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Erny_Looi
post Jun 26 2009, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 26 2009, 03:57 PM)
Hi Erny,

I happened to visit a granite factory and saw that their prices are much lower than what you posted. Example: the popular black galaxy is about RM45 psf. Of course this doesn't include the bullnosing or edge polishing or opening hole for the sink/hob - but these are not too expensive. Your figure of RM170 psf seems too high.
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Bro,

Not rm170 psf, is rm170 pfr ..so equal to rm85 psf. (I think i misundertood what my brother told me last time, did I tell u psf or pfr?)
Cabinet factory need to manufacture the granite like polish, make hole, edge finishing, and transport, install....
rm85 psf.

Granite factory offer rm45 psf...very easy, just cut the size u wan. How much do u think u need to employ ppl to do manufacture the granite like polish, make hole, edge finishing, and transport, install....

U should compare the price within cabinet factory or showroom. then u wil know the final price.

If later someone ask me granite at mountain there is free of charge, why cabinet factory sell rm85 psf..then I really don't know how to answer. Haha! rclxub.gif (just kidding, don't angry~ sweat.gif )

Anyway, have a nice day!

This post has been edited by Erny_Looi: Jun 26 2009, 04:23 PM
jchong
post Jun 26 2009, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 18 2009, 01:11 PM)
Ya lo, rm20 psf tiling workmanship if u employ chinese worker. For indonesian is cheaper. But not everyone prefer indonesian's work. tongue.gif
I also asked about this and RM20 psf tiling workmanship, even for Chinese, is high.

Looks like your brother is making good profit margin. tongue.gif
Erny_Looi
post Jun 26 2009, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 26 2009, 04:21 PM)
I also asked about this and RM20 psf tiling workmanship, even for Chinese, is high.

Looks like your brother is making good profit margin.  tongue.gif
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My brother is not tiles man...and he did not do the tiling work, that is the price I asked when I renovate my house...
If you know any tiles worker provide good service and cheap price, can share with our frens here.
Any1 here interested can PM jchong and ask for the contact. smile.gif



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jchong
post Jun 26 2009, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 26 2009, 04:14 PM)
Bro,

Not rm170 psf, is rm170 pfr ..so equal to rm85 psf.  (I think i misundertood what my brother told me last time, did I tell u psf or pfr?)
Cabinet factory need to manufacture the granite like polish, make hole, edge finishing, and transport, install....
rm85 psf.

Granite factory offer rm45 psf...very easy, just cut the size u wan. How much do u think u need to employ ppl to do manufacture the granite like polish, make hole, edge finishing, and transport, install....

U should compare the price within cabinet factory or showroom. then u wil know the final price.

If later someone ask me granite at mountain there is free of charge, why cabinet factory sell rm85 psf..then I really don't know how to answer. Haha!  rclxub.gif  (just kidding, don't angry~ sweat.gif )

Anyway, have a nice day!
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The price you mentioned was for 1 ft x 1ft, so it's psf. If you now say it is pfr then better la smile.gif

The RM45 I mentioned is already polished. The extra labour for edge finishing and making hole is not much more. Transport and install... depends on how much you're making some places will deliver and install FOC.

The reason I'm comparing to your price of RM170 is because you said this is "Price direct from factory". I know price from showroom is even higher because have to add their profit margin also.

I have also had my house renovated before and during that time did my research on suppliers and prices. Since you are advertising your brother's ID services here (good idea) I just wanted the forummers to be more informed about the prices. I think all forummers want to be sure they are getting good prices.


Added on June 26, 2009, 4:48 pm
QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 26 2009, 04:28 PM)
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My brother is not tiles man...and he did not do the tiling work, that is the price I asked when I renovate my house...
If you know any tiles worker provide good service and cheap price, can share with our frens here.
Any1 here interested can PM jchong and ask for the contact.  smile.gif
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I know your brother is not a tiling man. He is the ID and he will co-ordinate the work and sub-contract out to specialised trades like tiling, electrician, carpentry, etc. He will pay the tiler one rate and charge the customer another rate. Again this is normal and that's how he earns his profit margin. Just wanna ensure he charges fairly that's all.

