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shuttersyok
post Jul 16 2009, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(milo-o @ Jul 16 2009, 02:02 AM)
that's why i said some ppl (including me as well) upgrade cables due to psychological effect, better cables = better sound?? rclxub.gif
if u can hear the differences, then how do u judge wether it is better or worse?
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this is what we call "taste" tongue.gif


Added on July 16, 2009, 11:22 am
QUOTE(arremie @ Jul 16 2009, 01:15 AM)
May I ask something.....do you guys who say no difference between cables actually do try out different cables or you just pickup what others just said. By trying different cables here doesn't mean you listen to a song or two with a cable, switch and listen again and expect to hear a subtle difference. What I mean by trying out is you really into it. You take your time without prejudice, without hope and without expectation. Until you have this kind of passion, you can't say you have tried different cables and they make no difference smile.gif

They said....thou shalt know thyself. I said....thou shalt know thycables to know thyself laugh.gif
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bro,

sometimes you found your setup is singing wonders and that particular song sounded so good, and you may thing that it must be the cables i change last night...

well...listening to music is depend on mood...some morning after you woke up, you feel like blasting Tiesto but sometimes, Tiesto sounded so irritating....and you prefer jazz...so is all depends on mood ....maybe after you have switch one cable, and you are telling your self this cable is good playing jazzy type of material and your mood and mind are conditioned to feel good when listening to jazz...

well...each individual ear are built differently, i am semi deaf due on my left ear due to too much nagging...from wifey tongue.gif I listen to songs, not staging, strings of the guitars or bass, music is like food, all boiled down to individual taste..

during the blind test last time, they are 10-12 hi-fi kaki there...all say no difference... biggrin.gif

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arremie
post Jul 16 2009, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(shuttersyok @ Jul 16 2009, 11:16 AM)
i am semi deaf due on my left ear due to too much nagging...from wifey tongue.gif

during the blind test last time, they are 10-12 hi-fi kaki there...all say no difference... biggrin.gif
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those 10-12 people also semi deaf? laugh.gif
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post Jul 16 2009, 11:54 AM

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woh..... war is brewing.. be careful guys tongue.gif
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post Jul 16 2009, 01:33 PM

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Guys, is it recommended to use equal length of speaker cable for main/center speaker in Home theater setup?
arremie
post Jul 16 2009, 01:38 PM

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Added on July 16, 2009, 1:40 pm
QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Jul 16 2009, 11:54 AM)
woh..... war is brewing.. be careful guys tongue.gif
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no war....peace icon_rolleyes.gif

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shuttersyok
post Jul 16 2009, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(arremie @ Jul 16 2009, 11:53 AM)
those 10-12 people also semi deaf? laugh.gif
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maybe, the way they listen to their music can make you deaf...once you walk out from their soundproof room, you can hear "Eeee.e.e.eeeee." sound..

i ask them before why need to play so loud? they say when they spend so much money, they want to re-create the actual atmosphere..the live feel wor... doh.gif

no war la... im too old for that..cable argument will forever burn on...no thanks to all the so called review in the magazines..

back in those days, people change their set-up just because "What Hi-Fi" magazine review it as a 5 star buy...hahahahah.. doh.gif
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post Jul 16 2009, 05:17 PM

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no....war....
just music & movie....
but I do buy some not-so-expensive-cable, just to satisfied myself tongue.gif
and really, I do hear the diff....
maybe my old cable too cheap kua tongue.gif (changing from 14AWG to 11AWG) tongue.gif
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post Jul 16 2009, 05:32 PM

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Analogue signals can easily be affected by surrounding noise and interference. So, at least speaker cables with better built quality, proper insulation and material should contribute to better shielding and thus could produce cleaner sound. So it's not about improving the sound from the source, but protecting the sound from unwanted noise. So bad quality cables could add a lot of noise. The copper itself can be oxidized faster if it was not properly protected, but we need an electrical engineer to explain the effects.

My 2 sen.


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post Jul 16 2009, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Jul 16 2009, 05:32 PM)
Analogue signals can easily be affected by surrounding noise and interference. So, at least speaker cables with better built quality, proper insulation and material should contribute to better shielding and thus could produce cleaner sound. So it's not about improving the sound from the source, but protecting the sound from unwanted noise. So bad quality cables could add a lot of noise. The copper itself can be oxidized faster if it was not properly protected, but we need an electrical engineer to explain the effects.
My 2 sen.
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An electric engineer will said BS tongue.gif
he will tell you cable only carry electricity and nothing else, it WON"T improve/change/alter or make you music "danceable" (or is it the cable itself tongue.gif (p.s. pls refer to the Pear cable review sweat.gif ) tongue.gif
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post Jul 16 2009, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Jul 16 2009, 05:36 PM)
An electric engineer will said BS  tongue.gif
he will tell you cable only carry electricity and nothing else, it WON"T improve/change/alter or make you music "danceable" (or is it the cable itself tongue.gif (p.s. pls refer to the Pear cable review  sweat.gif ) tongue.gif
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Well then, there you have it. tongue.gif


arremie
post Jul 16 2009, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(shuttersyok @ Jul 16 2009, 05:04 PM)
"Eeee.e.e.eeeee." sound..
no war la... im too old for that
No wonder....they are all head bangers? laugh.gif
Totally agree with u bro...despite the difference opinion why go to war when we can make love tongue.gif

QUOTE(aiman04 @ Jul 16 2009, 05:32 PM)
Analogue signals can easily be affected by surrounding noise and interference. So, at least speaker cables with better built quality, proper insulation and material should contribute to better shielding and thus could produce cleaner sound. So it's not about improving the sound from the source, but protecting the sound from unwanted noise. So bad quality cables could add a lot of noise. The copper itself can be oxidized faster if it was not properly protected, but we need an electrical engineer to explain the effects.
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Agree with u on the analog interconnect bro but have to disagree a bit on speaker cables.

