the scholarship will all be pass to those who take stpm.. the rest ..earth is full go away..
Number of SPM Subjects to be Limited, What say you?
Number of SPM Subjects to be Limited, What say you?
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May 29 2009, 12:33 AM
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the scholarship will all be pass to those who take stpm.. the rest ..earth is full go away..
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May 29 2009, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE(xavi5567 @ May 29 2009, 12:17 AM) HAIYA.. DONT SHOW A OR NOT A LA.. next time jus show the mark.. if u score 80 also A u score 100 also A.. so wat the diff. abolish this damn system.. nex time ask how many percent u got.. not how many A u got.. easy for JPA to charge who is better tat way.. anyway 10 subject is more than enough.. y take so many anyway.. then u go to stpm u take 4 or 5 subject again? spm is totally overrated. try asking those who score 15a to go take some A level course.. i wanna c how they score.. all spoon fed nowadays.. teacher spot the question, giv student tips to study.. student now study not for the knowledge but jus to get A.. even get A also dont understand as they jus hafal..sien.. LOL, cannot use percentage la..Then Chinese complain I get 80 don't have scholarship, Malay 60 already got. Lagi teruk. Now Chinese 10A, Malay 10A, Chinese cannot complain ma.. 15A is not easy. They do have survival skill to make them score so many of As. As long as the skill is there, they can find a way out on their own. 15As can't be spoon fed la.. Your opinions are right to the point though, about SPM. Spotting questions, tips etc. That's the root of the problem! Added on May 29, 2009, 12:54 am QUOTE(xavi5567 @ May 29 2009, 12:33 AM) Cannot, Malay takes matriculation. STPM then no chance they can get JPA lo..Haih, MALAYsia.. This post has been edited by tanjinjack: May 29 2009, 12:54 AM |
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May 29 2009, 06:51 AM
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as for me, it is not a good step for JPA/MARA/Petronas/<insert scholarship here>/UPU/Matriks to make a better judgement for those who are eligible for the scholarship and Universities.Since these recent years show that 10-12As is a normal achievement for excellent student, the applicants of scholarship will be flooded by those who get 10As.So, the only benchmark that sholars can use is co-curricular activities achievement which I doubt everyone take care about.To make things worst,you will get full marks for co-curricular activities by joining PLKN.Straight to the point,i really think that this is the way the gov want to urges students to go to PLKN.
so 10A1+PLKN = WINRAR well,if only that they know our marks on the As you all got,it will also create little competition.. |
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May 29 2009, 07:01 AM
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Dalam sebuah majlis, seorang usahawan berbangsa Cina yang juga bergelar Tan Sri sedang ditemuramah oleh seorang wartawan. Duduk berdekatannya adalah 2 orang jurutera, anak beranak berketurunan India yang bekerja dengan syarikat Tan Sri tersebut. Berikut adalah perbualan mereka,
Tan Sri: Kerajaan perlu bertindak adil dalam pengagihan kek ekonomi negara. Tidak boleh ada diskriminasi terhadap kaum bukan Melayu. Kontrak antara orang Melayu dan bukan Melayu mesti diberikan sama rata demi keadilan. Lagipun bangsa kami banyak menyumbang kepada kemajuan negara walaupun kami digelar sebagai kaum pendatang. Setelah bersusah payah semenjak sebelum merdeka, maka wajarkah kami dinafikan hak sebagai warganegara. Orang Melayu perlu lebih berkompromi dengan kaum lain untuk maju. Liberalisasi perlu dilaksanakan dengan meluas dalam semua sektor demi mencapai kesamarataan antara kaum. Wartawan: Tan Sri, boleh saya tahu sudah berapa lama 2 orang jurutera ini bekerja dengan Tan Sri? Tan Sri: Oh...sudah lama. Praba ni dah bekerja dengan saya hampir 30 tahun sejak syarikat ni ditubuhkan lagi. Malah anaknya pun sekarang bekerja dengan saya lebih 10 tahun. Mereka ini adalah pekerja saya yang paling berdedikasi dan banyak menyumbang kepada kemajuan syarikat. Wartawan: Kalau begitu, apa kata Tan Sri berikan sebahagian saham syarikat ni kepada mereka berdua. Lagipun mereka sudah lama bekerja dengan Tan Sri, malah banyak menyumbang kepada syarikat sepertimana kata Tan Sri tadi. Tan Sri: Eh..mana boleh! Ini syarikat saya. Lagipun saya dah bayar gaji yang mahal kepada mereka berdua dan saya tak pernah halang pun jika mereka nak kumpul harta. Mana boleh senang-senang saya nak bagi saham syarikat saya pada mereka. Wartawan: Macam tu jugalah perasaan Melayu. Tanah ini asalnya milik orang Melayu. Milik raja-raja Melayu. Lepas tu orang bukan Melayu macam Tan Sri pulak nak mintak hak sama rata dengan alasan kerana telah banyak menyumbang. Tan Sri rasa wajar atau tidak permintaan tu? Tan Sri: ............ ......... ......... ......... ........ Kisah di atas merupakan sedutan daripada kisah benar yang berlaku dalam sebuah majlis perasmian kilang di Gemas, Negeri Sembilan. Pendapat anda? /// This post has been edited by hanissyazwan: May 29 2009, 07:29 AM |
