Naive if i must say. Rhetorically it sounds good but the truth remains the same that couple will eventually meet boredom at a certain point of their relationship where most of the time they didn't even realize about it. It also happens in friendship and family. It just that most of us chose not to speak about it or to keep it discreet from each other.

Passion or sparks are not something you can create 24/7 or to create at the moment couple felt bored to each other. It will dwindle away, hence the option to either both to work it out or either to carry it him or herself or to just throw the relationship away, for example. Sometimes, at the lowest point of our life, we tend to only work it out but then its too late sometimes to be apologetic. Not to mention the definition of passion and sparks varied between both men and women. Try gather insights regard to hot sex and how men and women define it. You will shit brix.

We all make mistakes and sometimes it cost the relationship and its suffering out from it. If you said 'nurturing' the relationship to bloom through the old age and to defy the test of time against the love in the relationship, then it's much easy on our ears and mind to accept that notion. But to say 'never', i believe that actually define your experience towards this matter.

The contribution or factors that determine the success of a relationship can only be said and written when we're old enough to actually experience the whole thing through. And btw, you don't handle a relationship. You make it work or nurture it.

This post has been edited by peinsama: May 24 2009, 03:02 PM

in civilization, the word never (refer below bold statement of my statement.)

I've to agree with you to most of the things you wrote except for this part.
In this kind of matter experience would not matter in a relationship. People rather tell their experience of breakups/divorce rather than the moment they savor together. Yes, in relationship we can make it work or nurture, practically it was equal to handling such a relationship. You work to handle one relationship, you nurture to handle such relationship. It is not the experience that counts, it is the knowledge we gain from it. You have bloody sex with a goddamn woman and you still don't know the truth of it even after a bloody decade. What's the point?

Yes, we do make mistakes and the mistakes we made, we pretend to not knowing it and pretend not to know it. Still, foolish enough to make such mistake again and again. Truth is not something we can handle, lies are the wall that kept things intact with each other but never for long. We can't tell the truth because we never approve of the truth that is right in front of our very own eyes. You will know when the truth is told to you, not by time or signs. Even the brightest mind can be called the sickest thought, even the biggest foundation can be called the a weak link. Experience is just a shadow made from wisdom of such man.

Experience is not based on something you seen or done, it is something you learn from after time to time. In this case, the word never actually belongs to the category of uncertainty and the statement of 'nothing is perfect', its not a myth; but a reality create by mankind themselves. Time only matters when we move, not when we stop. If you say 'time' will tell, that 'time' already passes you by every time you wonders. Rhetorically, every step we made in a relationship is a mistake and that mistake will either turn into something good or something bad.

You can't possibly control things without knowing, experience comes from knowledge, not the other way around.

This post has been edited by mrmagic21: May 24 2009, 06:19 PM

Where is commitment? Where is having a common goal? A relationship without a common goal is like a headless chicken.

In the beginning, Adam complained about being too bored serving God. So God put him to sleep, made Eve and gave it to Adam.
From then onwards, Adam was never alone. Why? Because now he has to serve TWO MASTERS.

So don't complain You may just get what you wished for

I can't write eveything..
if u want to add..
give me the details..
i'll post it at the first post with ur name on it
but i'm sure my 'Strengthen Your Resolve' is pretty much the same to commitment except that i don't use the word commitment.
the other word for it or something like that.

This post has been edited by mrmagic21: May 24 2009, 07:55 PM

How about sex, honey? tried that yet? hehehehe

that's already on Passion
coz I respect the CC Code of Conduct.
I wrote it only for adults to understand. If there's no Code of Conduct, I can go all the way from tips and guides to a real live video.
i'll even put that on my reserved for something magical post.. sex is magical

This post has been edited by mrmagic21: May 24 2009, 08:05 PM

It's more than just knowledge that you're getting from any relationship you'd been into before. Relationship is so complex that even knowledge itself does not guarantee any success in the future. For example, what are you going to do with the 'knowledge'? Do we just assume that the opposite of a mistake that we done in the past will guarantee a success in the future? What happened if it doesn't turn out the way it suppose to be?

What i'm proposing through my post is that experience does and could help you to look relationship a different way hence the definition of success of each relationship. It opens up our mind regards to possibilities. If the knowledge is the integral idea or belief, one could actually just read a relationship book and hence practice out from it, true?

