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Erny_Looi
post Jun 16 2009, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 15 2009, 10:40 PM)
How much are those mosaic tiles usually?
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This small mosaic for 10ft x 2.5ft is around 1k...
Now the new type is the tile's size is 10 inch x 8 inch. But the surface of the tile look excatly like many small mosaic on it. smile.gif
This kind of tiles for 10ft x 2.5ft aound rm600-700.

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post Jun 17 2009, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 16 2009, 05:43 PM)
This small mosaic for 10ft x 2.5ft is around 1k...
Now the new type is the tile's size is 10 inch x 8 inch. But the surface of the tile look excatly like many small mosaic on it.    smile.gif
This kind of tiles for 10ft x 2.5ft aound rm600-700.
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your estimation above is inclusive of tiling work or just the tiles alone ?
around how much is these 10 inch x 8 inch per piece ?
Erny_Looi
post Jun 17 2009, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(n73me @ Jun 17 2009, 10:19 AM)
your estimation above is inclusive of tiling work or just the tiles alone ?
around how much is these 10 inch x 8 inch per piece ?
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That is total price, just pay 1k and the mosaic will be on your wall.
For the small mosaic, 1ft x 1ft i think around rm18-20..plus the tiling work fee..So total need 1k for 10ft x 2.5ft.
Erm....for 10 inch x 8 inch, how much per piece i don't know, never ask before. But cheaper and easier to install. That's why the total price is cheaper. Like Jchong said:"bigger tile, less groove line, easier to clean" brows.gif
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post Jun 17 2009, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 17 2009, 10:30 AM)
That is total price, just pay 1k and the mosaic will be on your wall.
For the small mosaic, 1ft x 1ft i think around rm18-20..plus the tiling work fee..So total need 1k for 10ft x 2.5ft.
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So, total price for mosaic tiles is 1k for 25 ft2. That means RM40 psf. If the mosaic tiles themselves are RM20 psf, means the tiling workmanship is RM20 psf. I think that's very high for the workmanship!
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post Jun 18 2009, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 17 2009, 11:00 AM)
So, total price for mosaic tiles is 1k for 25 ft2. That means RM40 psf. If the mosaic tiles themselves are RM20 psf, means the tiling workmanship is RM20 psf. I think that's very high for the workmanship!
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Ya lo, rm20 psf tiling workmanship if u employ chinese worker. For indonesian is cheaper. But not everyone prefer indonesian's work.
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Added on June 18, 2009, 5:43 pm
Many people plan to choose tiles for their countertop, but most people do not realize that concrete is porous. In fact, more porous than Swiss cheese! The pores constitute 12 to 18% of the concrete but the pores are invisible, much smaller that human hair. After concrete is poured, almost a half of the water has to evaporate. As this surplus water pushes to the surface, it leaves behind a network of capillaries (pores) inside the concrete.

The pores are much larger than water molecules. Water vapor or gases flow easily right through, drawn in by the lower pressure inside buildings. But liquid water is initially held back by its surface tension, as the glob of water gets stuck inside the microscopic dry pore. However, as water enlarges the pores or they get wet by condensation, water starts seeping in. And eventually, the pores start actively pulling in water by capillary action.

Concrete blocks, particularly cinder blocks, are more permeable to water vapor than poured concrete. They all start as impermeable to liquid water but, when exposed to water, their porosity increases and they start seeping water.

2 to 3 years later, if you are using 2x2 tiles, the problem above may occur.
You can choose smaller tiles to avoid this problem. Anyway, granite still will be the best choice for now.

This post has been edited by Erny_Looi: Jun 18 2009, 05:43 PM
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post Jun 19 2009, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 18 2009, 01:11 PM)
Many people plan to choose tiles for their countertop, but most people do not realize that concrete is porous. In fact, more porous than Swiss cheese! The pores constitute 12 to 18% of the concrete but the pores are invisible, much smaller that human hair. After concrete is poured, almost a half of the water has to evaporate. As this surplus water pushes to the surface, it leaves behind a network of capillaries (pores) inside the concrete.

The pores are much larger than water molecules. Water vapor or gases flow easily right through, drawn in by the lower pressure inside buildings. But liquid water is initially held back by its surface tension, as the glob of water gets stuck inside the microscopic dry pore. However, as water enlarges the pores or they get wet by condensation, water starts seeping in. And eventually, the pores start actively pulling in water by capillary action.

Concrete blocks, particularly cinder blocks, are more permeable to water vapor than poured concrete. They all start as impermeable to liquid water but, when exposed to water, their porosity increases and they start seeping water.

2 to 3 years later, if you are using 2x2 tiles, the problem above may occur.
You can choose smaller tiles to avoid this problem. Anyway, granite still will be the best choice for now.
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Not only water seeping... its also potential kitchen biohazard! Its a perfect breeding ground for dangerous and harmful bacteria!

Actually Erny, wouldn't granite top have the same issues although not as bad as concrete. Most granite have tiny microscopic holes as well.

BTW, I sent my floor plan to your brother on Monday.. today no sound yet... maybe lots of business. Can you chase him up please? I follow up with him on Wed if he have gotten my mail....
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post Jun 19 2009, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 3 2009, 08:36 PM)

Granite Counters
Granite is the countertop material of choice and it becomes more widespread nowadays. The beauty of the stone contributes to the beauty of even the most modest kitchen.

