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post Jul 7 2009, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(onionknight @ Jul 7 2009, 11:21 PM)
I admit most of 1st class students doesn't really enjoy the success they have in U when they go in working world.
The reason is bcause of their 1st class degree, they think they r smarter than everybody else n nobody can beat them in anything. This also makes them ignorant & refuse 2 listen 2 other opinions n advice. 70% of them r like this which makes them having a hard time in work.
However there r also 1st class student that excel in both studies n work....... some of them r my high school classmates.
however the ratios is like 7:3
7:3 seems rather high. But then again, anecdotal evidence rarely sits on the fence.

Tell me... what's your ratio of 3rd class or pass degree holders who enjoy more success at work than they did in Uni? (ie. they go from mediocre to top performers).

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QUOTE(onionknight @ Jul 8 2009, 12:32 AM)
Btw i nvr mention 3rd class students hv higher chances 2 succeed.
If u read carefully wat i wrote, i only mention d situation of 1st class students.
I did read carefully, which is why I asked the question. I thought if you had an opinion on how bad 1st class people were, there was a good chance that you'd have an opinion on the 3rd class too. But like you said, you don't know. Fair enough.

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Pls do not jump 2 conclusions when criticizing others opinions
Like I said, I simply asked a question. If you felt it sounded like criticism because I didn't put a smilie or something, I can't help it.

So, same to you. Don't jump to conclusions that I'm criticising you.

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QUOTE(zenwell @ Jul 8 2009, 09:42 AM)
what's the salary range in SG for an accounts exec with degree + 5yrs experience (mostly in manaufacturing & trading line), and experienced in admin and HR field as well.
accounts exec as in managing customer/sales accounts (ie. you do sales) or as in doing accounting (ie. dr & cr)?

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QUOTE(onionknight @ Jul 8 2009, 09:59 AM)
I just feel I hv been critisized, I can't help d way I feel. Ur way of asking q definitely sounded like a criticism more than asking a question.
Nothing I can do about how you see things.

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I believe u already know d answer of ur own question
Listen, first you accuse me of jumping to conclusions - now you put words in my mouth. Thank you doing all my thinking on my behalf. If it's an argument you want, it's an argument you'll get.

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And I didn't give a shit also also.
Then why respond? Don't waste our time.

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QUOTE(onionknight @ Jul 8 2009, 11:22 AM)
Yeah, so that is why I am voicing out how I feel. I believe there is ntg wrg wif that, am I? correct if I am wrg.

It's a free country anyway. I hv a right 2 comment in any forums. EVen when ppl feel lousy about something that's doesn't keep them from voicing out their opinion.

Yeah , that is y I am arguing. Like u said, , If it's an argument you want, it's an argument you'll get.
Again, try not to put words into my mouth. I said why respond when you're just wasting everybody's time. I did not say you can't respond or can't attempt to waste time.

But yes, nothing wrong with saying what you feel. So, great... go ahead, 'voice out' more about how you don't give a shit about what you supposed to be arguing about. But as far I'm concerned, it's not an argument at all. You have to have some substance to put arguments together, and that substance is not shit.


Added on July 8, 2009, 11:46 am
QUOTE(zenwell @ Jul 8 2009, 10:04 AM)
as in doing accounting smile.gif
5 years experience... assuming you have a degree and can handle a full set of accounts - will probably range from 3K in a small company (1 or 2 person acctg dept) to 6K in a MNC (if you're an above average performer).

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QUOTE(onionknight @ Jul 8 2009, 12:03 PM)
If my opinion is a waste of time , u can choose 2 ignore it. Aren't u wasting ur time by commenting on comments that u think that r a waste of time?

Pls quote n explain which of my sentence is waste of time. U need proof if u think that way

I believe I have the right not to bother with it as I did not fall in 1st or 3rd class. Still that doesn't mean I can't comment on it

I didn't put words in ur mouth.U said it urself this line (Listen, first you accuse me of jumping to conclusions - now you put words in my mouth. Thank you doing all my thinking on my behalf. If it's an argument you want, it's an argument you'll get.)

So do not put words my mouth also
Tell you what... post whatever you feel like posting. Knock yourself out.

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QUOTE(onionknight @ Jul 8 2009, 01:23 PM)
I will if I feel I wan to ( it's a free country ) & I don't simply bash or insult ppl's comment just bcause I think I am so smart or wateva
( typical 1st class student, worst if the person is not even a 1st class)
Personal attacks... nice. Good reflection of your calibre.

