My question is simple. Does Ryan Giggs deserve this award?

For me, he do not deserve this award. He did not start enough games even to win this award. Look, I'm not bitter that a Manutd player won this award. I really think Vidic or Van der Sar should won it instead. Just had this feeling that the FA gave this award to Giggs because this is somehow his last season to perform in the top flight. Maybe the gave him on sentimental purpose seeing that he had been in the Premier League forever but had never win this award.


Correct me if I'm wrong. The six nominated players are Ferdinand, Van der Sar, Ronaldo, Vidic, Giggs and Gerrard.
For me, PFA should go to Vidic.

Votes come from players? Well I've said before that I feel the process will always be flawed if you involve the opinions of people who "work" together and know one another. More often that not, sentiments do affect judgement and having contributed to much over the years, I'm not surprised that he's won it to be honest. I don't agree with it but I can understand it. He is a model pro on and off the pitch and it's natural for people to like him. Having said that he does have great ability though he has somewhat dulled with age.

I'd like to start by first saying I think it's a joke to have 5 players from the same club nominated, more so if it's the players themselves that voted. If the votes were based purely on performance this season, I'd have to say that I disagree with the result. Take away the fact that Giggs was virtually unstoppable in his day because we are just looking at this season. I don't think I'm in a position to make a judgement on who should win because I watch Liverpool matches mainly and Gerrard is currently the 2nd highest scorer in the league, an achievement of sorts surely. I hear Man Utd fans saying that Vidic should win it and maybe he should.

In short, I disagree with the result.

gerard owns...

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Added on April 27, 2009, 2:00 pmor probably babel

This post has been edited by slickdeals: Apr 27 2009, 02:00 PM

In terms of performance in this season, i'd say it's not really his award. BUT in terms of his overall contribution for the game, I'd rather see him win it rather than anyone else. He is class, on and off the field.

Stop trolling. You're putting your team at disgrace.

Player of the Year award basically means best player for that year only, no? He'll probably deserve Player of the Decade award.

IINM, the poll for the nominees was done somewhere around February. that's where the system go wrong. how can you decide the nominees on the February when the season does not end until May?

I only believe in wat is on the title...

Player of the "Year"

so unless its glaringly so that he has become some sort of a force that turns games around or even win it or at least create something historic this year from plays, then I think its kinda odd he was chosen to win.

I would have though a certain individual from a Blue perspective to have won it

on a side note: if he was chosen for Player of the "Decade" then the point would have been moot

Like the award name itself, it should be awarded to the best performing player on that particular year.For my understanding, even Lampard who didn't make into the list is better than him this year.

No doubt, his last 10years or so were great but this aint Player Of The Decade award.Anyway, for his on and off field attitude, he surely deserves something big before the day he hangs his boots.

he dont deserve player of the year.. it shud be between gerrard or vidic or lampard.

ryan giggs is Player of the Decade!!! that's more like it!

10 premiership medals, with possibility of getting the 11th, he was underrated by FA! heheh!

This post has been edited by yikerk: Apr 27 2009, 02:12 PM

dun blame him .. blame those guys who voted for him. if those guys felt he deserved to win the award ... its them who were clouded in his judgement. but i LOL when fans argue abt this award where the players themselves or their idols might have voted for him. who know maybe gerrard voted for him too .. lol .. we will never know .. cheers to all ...

First of all, noone is blaming him. We all thought Giggs is a superb footballer but its just that this season, he had not done anything impressive for his name to be up there.

Yeah I know Fabregas could have voted him. Theo could have voted him. They are my idols but you don't share the same thinking as you idols, do you?

Seriously, the timing of giving out the award is ridiculous.They should have given that after the season ends or so...

yeah.. april or may would be better..or after the season end..summer holiday got no event what..

anyway congrats giggsy!! win this award or not, you are legend!!

probably you are right....i oso feel weird the award being given during the season...

look at the ballon d'or...it is only awarded next season...that should give them more time to analyze a player performance thoroughly....that's why it has been so prestige to won it...

for performance wise, i do not agree giggs could have won it as my votes goes for vidic....but like most of the ppl have mention....the votes is cast by fellow premier league player...so we have not much of final say here...

but still i think PFA awards should be proud of giggs becoz one of the greatest, dedicate and decorated player has won it...

lol, i think you read the context wrongly... no one is blaming Gigsy, and definitely not thinking he deserves less... but the whole reason for this award is "Player of the YEAR", by making it look like a charity award to a great player only cheapens it to the point it is laughable and not honorable...

so please do not jump into the conclusion it's his fault... on the contrary i think he was cheated of something that could have meant a whole lot more

This post has been edited by REDShaun: Apr 27 2009, 02:25 PM

He deserves the award. But other players that have done more this year probably deserved it more.

