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Business The Truth about Actuarial Science, It is not only about the Math
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BenMO
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Aug 25 2014, 07:57 AM
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I am a mature student currently going to school in Canada. I have two program choices to choose from and they are undergraduate Actuarial Mathematics program and undergraduate Civil Engineering program. I have been accepted to both programs and have to choose one of them by the end of August. I love pure math and my GPA has been excellent so far. I hold a previous mechanical engineering degree from overseas which is not in demand very much in North America and that is why I am back to school again. I have heard that entry level actuaries would have better job opportunities in comparison with entry level civil engineers. Do you think this is true? what is the current job market like for entry level actuaries? I understand that in order to become an entry level actuary one must study very hard for at least four yours. Beside all personal preferences and circumstances, there are other things to consider, including employment outlooks, potential income opportunities, jobs available etc that are equally or even more important. Considering all these, I would like to seek your advice and opinions and know what your thoughts are about these two educational choices. Thank you for your time.
This post has been edited by BenMO: Aug 25 2014, 08:03 AM
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BenMO
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Aug 29 2014, 01:20 AM
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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Aug 25 2014, 07:46 AM) I find it incredible that you are asking these questions given you already have an engineering degree. You would know more about engineering and at least have a far better idea of civil eng than most lay people. I'm going to make an educated guess and say civil engineers have an easier time looking for work than student actuaries. Actuaries add value to financial services and risk management, and sometimes statistical modelling, but nothing quite as solid as buildings and the environment. I'm sure there are more engineers than student actuaries in each graduating class, but very few people want to employ actuaries for their specific skillset or training. It is a lot easier to replace actuaries than engineers, and you don't need as many. The conversation will forever evolve around what actuaries or students can do outside of insurance, pensions, finance, and risk. Well, they may be smart or good with numbers and technical stuff, but who the hell knows what actuarial science is? The market for entry level student actuaries is pretty bad everywhere you go. This is because schools and courses have bloomed in the past couple decades and supply far exceeds demand. It also takes very long for most people to pass the exams so they stay at analyst level quite some time (meaning an even bigger oversupply). Most people (at the entry level) find jobs via luck or connections (though most would hold the qualifications to merit the job). Thank you so much for your advice. Actually, I thought the same, engineering has a broader job market. The number of engineers in each specific fields, for instance civil or electrical, is almost 10 times as many as actuaries.
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BenMO
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Aug 29 2014, 01:28 AM
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Aug 25 2014, 02:21 AM) To you, it seems that Job Security takes priority over any other matter. However, I'd like to explore your perspectives on Mathematics before commenting. Think about the maths you’ve done so far. (1) What do you think Mathematics is? (2) Why is Mathematics important? ( What’s this good for?) (3) How do students go about learning Mathematics more effectively? (4) What is the contribution of Mathematics to your professional working life? Thanks for your comments. I love math. I always scored excellent in math.
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BenMO
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Sep 1 2014, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Aug 28 2014, 02:00 PM) Is it really difficult to get Mechanical Engineering jobs in America? As far as I know, STEM graduates (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics) are among the most sought after. If you are looking for jobs, find someone who’s working in your field and get to know them. Having a contact already at the firm is always better than cold-calling through the job boards. Actuaries are required to have an understanding of the mathematical structure underlying insurance and financial security systems, and thus must have a strong background in discrete mathematics, applied statistics and business. Are you ready?  My areas of interest are calculus, geometry, trigonometry and to some degree linear algebra. To be honest, I'm not hundred percent sure about statistics and probability which actuarial math is mostly all about. Besides, I am not sure about the business and finance sides of it either. I took two econ courses this summer; although I managed to pass them with excellent marks, I did not like them at all. This have made me to think even more if actuarial math would be a good choice for me. In addition to all these, the job market is not as broad as the engineering job market. Am I right?
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