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QUOTE(zenwell @ Jul 8 2009, 04:00 PM)
har, 5yrs exp with degree can get 3k only in small co? what if i apply for snr exec position or asst manager? but 6k in MNC is ok biggrin.gif
In a small company, exec = manager = director = CFO. Most accountants in small companies are 1 leg kick. This would be the low end. You'd be competing with a lot of very experienced book keepers who are quite happy with that pay.

MNC, 6K I would say is top end. Your 5 years experience will probably need to be Big4 or regional experience with a Fortune 500 company.

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QUOTE(zenwell @ Jul 8 2009, 05:36 PM)
am considering whether i want to go Sg next year or not. Cos rite now still thinking of other possibilities. my company wants to offer me to go to Shanghai. but haven't mention bout the package yet. But I don't think i want to go so far leh  rclxub.gif
My company is the same. Long term objective to consolidate into Shanghai.

As far as packages go, expat is fine (ie. international pay, not Chinese pay and tax equalisation). If it's on local pay, then it's a 2 step promotion before it equals current Singapore pay. And even after the promotion, you're still subject to the ridiculously high China income tax rate. So personally, it's a no-go if it's not expat or they don't include tax equalisation with the promotion.

If it parallel move, no need to even think.

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QUOTE(zenwell @ Jul 8 2009, 08:57 PM)
although my company's asia pacific regional office is in SG, and my boss also got consider moving me to regional office, but i don't think i will comfortable sitting with all the big boss  sweat.gif even if i decide to work in SG, i'll probably find another job. unless my company give me place to stay and offer attractive package. I'm thinking to work else where after i finish my part-time degree end of this yr. Want to save more in shorter time  biggrin.gif
Oh, you're still doing your degree part time... then there could be significant variation in the offers you'll get, as a significant % of employers will view your work experience as PRE-graduation experience, rather than post-graduation.

I was thinking that you had already graduated for 5 years.

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QUOTE(zenwell @ Jul 9 2009, 06:22 PM)
Har?! have to review like that?! tsk tsk tsk.. teruk lah macam nih! But anyway the pay I'm getting now is more or less the market rate for grads with same amount of exprience also. Does all employer in SG must look at your qualification and not your exp only? some co in Malaysia don't even look at qualification. unless you are fresh grad. when i came for interview in my current co, my 'kwai lo' boss din even ask bout my qualification  blink.gif  i think he don't know that i'm still doing part-time.
Try your luck, I guess.

If you look at most mid-level or relatively senior accounting job ads, they specify the number of years experience post graduation or post professional qualification.
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QUOTE(Cho_Hakkai @ Jul 14 2009, 01:10 PM)
May I know, being a fresh graduate, is it ok to temporary apply for retail job with the salary of S$1,200 while looking for a better job instead of just looking for a fresh graduate job.
What do you mean by "is it ok"?

I mean... what are your alternatives?

1 - don't work while looking for grad job ie. zero income
2 - do temp job while looking for grad job ie. $1200
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QUOTE(Cho_Hakkai @ Jul 15 2009, 10:38 AM)
Does choosing alternative (2.) will affect the chance of getting EP or not? That temp job is also in Singapore means getting a work permit for a fresh grad.
Hmm... no idea. Sorry.

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QUOTE(jimmy79 @ Jul 17 2009, 09:55 AM)
Usually i remmit money from SGD to MY. However, this time I need to do remiitance from MY to SGD, anyone got any idea how we can do this in msia especially melaka since i seldom see remittance service in msia?  If possible i would like to avoid bank as the rate normally is lower.
Maybank2u has the rate below for TT today to Mbb Mys.

Telegraphic Transfer Exchange Rate (Indicative) to Maybank Malaysia
Malaysian Ringgit Malaysian Ringgit 2.4260

The service charge is 0.125% or minimum S$20 (max S$100).

I think this is pretty good and fairly cheap to move 10K, 20K back home.

I haven't looked at the Maybank2u on the Malaysian side, but the mechanism and rates should be quite similar. You just need to have Maybank accounts in both countries.

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QUOTE(ecVk @ Jul 18 2009, 07:30 PM)
Hows the working life in Singapore like?
Not bad.