Oh well, it's nice seeing a model professional getting something that has been long anticipated by his trophy cabinet (exception of the World Cup medal of course)

thats why most pundits thinks its half PFA year award.

anyway,

if this is PFA season 1990/2009 yes he deserved it. otherwise, not really.

and about those who thinks he deserved it after his tip top form for the past decade,yes i agree but hey this is not for decade it is for 1 season.

for what i see, the players and coach who votes are making their judgment based on his contribution from the past, this is like " PFA Recognition of contribution award 2009" .

anyway,he already won it,congratulations !

i as MU fan, happy for giggs...but i tink Vidic deserves it more...u see during the 12-game goalless shut outs....ferdinand wasn't thr most of the time....VDS din haf to do much....it was Vidic...maybe the OT performance against Liverpool made him lose lol....anyways cheers to Giggsy....super servant

I believe it was Vidic who should be winning the PFA award. He was brilliant in Man Utd's defence. No matter who partnered him in defence, whether it's Ferdinand or Evans or even Neville, he help to keep the clean sheets single handedly. So, hands down it should be Vidic's title.

Maybe, just maybe the game against Liverpool destroyed the whole contribution that he made for the previous 13 games. One game is enough to spoil the whole thing. But nevertheless, he have been shaky after since and Man Utd have been leaking unessary goals. But still, he deserved it far more than Giggs.

this award voted by player or by coach??? or both???

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Added on April 27, 2009, 2:52 pmbtw he already won it....keep moving forwards guyz...

This post has been edited by skystrike: Apr 27 2009, 02:52 PM

I would say among current and Ex - MU player, I would love to see Giggs in Liverpool shirts... but only it could happen...

Great player nonetheless, but not for this season...

wow...that's the most robust thing i've ever heard frm a liverpool fan haha

okie sorry then ... those who voted are emotional creature perhaps ? mebbe they think oh .. giggs have played so well since the premiership started and have not won it and votes for him ..

u think this is cheap lulz ... do you guys do u remember the ballon d'or ..?? lol ... most of the time its a joke also

totally deserve it...
despite his age, he outrun, out dribble and definitely out skilled most of the premier league midfielders...
he dun have to make splash when every game, he's solid...

Like many others said, it's probably due to his overall contribution. I feel Giggs deserves a place in the FA Premier League Hall of Fame more than a Player of the Year award.

This is a further prove that footballers knows nothing about football. There are at least 5 players that is a more worthy winners of the award than Giggs based on this YEAR's contribution.
Maybe I am biased, but of all the 6 nominees, I feel that if you are to choose one of the 6, then it can only be Gerrard, my reasoning, asas follow:

Ronaldo - didn't live up to even half the performance of last season, went missing too many times.

Van Der Sar - It's a joke to have him here, yes, he is holding the record for longest minutes without conceeding, but please go and watch the matches of the videos again, how many saves he has to make during those times?

Giggs - Started only 12 times this season, not enough pitch time to properly assess.

Ferdinand - while I never rate him, but he has been shaky this season, if not for Vidic, his mistakes would've probably cost Man U the title already.

Vidic - perhaps closest rival to Gerrard for the gong, as the voting is done in February, his mistakes in the Liverpool game and after that would not have mattered, was instrumental in the run of clean sheets. Having said that, perhaps didn't do enough to change the result of the game to be named player of the year.

Gerrard - We know all about him, how he has single handedly dragged Liverpool over the line in those years, and has been inspirational to those all around him, as mentioned, maybe I am biased, but to me he should win it.


If you want to know my choices of nominees, they are:

Vidic - Deserve to be at least nominated
Gerrard - As above
Lampard - hated the guy, but played very well this season
Schwartzer - Yes he played for Boro, but he single handedly kept Boro in many games behind that dodgy defence of theirs.
Alonso - Why is he not in the list is a baffling one, dictates the game well and one of the reason Liverpool is still challenging.
Barry - I know he didn't do as well as last few season, but after the fiasco of Liverpool and Arsenal, he bucked up and as inspirational to the team.

Well the poster is clearly asking for our opinions and not those of the players we idolise. I did say that it is flawed because the players know him and sentiments will affect their decisions. It is unlike having a panel of strangers with totally neutral perspectives. I don't really care if Gerrard voted for him, my opinion stands.

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Added on April 27, 2009, 4:11 pmHe is also playing for Fulham mate. Brad Jones and Ross Turnbull have been rotated between the sticks at the Riverside.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Apr 27 2009, 04:11 PM

ok sorry to derail the topic lol ..

call me a softie la .. if it was me .. i would have voted for him as well lol .. it would been a tough choice between vidic and giggs

On your post.

