I need to run 2x20m speaker cable for my surround speakers - where can I get cheap but decent run (beldens?)

thanks

theres one hrdwre shop in masjid india area..
selling 2nd hand stuffs...
check it out

Just go buy 50m roll of Monster THX from Harvey Norman. Good enuf but of to 48ft max run only.

This post has been edited by arremie: Jun 4 2009, 01:42 PM

I do not agree with Monster's business practices and will not support them or buy their products.

Doesn't anyone sell Belden 50m rolls

This post has been edited by SiriuslyCold: May 7 2009, 10:29 PM

Some of those shops selling electronic parts might carry Belden.

As for hi-fi shops, Musical Image has the Belden 8471 for RM9/m.

jchong - location please, I have just moved back to KL and still getting to know my way around

thanks

more why not Monster: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/monster-monsters.php

Musical Image location: http://www.musicalimage.com.my/contactus.html

I agree with you about Monster, I'm not keen on their business practices. Moreover I believe their stuff is overpriced.

Can try buy online :

http://www.futureshop.co.uk/speaker-cables...6c5a80f2e4f7f59

http://www.bluejeanscable.co.uk/

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/browse/Speaker%20Wire/3829756

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This post has been edited by SiriuslyCold: May 8 2009, 10:10 AM

Mind to share , how much you bought it?

wow you really against Monster but of course its your right to do so and I have no objection whatsoever

I bought 30ft roll for about RM160. Then got free nice umbrella coz promotion at the time. Not sure about 50ft roll. I like the fact that this cable really flexible and easy to route thru corner.

*50ft roll is RM209

This post has been edited by arremie: Jun 4 2009, 01:48 PM

Thanks for the info, a lot of thing need to upgrade, have to got more info to get the cheaper stuff.

I can't tell people to boycott them, but the links should be sufficient for people to make up their own minds

Unfortunately their marketing, like B*se is very good and they are easy to buy anywhere and despite being somewhat(?) overpriced generally people still buy them

Couldn't agree more with you, bro.

Btw, have you got your cables?

For my surround I just bought jalan pasar 6ringgit/m which are flat. wanted to get the monsters but they were out of stock at HN. bought 20M's so far so good.

not yet - will visit jalan pasar tomorrow, 6/m flat sounds good... if can get 4/m normal cables even better

Since you are running a longer run, make sure you get at least 16awg or bigger cable (14, 12, etc and not above 16 coz the size will be smaller).

have to balance between SQ for surrounds, length and keeping the visibility as low as possible...

I'm also looking for similar 'economical' cables.

How about this:
http://my.farnell.com/pro-power/27-7-1x2-5...-50m/dp/1647858

Is that 16AWG?

from here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge

16AWG is about 1.2mm sq

1.55mm sq is somewhere between 14 and 15AWG

This post has been edited by SiriuslyCold: May 10 2009, 09:40 PM

I used to have similar cable as this more than a decade ago. That is what I could afford back then. Those shops called it 'hot wires'. It was selling at abt RM5/mtr. Took me 2 months of saving to buy it for my setup.

everyone has it's starting point.

Just make sure you don't get too bad of quality... read: http://connectedhome.com.au/article/down-wire and it will explain everything you need to know about different types of wiring.

I don't hate Monster but I'm not keen on them either. I do think some of their products are good, but the hype and marketing around them is overblown. Pricing is also an issue, but if can get for competitive price then can consider.

I only hv 1 Monster s-video cable....got it for around RM50 from ebay shop....

that one ori or not?

dunno but it does improve the colour for Astro and sharpness too....

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This post has been edited by BOTAK_WAI: Jun 7 2009, 01:27 AM

You can get Canare 4S11 at Hifi Shop One Utama. RM30 per meter.

I need to know also where to get the Belden 5000UE locally....anyone knows? I need like 100ft

I want to tumpang to ask about Banana Plugs.

Anyone here know where can get good silver Banana plugs (no need solder type)?

another alternative I'm looking for is Belden 1313A which is 10AWG.

maybe we all can share one reel. I need about 50m.

The reason I want 5000UE is bcoz it has the lowest resistance for 12awg cable. Very good for long run to surround speakers. Can buy online from www.bluejeanscable.co.uk but will cost GBP55 for 2 x 15m. Currently using Monster THX 50ft which is 16awg and only effectively good up to 48ft only for running 8 ohm speakers.