But the question still remains whether does it warrant success or failure? This is where experience count and it is certainly more than just knowledge that you're referring to. The gist of experience does not just break into knowledge form which you assume is the tinniest form out if it, if that is what you're trying to say.

Your action, questioning, execution, maturity and willingness to response will determine the outcome of your knowledge you gain from any experience. This is what i know till now where my age leads me. I knew deep down there is more than just knowledge in an experience.



Both person work it out to navigate the relationship to happiness (if happiness is the core to the success of a long lasting relationship and both agree on it) while you nurture the relationship in order to maintain and grow the happiness resulted from the work that you and partner mutually agree upon. Though easier said than done, sometimes love forces either one to carry the burden of carrying the relationship when the other is not or unable to carry the relationship forward. The word 'handle' is more appropriate to use when encountering problems in a relationship.



Which it is what im trying to imply earlier.

Or better said, experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.



Not that i disagree upon this notion or the subject on how you discuss the implication of the word 'never'. But if you knew reality consists of uncertainty and 'nothing-is-perfect' and etc, you should have just never put 'never'. It's simple as pie. It changes the whole meaning of the sentences and it points the shallowness and naivety of your sentences for others to read even though that isn't the actual meaning you're trying to propose in this thread. It changes the whole concept.

Your thread here is to open our mind and not to impress yourself on how 'never' should be implied in your statement or the ideology behind it.



Which, either result will contribute to the experience that we need to either alleviate the problems in the relationship or to strengthen the relationship even better or to utilize in any future relationship or anything else which is able to benefit you be it present or in the future.



Really? I could be uncertain and have absolute no knowledge about something and yet i would still dare myself to do it and fail or get lost in the jungle searching for GPS. You don't buy that? I have absolute zero knowledge about KL environment or what will KL do to me but i still packed my bag and buy me a ticket plane to kl and find a job to start a living. I got the job that i want and i live in a very nice place till now. All comes from an absolute zero knowledge since i don't buy people's word easily about the KL and its surrounding and people.

Isn't it counted as experience after i perform something that i have no idea what it does to me? Some women find it attractive you know.

You don't have to know something to do something. I could as well do something first or dare to fail to know something as long as i have a strong belief that i will reach my goal. Get what im trying to say? Because if you don't, i believe we're going to discuss which one comes first which is either the chicken or the egg which i believe its unnecessary don't you think?

You gain knowledge from experience, how can you gain experience from knowledge? That doesn't make any sense at all. Knowledge is just information, information you do not know the validity of until you actually experience it.

So your knowledge is uncertain until you have the experience to back it up. You can read all the books and information on finding the G-spot, but that won't give you the experience of actually getting it

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Added on May 24, 2009, 10:28 pmI've known that for years my friend . (refer above for the reason)
ah sh*t silverhawk's here (refer spoiler number three for the reason why)

that's kinda the attention i needed from the two CC's best on this matter huh?
This is not gonna attract good viewers

This post has been edited by mrmagic21: May 24 2009, 11:50 PM

I can offer myself for knowledgeable people to seek experience. Plentiful of it. PM me your details and my Agent will arrange for our special rendezvous.

Her agent would be me.

This post has been edited by mrmagic21: May 25 2009, 09:17 PM

Was the guy trying to say that we have no control over the knowledge we gain, and let the knowledge to control back over ourselves ?

Was he trying to advocate that we do not need to learn our mistakes and just let those mistakes re-occur in the relationship(s) ?

Was he trying to suggest that we do not need to keep improving our capability in maintaining a relationship by remembering and learning from past mistakes?

And thus, does that serve a meaning to have and maintain a relationship ?

Great advice...

but dude... you miss out one big important thingy...

MONEY

yes money cant buy you LOVE, but it still can help you in your relation... you still need bread during pak tuo izzit ?

The obvious reason why people still doing it despite it being a sin... cause its fun & exciting.

of coz, if you use money the wrong way still can deter your relationship. So money I think is not the essential to keep a healthy relationship.
You can always get money no matter how much but you can't get relationships much more than money. So, money is not important.

yes, if it's done in the right way.

In before goldfries laughs at this thread.

me and her falls into boredom, she wont cuddle wit me, 1 normal peck a day of relationship. whats this?