This post has been edited by jchong: Jun 26 2009, 04:53 PM
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post Jun 26 2009, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Hypro @ Jun 26 2009, 04:12 PM)
blink.gif  blink.gif Jchong, which place do you visit? I am interesting on it. is very good bargain, rather than do a cement tiles at the wet kitchen
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I cannot remember the name now, but it is past the old Subang Airport. There are a few marble and granite suppliers there.
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post Jun 26 2009, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(n73me @ Jun 17 2009, 10:19 AM)
around how much is these 10 inch x 8 inch per piece ?
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I think 10" x 8" wall tiles only RM1+ something per pc (for the plain color, normal grade). Those with special designs or colour will cost more.

But I suggest taking bigger so there are fewer groove lines. You can check with the various tile manufacturers like Kimgres, MML, Whitehorse, Guocera, etc.
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o...okok.

Actualy if u wana know his price and service, i can pm u the forum address, then u will know his quality.
potong ppl is the worst thing in business field, he won't do that, don't worry. brows.gif


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post Jun 26 2009, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 26 2009, 04:14 PM)
If later someone ask me granite at mountain there is free of charge, why cabinet factory sell rm85 psf..then I really don't know how to answer. Haha!  rclxub.gif  (just kidding, don't angry~ sweat.gif )
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I don't think anybody would ask such a stupid question. And even if they did I'm sure you know how to answer... smile.gif
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post Jun 26 2009, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 26 2009, 04:57 PM)
I think 10" x 8" wall tiles only RM1+ something per pc (for the plain color, normal grade). Those with special designs or colour will cost more.

But I suggest taking bigger so there are fewer groove lines. You can check with the various tile manufacturers like Kimgres, MML, Whitehorse, Guocera, etc.
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Only rm1+ per pc?? serious? The brand is whitehorse? Or like those we see in toilet mamak (white and thin). biggrin.gif

If whitehorse then really can recommand all to order there.

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post Jun 26 2009, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 26 2009, 05:01 PM)
Only rm1+ per pc?? serious? The brand is whitehorse? Or like those we see in toilet mamak (white and thin).  biggrin.gif

If whitehorse then really can recommand all to order there.
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I think the brand is Kimgres. Like I said this is for plain colour (generally white, beige), normal grade. This is the basic tile.
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post Jun 26 2009, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 26 2009, 04:52 PM)
I cannot remember the name now, but it is past the old Subang Airport. There are a few marble and granite suppliers there.
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I think the place u mention is around Sg. Buloh if I am not misstaken

Can't imagine Kimgress tile is so cheap, although it is basic but still consider cheap

By the way, Jchong, can you PM me the contact number of the granite factory?

Thanks

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post Jun 26 2009, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(Hypro @ Jun 26 2009, 05:34 PM)
I think the place u mention is around Sg. Buloh if I am not misstaken

Can't imagine Kimgress tile is so cheap, although it is basic but still consider cheap

By the way, Jchong, can you PM me the contact number of the granite factory?

Thanks
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The place is called Kampung Melayu Subang. U can check it out on Google Maps. But yes in Sg Buloh also got 1 or 2 places. I visited 3-4 different places (many of them by the road side) but I don't have their tel numbers any more.

As for the Kimgres tile, I'll check on the price I paid for them later. My documents are in the office.

Update: checked on the tiles price, Kimgres code A82S020 (200x300mm or about 8"x12"). Price each is RM1.30. But I recall this was special price during stock clearance.