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Added on June 4, 2009, 1:52 pmI just ring this company. Belden 5000UE for 1000ft roll is RM2600. They don't sell loose. So its RM260 for 100ft which is cheap I think. Anybody wanna share? 10 person 100ft each should be cool unless someone wanted longer length then less person lor...

This post has been edited by arremie: Jun 4 2009, 01:52 PM

RM260bucks is even cheaper than buying from bluejeans.

I don't mind getting Belden 5000UE for my surrounds. I can take 150ft.

Maybe we can start a Bulk buy for this.

Anyone else interested.

This post has been edited by ycs: Jun 5 2009, 04:12 AM

In Jalan Pasar, there are a few Electrical shops who is clearing their Monster Cables speaker cable. They are selling in rolls and was about RM4.50 per meter, or something to that effect.

Went with a friend about 1 and a half to 2 months back... (age catching up...)

Hope this helps

No one else interested?

1) arremie - 100ft
2) ycs - 150ft
3)
4)
5)
......

12 AWG is quite thick.. dunno whether my surround terminals can fit or not...

RM 260 is very cheap...

got pic of the cables?

actually, the more suitable cable would be Belden 1311A



5000UE

That is what Belden recommended. My choice was based on bluejeanscable.com but I saw the spec for both is quite close.

what the price of Belden 1311A?

oic...very expensive

quite cheap

Why don't you two guys share 1 reel of 152m 1311A, instead of 1000ft

Price 1 Reel of 152 Metre(s)
1 MYR1,559.00

http://malaysia.rs-online.com/web/search/s...ct&R=2508292525

© RS Components Sdn Bhd
Lot 12, Jalan Pensyarah U1/28, SeksyenU1 Hicom Glenmarie Industrial Park, 40150 Shah Alam Selangor Darul Ehsan, Malaysia

That's even more expensive than 5000UE bro. I'm trying to contact someone and c if he can get lower than 2.6k for 5000UE. I forgot to ask if they have 500ft roll instead of 1000ft.

try this for 5000UE 152m MYR1,141.00
http://malaysia.rs-online.com/web/search/s...oduct&R=5102404

That's a good price for the 5000UE. About RM7.50/m.

Even cheaper than the price arremie got quoted from Kestronics, which is RM2600 for 304m, or RM8.55/m.

This post has been edited by jchong: Jun 11 2009, 11:57 AM

Nice....cheaper and no need so many people to share a roll. So anybody wanna share this? 250ft taken....another 250ft to go.

I google and see newer posts are using 1311A, older post back to 2002 are using 5000ue.

IMHO, 1311A would be a better choice (technical & marketing gimmick?). Uses PO insulation with 168 x 34 conductors; compared to PP with 19 x 25; Be about RM10.50/m extra RM90 for 100 feet. I am interested in 100ft 1311A.

download 1311A PDF http://www.belden.com/pdfs/prodbull/NP232.pdf

Hmmm... yes it seems the 13XXA series are the 'in thing' now. These fellas down south are using the 1313A: http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.ph...7&topic=44245.0

But I think 1311A good enough. One key difference is this new series uses OFHC copper, whereas some people wrote that the 5000 is ETP copper.

dude that discussion almost a year ago

Anyway since nobody else interested I think I just order mine from bluejeanscable.com. I believed those guys have done their homework and stick with 5000 series and 4S11 (for bi-wire) as their recommended speaker cables.

Out of curiosity, I tried 4S11 coz I can find it easily here and the result is....my SA XT now back in the box. I'm using 4S11 as of now. So since I like 4S11, I want to try the 5000UE for my surround. I had a feeling the cable will make a good difference compare to my Monster THX I'm using now

This post has been edited by arremie: Jun 11 2009, 03:39 PM

So you like the 4S11 over the SA XT? Big difference or minor difference?

There's no big difference la bro with cables. If someone tell u its heaven n earth difference, u can lift ur middle finger

SA XT is good but 4S11 gives out different sound signature in a good way. With my Klipsch, 4S11 feels like it has more body. It sounded fuller than SA XT. For RM30 a meter heck its really value for money

so quick order from bluejeanscable.com er bro... i was considering of joining the 5000UE bulk..

No haven't order la bro. Give it some more time. How long u need? Another 250ft to go if the other guy still want the 150ft. I need 100 ft only.

100 Ft should be ok..more that enuff.. it would be quite some time (years maybe ) before i start running 7.1 configuration..
if the price maintain should be around RM 240 rite..

The price for Belden 5000UE is RM1141 for a 500ft roll. I don't think the price will change....

lai lai another 150ft to go...