Pros: holds up to heat; comes in a range of almost 3000 colors; looks permanent and substantial; will last a lifetime; new sealers are almost maintenance-free; 2nd highest hardness rating after diamonds; has a high value to home buyers.

Cons: expensive, but becoming more affordable; requires some maintenance; some stones absorbs stains if not sealed; knives can become dull if you cut on it; can crack if stressed or improperly installed.

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Concrete has porous becoz the water in there evapurate after sometime, therefore porous forming inside the concrete. This make the concrete become weaker and weaker. The problem is your tiles will start losing the bonding within the concrete.

Granite consist porous but this is the natural product, all kind of stones absorb water but not really fast. For example, u put a few drops of water on it, then come back later and wipe the area. If the area is darker then the rest of your granite it means that it has adsorbed some of the water rendering it porous. But even granite consist porous within it, but u will have no problem with this porous because normally people using water to clean it and immediately dry it up. Unless u pour black oil on white granite and leave it for few hours, then u are in problem.. brows.gif

Ok bro, I will remind him. sorry to keep u waiting. sweat.gif
Have a nice day!
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post Jun 19 2009, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 19 2009, 10:11 AM)
Concrete has porous becoz the water in there evapurate after sometime, therefore porous forming inside the concrete. This make the concrete become weaker and weaker. The problem is your tiles will start losing the bonding within the concrete.

Granite consist porous but this is the natural product, all kind of stones absorb water but not really fast. For example, u put a few drops of water on it, then come back later and wipe the area. If the area is darker then the rest of your granite it means that it has adsorbed some of the water rendering it porous. But even granite consist porous within it, but u will have no problem with this porous because normally people using water to clean it and immediately dry it up. Unless u pour black oil on white granite and leave it for few hours, then u are in problem..  brows.gif

Ok bro, I will remind him. sorry to keep u waiting.  sweat.gif
Have a nice day!
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thot of one issue... how about leaving a cup of cold drink on the surface? probably will it cause a circle on the surface?
I hv this kind of issue on tiles, granite too??
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post Jun 19 2009, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(trojant @ Jun 19 2009, 10:21 AM)
thot of one issue... how about leaving a cup of cold drink on the surface? probably will it cause a circle on the surface?
I hv this kind of issue on tiles, granite too??
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U mean u cause the circle on tile and it can't be removed? Are u put the glass there for few years? brows.gif
I think it will not have any effect on this, it is a hard nature stone.
Even u pour a glass of water on tile or granite, but u clean it in few minutes, it will not have any issue. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 19 2009, 11:57 AM)
U mean u cause the circle on tile and it can't be removed? Are u put the glass there for few years?  brows.gif
I think it will not have any effect on this, it is a hard nature stone.
Even u pour a glass of water on tile or granite, but u clean it in few minutes, it will not have any issue.  smile.gif
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it's indeed a circle permanently on the tiles, definately not for few years.
on other tiles, sometimes, the circle appears for a few minutes than gone.
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post Jun 24 2009, 09:25 AM

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Some others projects for sharing~ smile.gif

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post Jun 24 2009, 12:38 PM

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nice work done there ... pls share more in future ... i am a fan of ID ... smile.gif

How much for this entire make over?
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post Jun 25 2009, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(jootat @ Jun 24 2009, 12:38 PM)
nice work done there ... pls share more in future ... i am a fan of ID ... smile.gif

How much for this entire make over?
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Hehe, thanks!
That's all my brother's projects, so I don't know the exact price.. tongue.gif

Currently i work as structure design engineer, but i prefer architecture field...more to design..sigh~..
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post Jun 25 2009, 12:36 PM

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Hi Erny,

Does your brother design the kitchen too? (sketch)
Please PM his samples work website if has any.
I'm interested. Thank you.

This post has been edited by dreamKrusher: Jun 25 2009, 12:37 PM
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post Jun 25 2009, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(dreamKrusher @ Jun 25 2009, 12:36 PM)
Hi Erny,

Does your brother design the kitchen too? (sketch)
Please PM his samples work website if has any.
I'm interested. Thank you.
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Ya, I already PM u.
Have a nice day!
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post Jun 25 2009, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 24 2009, 09:25 AM)
Some others projects for sharing~ smile.gif

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hi ernie, i wanted to do this kind of partition at my kitchen, any idea how much does it costs?
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Hi Erny,

I'd like to know how much does solid surface (acrillic) costs?

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post Jun 26 2009, 02:22 PM

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Hi Erny,

Can u PM me the website n contact number also... Interested here. Thank you.


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post Jun 26 2009, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Jun 4 2009, 09:33 PM)
Just to share some info with u all,

Price direct from factory,
Granite 1ft x 1ft = rm170
Hi Erny,

I happened to visit a granite factory and saw that their prices are much lower than what you posted. Example: the popular black galaxy is about RM45 psf. Of course this doesn't include the bullnosing or edge polishing or opening hole for the sink/hob - but these are not too expensive. Your figure of RM170 psf seems too high.
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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 26 2009, 03:57 PM)
Hi Erny,

I happened to visit a granite factory and saw that their prices are much lower than what you posted. Example: the popular black galaxy is about RM45 psf. Of course this doesn't include the bullnosing or edge polishing or opening hole for the sink/hob - but these are not too expensive. Your figure of RM170 psf seems too high.
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blink.gif blink.gif Jchong, which place do you visit? I am interesting on it. is very good bargain, rather than do a cement tiles at the wet kitchen

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