Added on July 18, 2009, 11:16 pm
QUOTE(easy5281 @ Jul 18 2009, 09:55 PM)
anyone here driving own car in singapore?
which one better either bring my malaysian car here or buy new/used singapore car?
Singapore citizens, PRs and EP/WP holders must drive Singapore cars in Singapore. They are not allowed to drive non-Sg cars.

All foreign cars pay S$20 a day.


Added on July 18, 2009, 11:21 pm
QUOTE(animob_16 @ Jul 18 2009, 10:15 PM)
I just want to ask u all about the internship in SG. where can I find the job opportunities? for 6months internship
Beats me. I don't think any companies advertise they want interns. You just have to open the Yellow Pages and call or write in. Doesn't your bf's university have any leads?

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and the starting date for internship is from MAY 2010 until OCT 2010, how u guys will suggest me when can I start to find the company?
From now until 30 April 2010 should be ok.

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not 4get to tel, actually is my bf who wants to find an internship, after internship he will work here as well.
Not his choice. He may want to work here but it depends entirely on whether someone wants to employ him. The employer must sponsor him for EP/WP.

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QUOTE(chess_gal @ Jul 19 2009, 03:42 AM)
Anyone own an f&b business in singapore? Currently am trying to get a food license for a snack bar. BUT that place am leasing doesnt have any water supply hence I can only sell ready made food, but I might be getting frozen pastry and reheat it at the cafe. So, not sure if the gov would approve my license since i have no water supply.
Without running water, definitely cannot have kitchen or food prep facilities. That's for sure.

For ready made food, I think it depends on the packaging. If it's individually sealed when it goes to the customer eg. bus stop newspaper & snacks stall or kiosk, I think it's okay. But if you need to unpack to serve (reheat etc), you will be using utensils and the staff or customer will be handling the food and equipment. That might require running water.

I think it's not just biz licence (not sure if it's central or local govt licence). You need NEA as well if you're handling food.

Anyway, I think you should just walk up to the store manager at your favourite Starbucks or Coffee Bean or Breadtalk during a slow period and ask them.

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Not all 7-11s sell the full range. The bigger ones have a back-of-the-house with running water and drainage. Anyway, you'd probably want more feedback from those actually doing this biz.
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Don't you think that your words are quite harsh? sorry, no offense. maybe it's just my point of view or I'm a newbie at this discussion board, so I still cannot get used the way u replied.
Mind highlighting exactly which words?
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QUOTE(easy5281 @ Jul 19 2009, 06:44 PM)
thanks for info buddy.
EP holders must drive Sg car? r u really sure about this?
Yup. Did my research before coming here.

The only loophole is if you return to Malaysia each day and therefore do not have a home in Sg.

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Singapore citizens, permanent residents (regardless of their place of residence), student pass holders, long term social visit pass holder and residents of Singapore are NOT allowed to use or keep any foreign-registered vehicles in Singapore.

WORK PASSES

Any work pass holder, who is neither a Singapore Permanent Resident (SPR) nor a resident of Singapore, may drive a foreign-registered car and motorcycle in Singapore only if ALL these conditions are met:
a) he is the registered owner of the vehicle ;
b) he does not have a permanent residential address in Singapore and returns to his country of origin on a daily basis;
c) the vehicle is kept or used outside Singapore for a total period of 6 hours or more everyday ;
d) he has a valid insurance certificate and road tax for the use of the vehicle on Singapore roads ; and
e) the vehicle has an Autopass Card to validate its entry/exit at Woodlands and Tuas checkpoints and for payment of Vehicle Entry Permit/Toll charges.

Please note that a work pass holder who is also a SPR or resident of Singapore is not allowed to drive a foreign-registered vehicle in Singapore.

LTA One Motoring
If you have an address in Singapore, you're a resident.

If you wanna research new car prices and look at classifieds for used cars, I like sgcarmart.com.

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QUOTE(dokidoki @ Jul 19 2009, 08:33 PM)
haha.. i am in IT too (but not in programming) tongue.gif nvmz...i dun dare to ask too much..sure the s'poore boss will say that the 3.5* 2.4 thing..haha
Suit yourself. But that '3.5*2.4 thing', it's irrelevant. Otherwise, Malaysian graduates will be working in UK for 500 pounds or in the US for USD1000 a month. Indoensians will be working for half that. Honestly, you shouldn't accept that argument at all. But then again... to refuse, you must first be offered. Perhaps the Chinese saying, ride a cow to look for a horse, is advantageous at first.


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