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Oct 24 2009, 09:22 AM
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Terjun Long kang wei.....better run as rasional novice rather get burn violating Warren Buffet basic rule no. 1 - never loss the capital...
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Oct 24 2009, 11:36 AM
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8,510 posts Joined: Dec 2004 From: KayEL |
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Oct 24 2009, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(mazda626 @ Oct 24 2009, 09:22 AM) Terjun Long kang wei.....better run as rasional novice rather get burn violating Warren Buffet basic rule no. 1 - never loss the capital... True but Buffet is a value investor not a trader. Therefore he hardly losses his capital and can afford to say, never lose your capital.But if you're buying counters like this, you're effectively a trader and therefore his rule no 1 doesn't apply all the time. As a trader, you must know when to cut loss. Otherwise it'll eat into your capital. For those who bought it in the 20-ies range then its better to cut loss now before it goes lower (to 18 sen?)... |
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Oct 24 2009, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE(mH3nG @ Oct 24 2009, 12:26 PM) True but Buffet is a value investor not a trader. Therefore he hardly losses his capital and can afford to say, never lose your capital. Kapten Jack Sparow abandon the Black Pearl mate.....minor loss mate But if you're buying counters like this, you're effectively a trader and therefore his rule no 1 doesn't apply all the time. As a trader, you must know when to cut loss. Otherwise it'll eat into your capital. For those who bought it in the 20-ies range then its better to cut loss now before it goes lower (to 18 sen?)... |
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Oct 25 2009, 11:30 AM
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i wonder why ur bought saag in the 1st place as ur already predit it will be down.
dun be gambling attitude in stock market. bursa is not a playground for the gambling dun play-play. just sharing. -- http://beta.nanyang.com/Newscenter/article...40&sID=7&cID=10 |
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Oct 25 2009, 12:51 PM
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2,211 posts Joined: Sep 2009 From: Kuala Lumpur |
QUOTE(sampool @ Oct 25 2009, 11:30 AM) i wonder why ur bought saag in the 1st place as ur already predit it will be down. Sorry mate I don't agree on the gambling issue.dun be gambling attitude in stock market. bursa is not a playground for the gambling dun play-play. just sharing. -- http://beta.nanyang.com/Newscenter/article...40&sID=7&cID=10 To me if you want to gamble just go ahead and be a good gambler ... talk only on the winner and the rest keep to yourself. |
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Oct 25 2009, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(sampool @ Oct 25 2009, 11:30 AM) i wonder why ur bought saag in the 1st place as ur already predit it will be down. No one buys a stock expecting the price to go down unless you're shorting it and I didn't just buy the stock a few days ago, it was a few months back when it was way above 30 sens. On hindsight I shouldn't have bought it in the first place but seeing as I'm already stuck, I might as well be a long term investor in the company.dun be gambling attitude in stock market. bursa is not a playground for the gambling dun play-play. just sharing. -- http://beta.nanyang.com/Newscenter/article...40&sID=7&cID=10 |
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Oct 25 2009, 02:40 PM
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2,211 posts Joined: Sep 2009 From: Kuala Lumpur |
QUOTE(mH3nG @ Oct 25 2009, 12:57 PM) No one buys a stock expecting the price to go down unless you're shorting it and I didn't just buy the stock a few days ago, it was a few months back when it was way above 30 sens. On hindsight I shouldn't have bought it in the first place but seeing as I'm already stuck, I might as well be a long term investor in the company. Sorry again ...I don't think averaging losses is a good strategy compared to taking the losses now and monitor the situation. Only go in when the evaluation is already positive (more often than not you will never get to this positive situation). Or forget this counter and go into a better one. |
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Oct 25 2009, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(sampool @ Oct 25 2009, 11:30 AM) i wonder why ur bought saag in the 1st place as ur already predit it will be down. Gambling and Investing are two different issue, please put in your mind that people buy a counter, hope the price will appreciate, ok?dun be gambling attitude in stock market. bursa is not a playground for the gambling dun play-play. just sharing. -- http://beta.nanyang.com/Newscenter/article...40&sID=7&cID=10 The difference between investing and gambling is the risk and return tradeoff. In investing, the odds are generally in your favor, but that doesn’t mean you’re going to make money. |
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Oct 25 2009, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(rosdi1 @ Oct 25 2009, 02:40 PM) Sorry again ... Haha, I'm not averaging down my losses in saag. No more capital to expend.I don't think averaging losses is a good strategy compared to taking the losses now and monitor the situation. Only go in when the evaluation is already positive (more often than not you will never get to this positive situation). Or forget this counter and go into a better one. I'm taking this as a learning experience if nothing else comes out from this. Added on October 25, 2009, 3:07 pm QUOTE(zamans98 @ Oct 25 2009, 02:55 PM) Gambling and Investing are two different issue, please put in your mind that people buy a counter, hope the price will appreciate, ok? I agree with zamans98. Btw, I got this off from investopediaThe difference between investing and gambling is the risk and return tradeoff. In investing, the odds are generally in your favor, but that doesn’t mean you’re going to make money. QUOTE What is the difference between investing and speculating? The main difference between speculating and investing is the amount of of risk undertaken in the trade. Typically, high-risk trades that are almost akin to gambling fall under the umbrella of speculation, whereas lower-risk investments based on fundamentals and analysis fall into the category of investing. Investors seek to generate a satisfactory return on their capital by taking on an