1) arremie - 100ft
2) ycs - 150ft
3) zerorulez - 100ft
4)
5)

I will take the rest of 150ft.

Great! Let's wait for ycs confirmation. Hope he's still interested. Anyway I will contact RS Malaysia tomorrow n see if we can self pickup. Their place in Hicom-Glenmarie quite near to my place.

1) arremie - 100ft
2) ycs - 150ft
3) zerorulez - 100ft
4) geforce1999 -150ft

I will PM u guys once confirmed to arrange for the payment

Hi Arremie, I might need you to help me pick up first as I will only be PJ next Wed/Thu...

I'm looking for spk cable for my fronts. 3 meter each side, budget around rm150-200
any recommendations ?

No prob. After everyone confirm can forward payment to me. Let's take this via PM from now on

Get Canare 4S11. RM30 a meter unterminated. Hifi Shop One Utama.

arremie, better than qed sa xt?

They are different. Good in their own way. At this moment I prefer the 4S11. That's why I'm not selling my SA XT

Anyone of the Belden 5000UE bulker willing to sell me 20 feet?

OK, confirmed get this cable. attentional can get 20' from my allocation.

1) arremie - 100ft
2) ycs - 130ft
3) zerorulez - 100ft
4) geforce1999 -150ft
5) attentional - 20ft

arremie, maybe you can take the lead to organise payment and collection details.

Ok no prob. I will send details via PM.

Thank you so much bro ycs!!!! n confirmed!

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This post has been edited by gsdev: Jun 13 2009, 02:03 AM

If you are not critical abt the surround and you system is pretty well a basic setup, so if its wires and length is what you are after...try the Philips brands....its widely available...I've even seen it at Jusco.
http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/e...SU_US_CONSUMER/

It comes in a roll type:
http://list.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/List.as...itButton=Search

Bro there's a reason la why we wanted Belden. Compared to those Philips, this one is 12 gauge and has the lowest resistance which is very important for longer run more than 50ft.

Even if only using basic system, there's always advantage with a proper setup

This post has been edited by arremie: Jun 12 2009, 08:22 PM

if it is lower resistance, pump up the volume a notch will more than compensate for it...between a 12 gauge and a 16gauge at 50ft is less than 0.5db loss...it also depends on the speaker impedance.
The figures table can be easily googled.

16gauge should be good enough for a run of 50ft and casual users that use it for surround sound of movies (like me), but 12gauge is of course better and recommend if the budget is more...more than double...but does it give twice the satisfaction rather than just sound coming out of the surround speakers?....yes?...go for it.. ..

Yes there's always 2 sides of opinion when people talk about cables so each to its own. For me I will buy any cables within my budget that I believed will improve my system even with little margin. I don't stand around wasting time arguing with people. If the review is good, then there will be a chance my system will also get the improvement.

Anyway just for the sake of comparison, I'm currently using 50ft Monster THX 16awg bought at RM209. This Belden is 12awg and only RM114.10 for 50ft....so why not

Sorry, tumpang this post.

Belden 1311A 152m @ RMR1,559.00
http://malaysia.rs-online.com/web/search/s...ct&R=2508292525
I am going to buy this 152m roll, but need only 62m.
But I hope to have others join in before I buy @RM10.30/m plus shipping.
Please join here http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1061372


This post has been edited by ckyongs: Jun 13 2009, 12:07 AM

Yes..I do share the same opinion...I would certainly go for the belden, but one thing, for me 16 awg was hard enough to conceal it using small cable trunking/conduit..so I bet 12awg would be harder to route from the front to the rears depending situations...so beginners need to plan properly on what to buy and whats the best way to keep the wiring conceal and tidy.

The lower the awg the better? Does this applies for hdmi cable too?

can we consider getting the 1311A instead? Didn't know RS had them.

I think 1311A is preferable coz its got more copper strands.

Some very expensive good cables don't have more strands than cheaper ones.
Some have special winding, coatings, teflon, foam etc etc.

Sound may be different; not better or worse because it depends on your system.
Some cables sound bright and can make warm sound system sound clearer.
Some cables sound warm, and will tame bright systems.

Why 1311A?
Cause the KADAS, Daytona other "unbranded" RM4/m cables DO sound harsh.
I will be paying RM300 less than those 14 AWG Belden surround cables sold in shops for more than RM20/m (Penang price).
I will be paying RM100 more compare to 30m 5000UE.
I am just taking a risk, and I don't plan to change to other cables.