Unlike analog interconnect, speaker cables are driven at low impedance (4-8 ohm) and high current. So they are basically immune to EMI and RFI interference so shielding is not really necessary. Having said that, I still prefer shielded speaker cables tongue.gif

The issue with speaker cables is more to resistance. So basic idea, the bigger the cable usually the better....less resistance. Material use also will give different resistance. Anyway oxidize copper will make it dull for sure.

I never tried elite cables like dato mypw tongue.gif but for what I have experience so far....speaker cables do have their own sweet "G spot" laugh.gif
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post Jul 16 2009, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(arremie @ Jul 16 2009, 05:59 PM)
No wonder....they are all head bangers? laugh.gif
Totally agree with u bro...despite the difference opinion why go to war when we can make love tongue.gif
Agree with u on the analog interconnect bro but have to disagree a bit on speaker cables.

Unlike analog interconnect, speaker cables are driven at low impedance (4-8 ohm) and high current. So they are basically immune to EMI and RFI interference so shielding is not really necessary. Having said that, I still prefer shielded speaker cables tongue.gif

The issue with speaker cables is more to resistance. So basic idea, the bigger the cable usually the better....less resistance. Material use also will give different resistance. Anyway oxidize copper will make it dull for sure.

I never tried elite cables like dato mypw tongue.gif but for what I have experience so far....speaker cables do have their own sweet "G spot" laugh.gif
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May I know where is the speaker cable 'g-spot' located har??? tongue.gif

I also got one 100m roll of speaker with 217 small copper wire also don't know what is the AWG, not yet pasang. Hopefully my peasant ear can heard better AQ. Pleasantly use Rm1.70 per meter wire. blush.gif
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post Jul 16 2009, 06:39 PM

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I hear humming sound from my speaker through my Pioneer AVR, select any input also same problem. Is it because of the cable?

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arremie
post Jul 16 2009, 06:43 PM

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Humming usually come from sub. Cross check and pin point where the hum is coming from.
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post Jul 16 2009, 08:32 PM

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Yup, you're right Arremie. However, bigger cables will increase inductance. That's why I like QED's X-Tube technology. biggrin.gif

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One of the big problems as cable conductor size increases, is how to keep the inductance low. This is vital to reduce cable losses and prevent inaccuracies in the signal transfer process, i.e. distortion.

The normal way to do this is to use a number of individually insulated conductors within the cable construction. This method is utilised to great effect in the design of our Genesis Silver Spiral loudspeaker cables. However, this results in a product that has a very high quality sound performance, but is expensive to manufacture and can be difficult to terminate.

To take advantage of this design ethos, but in a more conventional format, X-TUBE forms the conductor in the shape of a tube with an inner aircore. This has the same effect as using multiple insulated conductors and ensures that high frequencies are transmitted cleanly, with the added benefit of ease of termination. This unique tubular conductor geometry also provides lower flux density within the conductors, which gives improved transparency to the sound.

THE SIGNAL

1.) At low frequencies both X-TUBE™ and conventional stranded/solid core speaker cable convey signals in a linear way. This is represented by the uniform green colour of the strands shown in the two diagrams above.

2.) At higher frequencies X-TUBE retains a near-linear signal transfer, whereas the conventional stranded/solid core cable fails to efficiently conduct higher frequencies uniformly across the entire conductor area. The diagram shows excess current density at the periphery (designated in red) and rapidly deteriorating current density (green through to white) towards the centre of the conductor.

The effect of this is to reduce the actual cross-sectional area of the cable at 15kHz to less than 75% of that at low frequencies. The result is induced distortion and a compromise in the performance of the cable.

X-TUBE with Aircore™ technology exhibits much lower self-inductance and is therefore less affected by this problem. The use of an innovative Polyethylene aircore enables a reduction in loop inductance to levels only usually achievable by using more costly and difficult to terminate cables.
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post Jul 16 2009, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Jul 16 2009, 08:32 PM)
Yup, you're right Arremie. However, bigger cables will increase inductance. That's why I like QED's X-Tube technology. biggrin.gif
Ditto for that rclxms.gif X-Tube rules thumbup.gif
Later wanna try XT300 or XT350 la bro when got some cash to spare. Feel something missing with SA XT now.
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QUOTE(arremie @ Jul 16 2009, 08:41 PM)
Ditto for that rclxms.gif X-Tube rules thumbup.gif
Later wanna try XT300 or XT350 la bro when got some cash to spare. Feel something missing with SA XT now.
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Why not XT400 bro? brows.gif


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post Jul 16 2009, 08:56 PM

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too expensive sweat.gif

plus if I move one step at a time I can enjoy and appreciate the improvement better (if any) smile.gif
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post Jul 17 2009, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Jul 16 2009, 05:32 PM)
Analogue signals can easily be affected by surrounding noise and interference. So, at least speaker cables with better built quality, proper insulation and material should contribute to better shielding and thus could produce cleaner sound. So it's not about improving the sound from the source, but protecting the sound from unwanted noise. So bad quality cables could add a lot of noise. The copper itself can be oxidized faster if it was not properly protected, but we need an electrical engineer to explain the effects.

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blind test bro?
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post Jul 17 2009, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(mnhma @ Jul 16 2009, 06:39 PM)
I hear humming sound from my speaker through my Pioneer AVR, select any input also same problem. Is it because of the cable?
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Humming does not necessarily comes from the sub only...check your interconnects as well, might be a poor connection or termination. Try separating the power cables from the connecting cables also.

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