average or below-average amount of risk. On the other hand, speculators are seeking to make abnormally high returns from bets that can go one way or the other. It should be noted that speculation is not exactly like gambling because speculators do try to make an educated decision on the direction of the trade, but the risk inherent in the trade tends to be significantly above average. As an example of a speculative trade, consider a volatile junior gold mining company that has an equal chance over the near term of skyrocketing from a new gold mine discovery or going bankrupt. With no news from the company, investors would tend to shy away from such a risky trade, but some speculators may believe that the junior gold mining company is going to strike gold and may buy its stock on a hunch. This would be speculation. As an example of investing, consider a large stable multinational company. The company may pay a consistent dividend that increases annually, and its business risk is low. An investor may choose to invest in this company over the long-term to make a satisfactory return on his or her capital while taking on relatively low risk. Additionally, the investor may add several similar companies across different industries to his or her portfolio to diversify and further lower their risk. This post has been edited by mH3nG: Oct 25 2009, 03:07 PM |
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Oct 25 2009, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE(mH3nG @ Oct 25 2009, 03:03 PM) Haha, I'm not averaging down my losses in saag. No more capital to expend. well, there are wide varieties of investment choices:I'm taking this as a learning experience if nothing else comes out from this. Added on October 25, 2009, 3:07 pm I agree with zamans98. Btw, I got this off from investopedia ranging from least risky to most risky 1) FD 2) Government Fixed Price Amanah Saham 3) Government Bond 4) Private Bond 5) Mutual Fund 6) Stock Investment 7) Option Investment (DUN TRY) 8) Future Commodities (DUN TRY) 9) Foreign Exchange 1-3: Use big money to earn little money, anyone can involve 4-6: Use moderate money to earn/loss moderate money, for professionals with extra income only after paying their life 7-9: Use small money to earn big money: My advise is never try. I don't say it will difinitely loss. But out of 1000 investors, may be only a few be the last winners. In fact, I only recommend 1-3 for normal people. And most important, never take loan to invest, no matter how greedy you are. |
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Oct 25 2009, 10:46 PM
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well, i am now doing foreign exchange which is at the top of your list.
the most important thing is to discipline yourself, and not to be greedy, take profit, even the profit margin is small, while you have the ability to do so. same goes to stock investment, i think most ppl invest in saag should know this, after we bought this counter, the price would have been rises for half cent or to a few cents during the rally, but we are too greedy to hold them until.... the party is over.. i am on of these ppl, example is oilcorp which cause me loses around 16k, i had disposed all of those share, during the rally time, my paper profit is 3k+, but i am just too greedy, attempt to get more, and now this is the price. so think clearly about strategy that is to be used on this counter..... i had already declared my standing |
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Oct 25 2009, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE(sjz @ Oct 25 2009, 10:46 PM) well, i am now doing foreign exchange which is at the top of your list. Yeah.. just make sure we understand the strategy needed.the most important thing is to discipline yourself, and not to be greedy, take profit, even the profit margin is small, while you have the ability to do so. same goes to stock investment, i think most ppl invest in saag should know this, after we bought this counter, the price would have been rises for half cent or to a few cents during the rally, but we are too greedy to hold them until.... the party is over.. i am on of these ppl, example is oilcorp which cause me loses around 16k, i had disposed all of those share, during the rally time, my paper profit is 3k+, but i am just too greedy, attempt to get more, and now this is the price. so think clearly about strategy that is to be used on this counter..... i had already declared my standing If you want to hold long, buy blue chip at near end of bear market or beginning of bull market. For FOREX, just follow the trend and make sure don't leverage too much, later margin call then no more chance. |
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Oct 26 2009, 01:23 AM
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tmw i will buy 100lot to averaging losses .
my neighbour tell me saag will rise up soon. dun miss the boat |
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Oct 26 2009, 01:30 AM
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Oct 26 2009, 01:42 AM
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yeah...why ?? any reason it going to go up ??
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Oct 26 2009, 02:10 AM
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forget ask reason . but i trust she. bought knm 0.325 the lowest price also listen to her.
Added on October 26, 2009, 2:12 am平 凡 人 致 富 的 方 法 只 有 三 种 : 第 一 , 生 对 胎 , 出 生 在 有 钱 人 的 家 。 第 二 , 找 对 人 , 另 一 半 是 有 钱 人 。 如 果 你 出 生 平 凡 , 而 又 结 过 婚 , 那 么 你 只 剩 下 最 后 一 个 方 法 , 那 就 是 : 第 三 , 努 力 储 蓄 , 大 胆 投 资 (买股票)。 This post has been edited by rememberyou: Oct 26 2009, 02:12 AM |
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Oct 26 2009, 02:25 AM
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QUOTE(rememberyou @ Oct 26 2009, 02:10 AM) forget ask reason . but i trust she. bought knm 0.325 the lowest price also listen to her. If making bcoz listen to her, but if lozz bcoz listen to her meh ? Added on October 26, 2009, 2:12 am平 凡 人 致 富 的 方 法 只 有 三 种 : 第 一 , 生 对 胎 , 出 生 在 有 钱 人 的 家 。 第 二 , 找 对 人 , 另 一 半 是 有 钱 人 。 如 果 你 出 生 平 凡 , 而 又 结 过 婚 , 那 么 你 只 剩 下 最 后 一 个 方 法 , 那 就 是 : 第 三 , 努 力 储 蓄 , 大 胆 投 资 (买股票)。 |
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Oct 26 2009, 08:14 AM
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Oct 26 2009, 09:52 AM
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Looking back at this thread, still some BUY CALL.
Listen and listen hard - OIL PRICE is HIGH, it will fall back to $70-75. Even with this price, there will be NO NEW CONTRACT(s) for SAAG. KNM also no new contract. |
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