.gif

plz...if you have any idea(like applying for a bank loan+signing a cOntract with them) on how to help with the fund,could you plz plz plz tell me... sad.gif

besides,how did you pay the fees while studying there?was it your persOnal fund or what?? wink.gif
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parents paid for my course, and im not doing the ADP actuarial science in taylors. erm, maybe scholarships, or just take a bank loan, or like mortgage loan.. i guess there might be other options, but im not sure.

QUOTE(xzjasonzx @ May 24 2010, 01:08 PM)
Just for curiosity, nowadays actuarial science sumhow became the dream course for everyone who are good in maths, it's like ''oh I got an A in maths, I want to be an actuary'' kind of thing. Will this be like a trend like the IT course 10 years or more ago whereby it suddenly became a popular course and end up there are less jobs compare to the graduates?

I'm asking this because I have seen and heard many people that scored an A+ in spm add maths tend to have the passion to be an actuary someday, is this a false sense that scoring in maths is enough to study actuarial science?


I think its somewhat different, because getting A1 for add maths/maths at SPM doesnt really mean you are THAT good in maths. if you are really really brilliant at maths, there is a good chance you will suceed in actuarial science/to become an actuary.

people may have got A for maths/add maths at SPm, and think they are good enough for actuarial science, but thats not the case, and thus leading them to dropping out/failing to qualify fully (the later papers are quite tough) as an actuarist.

you can still work in the bank/finance etc. and do non actuarial work if you have an actuarial science degree though, so thats somewhat a "fall back" plan.

QUOTE(xzjasonzx @ May 24 2010, 01:08 PM)

Is there such a high demand for actuary? If many people who are good in maths or even those who scored an A in exams go for actuarial science, would this amount way surpass the actual demand for it in the market?

I ask these questions because actuarial science has become a blooming course in the world where more and more universities provide such course. For parents in thier 40s or 50s, they didn't even heard of this course in the past, and by encouraging their children's dream alone without knowing the actual situation, would this lead to dissapointments or regrets later on?
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if you are fully qualified as an actuarist, then you will be in demand.


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post Nov 6 2010, 05:17 AM

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alot of people with actuarial science degrees (speaking mainly for UK based degrees, e.g. LSE) dont necessarily became actuarists. they just work in the financial sector, like in a bank or something, but not related to actuarial. so with an actuarial science degree you can get a job in the financial sector, like analyst/graduate programme in banks etc. thats what quite a number of people with actuarial science degrees from the UK do

 

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