This post has been edited by ckyongs: Jun 13 2009, 12:14 PM

Guys, pls let me know if you don't want the 5000UE. Don't play a fool commit that u want the 5000UE and then later saying u want something else. Nobody force u to get the 5000UE. If u don't want then just tell u don't want. Don't waste someone else time because of your selfishness.

bro, i was just asking if we can switch to 1311A and not trying to waste your time, being selfish or play a fool. I am serious to get some cables.

Anyway, looks like geforce have decided to get 1311A and so this bulk may not take off. Thus, I'll join the 1311A bulk buy.

No u didn't. U have committed urself in getting the 5000. U could at least PM me or reply to my PM if changed ur mind. I'm ok with that so I don't have to waste my time going to RS. Instead u busy urself getting another cable in another thread. What kind of attitude is that? One word....SELFISH!!

geforce getting the 1311 bcoz I told him I'm not gonna continue after u screw up. Unlike u, we have communicated via PM. So don't come here and twist the story around saying u get the 1311 bcoz I'm not gonna continue. U think I'm stupid? Smart ass!

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Added on June 14, 2009, 8:11 pmOk. I cool down. What past is past la. Hope u happy with ur choice. I will order mine personally.

This post has been edited by arremie: Jun 14 2009, 08:11 PM

wanna ask, i have a small room,

3 meter apart fronts and 1 meter center , u think using unterminated cables like Belden makes much improvements, over my stock ones, brandless cables provided by my speakers seller, ?

U mean the red and black cable that comes free with some speakers? Get rid of it. The cable is so small and very high in resistance. Belden will definitely improve ur system over that free cable.

no its proper speaker cables just generic brands, maybe tonite ill take some pic

The size is what u need. If not written somewhere, measure the internal copper without the insulation.

I remembered I fried my tiny tiny cables that came with the speaker package ... hahaha .. wow it has been almost one year since i've started in HT.

ur 1800 too powerful for that silly cable

Monster XP High Performance Speaker cable is here.

Check out this thread for more info:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1087805



This post has been edited by DigitalTech: Jul 13 2009, 02:51 PM

Useless cable, I bought one and throw the whole roll away, the quality like RM30 per roll jalan pasar cable.
Want cheap and good cable, visit www.monoprice.com I ordered tons of good quality cable from where, including shipping via Fedex (2 days arrive) only take around RM200.

hi guy,

using a logitech z680 speaker 5.1 and speaker wire is no brand one (white color) and the copper is very thin so any recommeded good wire around rm100-200 and my room is about 6-7feet distant.

thanks

haha don't say useless la bro. At least its better than cap ayam black n red wire.

what cable u buy from monoprice?

All sifus, i'm thinking of upgrading my speaker cables (currently using cheap cheap one bought from normal electrical shop) for my HT setup. Visited Futureshop and interested in QED SA XT for front + center speaker (2m pair terminated with banana plug), and QED SR-SW for subwoofer. yet to decide on surround speakers which are around 40ft's length away. How do we know the gauge from the technical specs when sometimes it doesnt show exactly the #gauge. Budget around RM500-RM700 without surround speakers cables cuz due to budget constraint thinking of upgrading those later. I dun mind to share in bulk order. Pls recommend. Tks all sifus' advises in advance!

P/S: what's the difference between QED SA XT & QED SA XT Bi-wire??

This post has been edited by milo-o: Jul 14 2009, 10:12 PM

Good choice bro. I'm using all the cables u mentioned.

Something for reference....
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Tks bro. Still got a lot to learn from, but the lessions are getting more and more expensive now

just get the biggest, most pretty cable you can afford...size does matter! brand does not...

sure bo? then i shall go to wiring shop to buy oredi, instead of AV shop or futureshop

got megan fox picture printed on the cable er bro...

when i was in ICE, heated argument all around abt cables...we even do a blind test..all cannot hear the different..la... we even do a blind test to determine a balance speaker vs a non balance speakers...abt 0.3 ohm difference...no body can hear the difference la.....

we also do a blind test for a RM1500/m cable vs a RM 60/m cable running on Mark levinson system...in the end the ugly RM 1500/m was returned..for your info..the whole system cost 1.2m

if you put in a oscilloscope to measure all the cables, you will find bigger has less resistance compare to small ones...but my argument was: Can you here this difference? anyone want to organized a blind test? so just get the smallest awg cable that you can fit and afford.

I am all for good big power cord...cos...less resistance less heat and chances of caught fire is less..hahaha...and amp works best if the correct amt of amp is supplied to it....