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any other reasonable contractors for kitchen cabinets?
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post Jul 2 2009, 04:01 PM

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I'm also looking for kitchen cabinet contractors.
Received 2 quotes fm contractor so far but looking for more before finalising.
However for my wet kitchen, I plan to do glass instead of melamine as I dont like the melamine feels.
Is this the right choice?
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post Jul 2 2009, 05:02 PM

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PM u d...
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i am also looking for one please recommend ...
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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 26 2009, 04:14 PM)

If later someone ask me granite at mountain there is free of charge, why cabinet factory sell rm85 psf..then I really don't know how to answer. Haha!  rclxub.gif  (just kidding, don't angry~ sweat.gif )

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 26 2009, 06:39 PM)
The place is called Kampung Melayu Subang. U can check it out on Google Maps. But yes in Sg Buloh also got 1 or 2 places. I visited 3-4 different places (many of them by the road side) but I don't have their tel numbers any more.

As for the Kimgres tile, I'll check on the price I paid for them later. My documents are in the office.

Update: checked on the tiles price, Kimgres code A82S020 (200x300mm or about 8"x12"). Price each is RM1.30. But I recall this was special price during stock clearance.
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hi bro, very interested in your findings. for erny's granite top of rm170 pfr, for 9 ft it will cost rm1530. To be frank, I could not find any granite pricing close to this figure, although i admit i did not look at factories, i only check at ID / kitchen specialists... so I always thought the price was good.

I tried to search for Kampung Melayu Subang, but without proper description it is quite hard to look for the granite factory you mentioned. any clue? smile.gif

btw since you mentioned you did reno your place before, mind to share the material and cost of your kitchen top? of coz, also to share the place you did it, you see i am looking for kitchen tops now for my place.

Thanks bro. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Daven81 @ Jul 4 2009, 11:43 PM)
hi bro, very interested in your findings. for erny's granite top of rm170 pfr, for 9 ft it will cost rm1530. To be frank, I could not find any granite pricing close to this figure, although i admit i did not look at factories, i only check at ID / kitchen specialists... so I always thought the price was good.

I tried to search for Kampung Melayu Subang, but without proper description it is quite hard to look for the granite factory you mentioned. any clue?  smile.gif

btw since you mentioned you did reno your place before, mind to share the material and cost of your kitchen top? of coz, also to share the place you did it, you see i am looking for kitchen tops now for my place.

Thanks bro.  smile.gif
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My kitchen top is like this:

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I checked back my records. Depth is 600mm (standard) with 3" backsplash and the front is double SE profile (also quite standard). Black Galaxy granite. Plus one opening for the hob. Total length is 9.8 ft and cost was RM1449. So nearly RM148 pfr all in. I got it from a factory in Ipoh (through family friend).

After talking to a few people they said the price quoted by Erny @ 170 pfr is quite reasonable by KL standards. If you approach those kitchen design shops outside would be more expensive (as you've already found out). Do you know if Erny's price includes the backsplash? Also check on what type of granite is being offered. Most people go for black colour - you have Black Galaxy (black with copper flecks) or Shanxi Black (this is more pure black). Shanxi Black is a little bit cheaper I think.

Also, there is advantage in dealing with just one party to tapau the cabinets and tops - they will do all coordination in the background and you liaise with 1 person only and 1 person is responsible for the works. If you split the cabinets and tops to 2 different suppliers, in the event something goes wrong then a lot of finger pointing will happen.

In case you want to look at Kampung Melayu Subang, map is below. Those granite places are along the main road (yellow) after the Subang Airport.

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A few other thoughts I can share:

* I feel that granite can last longer than solid surfaces (Corian, LG Hi-Macs, etc)
* Granite looks better in my opinion. Nowadays solid surfaces also have more 'natural stone look' versions but significantly more expensive
* If you like plain colours (like solid white) then solid surfaces will have the look you want
* For solid surfaces they can polish the seams so it looks seamless (important if you have L-shape tops). For granite you will see faint groove line where the L joins. If your top is straight across then no problem.

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bro jchong, thanks a lot for your informative post! actually i am from Ipoh too but do not think it's possible to buy there.. too bad smile.gif
thanks for the picture and information and also the comments, sure is helpful to me and any other people looking for tops smile.gif
yea I also agree on one contractor to ta pau everything - saves time and effort. but end result will be depending on the contractor (the very important decision to engage who)

I will post again with my findings or once I got my own confirmed quotations from my contractor smile.gif

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