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May 29 2009, 07:43 AM
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QUOTE(apsidewatch @ May 29 2009, 06:51 AM) as for me, it is not a good step for JPA/MARA/Petronas/<insert scholarship here>/UPU/Matriks to make a better judgement for those who are eligible for the scholarship and Universities.Since these recent years show that 10-12As is a normal achievement for excellent student, the applicants of scholarship will be flooded by those who get 10As.So, the only benchmark that sholars can use is co-curricular activities achievement which I doubt everyone take care about.To make things worst,you will get full marks for co-curricular activities by joining PLKN.Straight to the point,i really think that this is the way the gov want to urges students to go to PLKN. apsidewatch: In my year, the only girl that got into Harvard 'only managed' 8A1s (iirc), and this was relatively recent (after the 15/16A1 girl). I'm using the appeal to authority argument here, but yeah Harvard should know whether a particular student is brilliant or not shouldn't they? The number of A1s should not be a differentiating factor because it makes no sense to measure how good someone if the subjects he/she takes up is completely unrelated to the intended degree.so 10A1+PLKN = WINRAR well,if only that they know our marks on the As you all got,it will also create little competition.. hanissyazwan: Siapakah orang Melayu? Adakah aku orang Melayu? Kad Pengenalan aku menyatakan aku orang Cina. Rupa saya juga macam orang Cina. Tetapi aku bukan seratus peratus orang Cina. Nenek moyangku orang Baba, dan aku pasti bahawa nenek moyangku pun ada orang Melayu. Sepupu aku orang Melayu kerana mak cik aku mengahwini orang Melayu. Aku tidak tahu bercakap dalam bahasa Mandarin. Masa aku kecil, aku selalu bermain dengan sepupu Melayu aku, dan aku tidak pernah memikir sepupu aku sebagai orang asing kerana kami telah diberi label bangsa yang berbeza. Inilah soalan aku: Adakah aku lebih Melayu atau lebih Cina, atau, adakah dia lebih Cina atau lebih Melayu? [sorry for the lousy BM, I haven't used it in ages] This post has been edited by bgeh: May 29 2009, 07:47 AM |
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May 29 2009, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(bgeh @ May 29 2009, 07:43 AM) apsidewatch: In my year, the only girl that got into Harvard 'only managed' 8A1s (iirc), and this was relatively recent (after the 15/16A1 girl). I'm using the appeal to authority argument here, but yeah Harvard should know whether a particular student is brilliant or not shouldn't they? The number of A1s should not be a differentiating factor because it makes no sense to measure how good someone if the subjects he/she takes up is completely unrelated to the intended degree. well of course the subject should be related to the courses that you applied...hanissyazwan: Siapakah orang Melayu? Adakah aku orang Melayu? Kad Pengenalan aku menyatakan aku orang Cina. Rupa saya juga macam orang Cina. Tetapi aku bukan seratus peratus orang Cina. Nenek moyangku orang Baba, dan aku pasti bahawa nenek moyangku pun ada orang Melayu. Sepupu aku orang Melayu kerana mak cik aku mengahwini orang Melayu. Aku tidak tahu bercakap dalam bahasa Mandarin. Masa aku kecil, aku selalu bermain dengan sepupu Melayu aku, dan aku tidak pernah memikir sepupu aku sebagai orang asing kerana kami telah diberi label bangsa yang berbeza. Inilah soalan aku: Adakah aku lebih Melayu atau lebih Cina, atau, adakah dia lebih Cina atau lebih Melayu? [sorry for the lousy BM, I haven't used it in ages] |
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May 29 2009, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(apsidewatch @ May 29 2009, 10:27 AM) Then does it invalidate the 11A-12A argument then? Because that would mean that (assuming that only at most a few subjects are related at all to the intended degree - probably true for many cases) the number of As mean nothing unless it was done in the context of the relevant subjects alone.Heck I find it even troubling that SPM's used as a benchmark for JPA allocation of scholarships. It should be the pre-u ones, because that'll force the student to specialise, and that'll make it so much easier for the JPA to discriminate truly excellent students in that field (assumptions: same entrance exam or of similar difficulty, which we lack right now) and we won't have this rush for bloody As in SPM which won't lead to this SPM 'A' inflation. |
