just get the biggest, most pretty cable you can afford...size does matter! brand does not...
Speaker cables, where to get decent cheap one
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Jul 15 2009, 11:41 AM
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when i was in ICE, heated argument all around abt cables...we even do a blind test..all cannot hear the different..la... we even do a blind test to determine a balance speaker vs a non balance speakers...abt 0.3 ohm difference...no body can hear the difference la.....
we also do a blind test for a RM1500/m cable vs a RM 60/m cable running on Mark levinson system...in the end the ugly RM 1500/m was returned..for your info..the whole system cost 1.2m if you put in a oscilloscope to measure all the cables, you will find bigger has less resistance compare to small ones...but my argument was: Can you here this difference? anyone want to organized a blind test? so just get the smallest awg cable that you can fit and afford. I am all for good big power cord...cos...less resistance less heat and chances of caught fire is less..hahaha...and amp works best if the correct amt of amp is supplied to it.... |
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QUOTE(xrossf1re @ Jul 16 2009, 12:02 AM) No disrespect to your opinion, but i'm using psb symphony speakers which costs 15k per pair but i'm sticking with my rm2xx per 50m roll of speaker cable. sounds excellent no matter what cable i use on em, weather it is cheapo cable or good quality 12awg/14awg rm1xx per meter cable. my rule is, if you have the money, invest in better speaker rather than that pathetic cable. putting a continental gt tyre on a pathetic ride will not make it faster than a modena with a normal tyre isn't it? totally agree with you bro! for better returns, spend more on speaker and amp! rule of thumb...10% of your total cost spend on cables. good cables dun give improvement...blind test anyone? but expensive cables look canggih   so it enhance the look of your setup...but not the sound quality...during my "Hi-fi" days...we done many blind test...the only component of the system you notice the most is 1. Amp, 2. Speakers 2. CD player. Amp is the most obvious..one blind test last time, we hook up 01 marantz Class A integrated amp, cant remember which model, i think is PM17? vs a soundstage valve amp(i hope i get the brand correct as this is more than 10 years ago)...is more like TTL vs Valve...the valve sound so warm and really bring out the vocals...but it sonud flat if you play lady ga ga disco track..  |
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QUOTE(arremie @ Jul 16 2009, 01:15 AM) May I ask something.....do you guys who say no difference between cables actually do try out different cables or you just pickup what others just said. By trying different cables here doesn't mean you listen to a song or two with a cable, switch and listen again and expect to hear a subtle difference. What I mean by trying out is you really into it. You take your time without prejudice, without hope and without expectation. Until you have this kind of passion, you can't say you have tried different cables and they make no difference this is how we do the blind test.. They said....thou shalt know thyself. I said....thou shalt know thycables to know thyself  that supa rich ...mark levison owner..(the speaker is almost 8 feet tall...  ) has been listening to his supa duper hi-fi for almost 6 months. we use his favorite song(the song which he is very familiar), blindfold the fella(his ears should be more sensitive now), switch the cable and ask him to identify which cable...it end up the fella dun even dare to simply tembak...cos kena jaga muka mar.... Arremie, i am not saying investing on cable is foolish, if you can afford and game for it, why not? i just want to bring out that cable brand does not improve sonically of your system, it you want improvement, dun waste your money here. you can ask a friend to do this blind test easily at home. |
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Jul 16 2009, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE(milo-o @ Jul 16 2009, 01:37 AM) i think to be more precise, we tend to upgrade our cables for improvement, not for difference right? difference doesn't mean better, it might be worse! what we should be discussing here is 'does better cables give improved sound quality', rather than 'does different cable give different sound quality'. for the later question perhaps i should answer Yes (to some experts i believe they could hear the very subtle difference, but not me hehe), but for the first question, again, it is very subjective if you cannot hear any differences, how you judge whether it is good or bad?   |
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QUOTE(milo-o @ Jul 16 2009, 02:02 AM) that's why i said some ppl (including me as well) upgrade cables due to psychological effect, better cables = better sound?? this is what we call "taste"  if u can hear the differences, then how do u judge wether it is better or worse?  Added on July 16, 2009, 11:22 am QUOTE(arremie @ Jul 16 2009, 01:15 AM) May I ask something.....do you guys who say no difference between cables actually do try out different cables or you just pickup what others just said. By trying different cables here doesn't mean you listen to a song or two with a cable, switch and listen again and expect to hear a subtle difference. What I mean by trying out is you really into it. You take your time without prejudice, without hope and without expectation. Until you have this kind of passion, you can't say you have tried different cables and they make no difference bro, They said....thou shalt know thyself. I said....thou shalt know thycables to know thyself sometimes you found your setup is singing wonders and that particular song sounded so good, and you may thing that it must be the cables i change last night... well...listening to music is depend on mood...some morning after you woke up, you feel like blasting Tiesto but sometimes, Tiesto sounded so irritating....and you prefer jazz...so is all depends on mood ....maybe after you have switch one cable, and you are telling your self this cable is good playing jazzy type of material and your mood and mind are conditioned to feel good when listening to jazz... well...each individual ear are built differently, i am semi deaf due on my left ear due to too much nagging...from wifey I listen to songs, not staging, strings of the guitars or bass, music is like food, all boiled down to individual taste..during the blind test last time, they are 10-12 hi-fi kaki there...all say no difference...  This post has been edited by shuttersyok: Jul 16 2009, 11:22 AM |
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QUOTE(arremie @ Jul 16 2009, 11:53 AM) those 10-12 people also semi deaf? maybe, the way they listen to their music can make you deaf...once you walk out from their soundproof room, you can hear "Eeee.e.e.eeeee." sound..i ask them before why need to play so loud? they say when they spend so much money, they want to re-create the actual atmosphere..the live feel wor...  no war la... im too old for that..cable argument will forever burn on...no thanks to all the so called review in the magazines.. back in those days, people change their set-up just because "What Hi-Fi" magazine review it as a 5 star buy...hahahahah.. |
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Jul 16 2009, 05:32 PM) Analogue signals can easily be affected by surrounding noise and interference. So, at least speaker cables with better built quality, proper insulation and material should contribute to better shielding and thus could produce cleaner sound. So it's not about improving the sound from the source, but protecting the sound from unwanted noise. So bad quality cables could add a lot of noise. The copper itself can be oxidized faster if it was not properly protected, but we need an electrical engineer to explain the effects. blind test bro?My 2 sen. |
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