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May 29 2009, 11:27 AM
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Technically If you are truly excelled in SPM why bother with JPA, i think you can easily secure a private scholarship. I never applied for Govt linked scholarship since they are not majorly based on meritocracy but on quota of....... I got a private scholarship in oversea which is must easier than applying for matriks here.
To get scholarship the most important is the interview itself like when applying for job too. If your communication skill is not up to par then don't think of getting one no matter how well you performed in exam. Anyhow life itself is not fair, once you grasp the principle life should be easier to dealt with. |
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May 29 2009, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ May 29 2009, 11:27 AM) Technically If you are truly excelled in SPM why bother with JPA, i think you can easily secure a private scholarship. I never applied for Govt linked scholarship since they are not majorly based on meritocracy but on quota of....... I got a private scholarship in oversea which is must easier than applying for matriks here. But the ratio of weightage between academic result and JPA interview performance is not going to improve too much of your chances despite how well you do in your interview.To get scholarship the most important is the interview itself like when applying for job too. If your communication skill is not up to par then don't think of getting one no matter how well you performed in exam. Anyhow life itself is not fair, once you grasp the principle life should be easier to dealt with. Added on May 29, 2009, 12:32 pm » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I doubt how true this is. I don't believe the Tan Sri is that stupid where I can come up with refutation while he can't. The problem is, the Praba and sons are satisfied with what the Tan Sri gave him. This can be shown by the decision of Praba sending his children to the company. I believe it's not that tough for Praba's son to get a job elsewhere. In real case, Chinese have been sending their children out from the country, not wanting them to stay in Malaysia. Those who did not do it, probably do not have the budget for it. Praba is treated well by company. He receives pays and welfare. I also think that he doesn't receive discrimination despite a Chinese company. In real life, most Chinese companies practise a rather oriental management where most of the important posts are held by close relatives, or very close friends. But certainly, Malay don't see the way to Chinese like how the Tan Sri sees Praba. That is a BAD analogy you make. This post has been edited by tanjinjack: May 29 2009, 12:32 PM |
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May 29 2009, 01:24 PM
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at least if they appreciate Us for our hard work then its fine.
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May 29 2009, 01:36 PM
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Nowadays, getting As' are easy job.
But the steps that goverment done is pretty fair enough. Cap it at 10 subjects. The reason why is that when there are too many students scoring 16A's by taking 16 subjects, does it mean all the scholarship will need to allocate to them. How about those that score 10As' by taking 10 subjects. The world is round & scoring 16As' nowdays does not guarantee you a place for schloarship but scoring 10As' during 90s' when you took 10 subjects, you will definitely be the spotlight of the country. Hahha...accpet the faith la...nothing can be change. If you want o learn more, do self study la. |
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May 29 2009, 01:39 PM
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its not really fair if u think of it.
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May 29 2009, 02:16 PM
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nice. limited.
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May 29 2009, 02:37 PM
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To be frank, during my time in the 90's, to get 9A1 or 10A1 is considered fantastic.
Now SPM doesn't seem to carry much weight. I think best to have every uni implement a special "University Extrance Exam". That way, we can have a good gauge of the student's capability. |
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May 29 2009, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE(tanjinjack @ May 21 2009, 11:27 PM) If everyone is limited to 10 subjects let say, there will be no those super excellent 16A1, 18A1 students. Then they can be rest assured that those kind of students cannot make noise even if they are of that materials. In the end, we might see that more Malays where they usually take less subjects get the scholarship, in a more nice manner, because the Chinese just got the same A1s with them. I thought there is a quota already no matter who gets what the percentage will be the same? |
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May 29 2009, 03:16 PM
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like i said, getting 12-13A is a simple job for students nowdays, yet 10A1 should be nothing for them.when u got 10A1,your pointer will be fully 90% for curricular.and if u take PLKN,it is another 10% hence 100% points.
so the only benchmark that they could use is the interview. |
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QUOTE(tanjinjack @ May 21 2009, 11:27 PM) I saw the news just now, and feel to seek opinions of fellow forumers here about the issue. sorry, i m not agree with you.I think they limited the subject is a right move.But the issue here is still the grading system..from what i saw the news yestesterday,the change it from A1,A2 to A+,A,A- grade.it is irrevalent if they still maintain Lousy grade how to decide who get pass and excellent.It's said to ensure a more uniform and fair distribution for JPA scholarship, number of subjects to be taken in SPM are to be limited. Personally, I feel that this is not an effective measure to meet their goal, but instead, a measure to allow them avoid some problems that arise this year. If everyone is limited to 10 subjects let say, there will be no those super excellent 16A1, 18A1 students. Then they can be rest assured that those kind of students cannot make noise even if they are of that materials. In the end, we might see that more Malays where they usually take less subjects get the scholarship, in a more nice manner, because the Chinese just got the same A1s with them. And I feel that there is no way that students should get limited in pursuing knowledge. Okay, you may argue that no exam also can self study what. But just self study can't tell you how good are you in that specific knowledge. If you are interested in Accounts, surely you wish to get judged externally about your skill in the knowledge you are interested in. Furthermore, with an exam ahead, it ensures that candidates will determinedly study well for it. If now we all are limited in taking the subjects, then we can't explore more knowledge. Is that what we should be doing as a student? NO! I really that this is a way that the government wants to do to make non-Bumi to get scholarships as they would slice off the advantages of Chinese who usually take more subjects, and hence a more beautiful result. This way won't work. It's even better that you have a stricter marking system, or perhaps introducing the tedious Ranking system like what done for the Year 12 in Australia. That would ensure who is better, who is not, who is more fit to get the scholarship and who is unfit, as long as the really excellent students can stand out. Why i agree they limit the subject taken,after i came oversea,i realised that malaysian student (generally) lack of critical thinking...seriously.. I will agree with the current move if and only if 1)limited subject taken,but make the syllabus more harder and grading system is more strict. a)i dont understand why primary school maths still in the syllabus of Form 1 and Form 2. b)such as make the add maths look like real add maths instead of like made student memorise those formula illogically. c)i can tell u the current syllabus for physics,chemistry is like shit when compare to other country. d)english education...enuff said..i m of the failure product our english education system.LOL e)our F1-F3 science especially after the changing of syllabus (from malay ->english)..is like....haha joke of heaven.pls at least maintain the level and at the same time changing the language. 2)Remove all RUBBISH subject such as MORALE, EST, blablabla <--- TELL ME HOW THESE RUBBISH HELP UR FUTURE? If the above problem is still exist,so tell me what is the diffrence of the changing of the policy like limiting the taken subject????? haha..but the way the teacher also need to improve and the way SPM examine student is totally like shit. a lot more...if i list down can write until few pages. so regarding the JPA...if their intention is to limit the subject taken + not changing our lousy syllabus =>give more scholarship to bumi? if really so this country (little hope-->totally hopeless!) yea~ This post has been edited by foofoosasa: May 29 2009, 04:12 PM |
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May 29 2009, 05:37 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « LOL, ya lo. That's why. The system needs a change, and the change is not just introducing 1 extra grading for A (ie, from A1 A2 to A+ A A-) and limiting the subjects to be taken. More steps are to be taken, including what talked about several times here, push up the graph, higher up the standard, or even fix the marks for getting an A. Yes, our syllabus is quite shit because we are not introduced thoroughly for a lot of fundamental knowledge. Plus, the way they write the textbook and reference book do not grant full understanding without further study, which is quite hard for secondary school students due to lack of resources. Well, I do benefit from the Malay to English change and I support this move. But it's me, and probably my school, because we had teachers who first learned the subjects in English (the old old teachers) and are more than happy to actually teach in English. If it wasn't the change, my English wouldn't be so good now (although it's still bad.). Moral Studies need a change in syllabus, entirely. More philosophical thingy should be introduced, making students to think critically. This way, we produce students with moral thoughts. If remained, the subject name can be changed to 'Memorising Practice' which fit in more appropriate. I see the change of emphasis of reasonings and results for History in syllabus but I do not see the teachers (at least in my school) are radical enough to introduce us critical thinking as well for History. Sarcastically, there's a quote something like 'History is taught not to be repeated' appearing very often in the textbook. Stupid move by the government, where they usually pick the easiest instead of the most effective one. Singaporeans perhaps are laughing that they actually abandon Malaya. This post has been edited by tanjinjack: May 29 2009, 05:38 PM |
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May 29 2009, 06:12 PM
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singaporeans are probably god damn happy.
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QUOTE(tanjinjack @ May 29 2009, 05:37 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « LOL, ya lo. That's why. The system needs a change, and the change is not just introducing 1 extra grading for A (ie, from A1 A2 to A+ A A-) and limiting the subjects to be taken. More steps are to be taken, including what talked about several times here, push up the graph, higher up the standard, or even fix the marks for getting an A. Yes, our syllabus is quite shit because we are not introduced thoroughly for a lot of fundamental knowledge. Plus, the way they write the textbook and reference book do not grant full understanding without further study, which is quite hard for secondary school students due to lack of resources. Well, I do benefit from the Malay to English change and I support this move. But it's me, and probably my school, because we had teachers who first learned the subjects in English (the old old teachers) and are more than happy to actually teach in English. If it wasn't the change, my English wouldn't be so good now (although it's still bad.). Moral Studies need a change in syllabus, entirely. More philosophical thingy should be introduced, making students to think critically. This way, we produce students with moral thoughts. If remained, the subject name can be changed to 'Memorising Practice' which fit in more appropriate. I see the change of emphasis of reasonings and results for History in syllabus but I do not see the teachers (at least in my school) are radical enough to introduce us critical thinking as well for History. Sarcastically, there's a quote something like 'History is taught not to be repeated' appearing very often in the textbook. Stupid move by the government, where they usually pick the easiest instead of the most effective one. Singaporeans perhaps are laughing that they actually abandon Malaya. In my opinion,Morale ,EST should be removed from entire syllabus,they should restrict it with only 6-8 subject. it is like if you are science student,only take malay,english,physics,bio,chemistry ,maths,+1 /2 elective as u like. , there is no point like reduce the A1 mark to 70++(still the syllabus is sux!) honestly,do you all think it is better to implement 6-8 subject but syllabus much more harder but same burden with 10-12 subject?? in addition,made the A+ like only for 95mark++. If they want distribute more to bumi student,they can just give loose requirement like all bumi student need to take all subject in A-(85++),there is no need to pull down ALL the syllabus to make everyone get worse education. E.g Tell you wat,wat i learnt in SPM Physics it is like Form4 in hong kong and china and international school. because they only take 4-6 subject mainly focus on what they like in high school. And 1 thing wat i hate the system is like, e.g why the student who take add maths...still take maths???is it to let student to get more A and artifically made MALAYSIA EDUCATION IMPROVE??? what i suggest is to diffrentiate the maths level to 3 level, basic (art student),Fundemtal(commerce),Add maths ( science) honestly our add maths is like fundamental maths in many of the other country... do you all know our maths is like wat???--->like pattern -->do more, get used the pattern-->get 100% ditto for other subject i mention increase their level too. If like this,i 100% can sure no scholarship distribution problem exist.and i am sure student who can get full A+ according to the system i suggest,will less at least half of the present number. My main point here is to point out Quality is the most important,nt quantity This post has been edited by foofoosasa: May 29 2009, 06:29 PM |
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