Ronaldo - probably the 1st half season he were poor, but 2nd half i'm sure he is starting to pick up his form...not that poor as you mention here if you were to look into the top scorer in BPL...

Van Der Sar - When i were telling reina is making few save then the rest last season i got blast from your fellow forumer.... yes VDS might be making less save but a goalkeeper is not about saves only after all is still down to how he commanded his defender...

Giggs- Probably started less time, but prove to be crucial everytime he started or even came off the bench...

Vidic - you must kidding here...you yourself say he is instrumental for the cleansheet yet you say he did not change the result of the game...just think how many point that man utd have gain from the 1-0 scoreline...and he do have few vital goal (eg. vs sunderland) too.

Gerrard - i'm not going to argue with you about gerrard as i do agree he do have the same shout as vidic....

The FA gave it to Giggs? Feck me, some ppl must learn to read before making statements. The voting process was conducted by players, who are in this case his fellow peers. I've said before that there are other names who probably deserved it alot more than him in the first place. Lampard for instance was the driving force behind Chelsea and if not for him the Scolari led side would have been very far off the pace. For this I would rate him top, even above Gerrard this season. Jagielka has been a rock for Everton, like how Vidic was for United. But I can certainly understand why the votes were swayed to Giggsy. Everything aside, looking at the six nominees, five were of United. It could so easily have been Gerrard instead, becoz the votes for United players will likely be divided among themselves and ABU's would have written Gerrard on the list. Fact that Giggs won it says alot about how much his fellow pros thought of him and his services to British football. I can understand why some ppl might feel bitter becoz an undeserving United fan won it (not every1), but in this case I'm afraid if it wasn't Giggs it would have been Vidic anyways. I don't watch every club's games but Vidic was immense for us this season. Of course, Gerrard gets more of the plaudits becoz he scores goals (and we know how defenders get the shorter end of the publicity) and he's English.

I liken this to the Martin Scorcese case. The Departed wasn't an awesome movie, but he won an Academy Award which was long overdue for his past contributions. End of the day, I agree that he wasn't the best player by a country mile compared to the rest this year (but who was really?) but I can see why he won it.

seriously i loled at this comment.....

Vidic not doing enuff to influence the result? Coz he's a defender?

From a neutral/ spectator point of view, Vidic deserves the PFA award more.
His consistent performance throughout the season is the main reason MU sitting comfortably from the start till now.

Oops, think still warped in last season...

Understood your sentiments and opinion, the thing is that Ronaldo, for all his talent and ability, did not influence much this season, which is probably why Man U wasn't running away with the title. Granted, he is the top scorer thus far, but goals doesn't mean that he is playing well. He sulked more often this season, and somehow lose his form.

Not going to argue with you about VDS and Reina, just that they are very different player, with different quality, but to nominate him as one of the players of the year is a joke. To be honest, I'd say Shay Given deserves it more, as he was playing behind a joke of a defence.

Giggs - enough said, he won it, whether he deserves it or not. A more appropriate award would be "Premier League lifetime achievement award"

Vidic - He didn't change the result of the game is because defenders generally got the short end of the stick and every mistake will result in goal, just like keepers. I am guilty of not rating defenders as much, while I think he played a part in the cleansheets, the oppositions also played a part. Like you, along with Gerrard, I think it should really between those two, amongst the 6 that they nominated.

I think most of us come to one conclusion.

Giggs don't deserve it as vidic and others surely deserve the gong more than giggs.

Giggs won it?

The deceased Heath Ledger won the oscar. That's what we called deserved.

lol, seriously, the whole gripe here is not whether Gigsy won it, it was the way it was given to him... man, if I was Giggs and got something I definitely did not deserve this year based on an award that is "Player of the YEAR", i would feel like it was charity..which after serving for so long seems to steal some thunder out of the whole ordeal.

geez ppl, it's not whether a Man U player, and Arsenal Player, a Liverpool player or any player took it that is the case, its the way they gave it to him that demeans the fact he was a great player for so long... I rather they come out with an appreciation award or something.

this just shows how erm ... an award that is suppose to reward a great player YEARLY can be turned into a "sentimental giveaway" to a player that has served a decade

if everyone here doesn't see the wrong in that, better scrap yearly awards for hardwork then and just come out with a "Sorry we almost forgot your Contribution" award ... LAWL

dun u guys think when the vote are cast by the players, they are DUMB enough to misread 'year' with 'lifetime achievement' or any mumbo jumbo?
i dun think they are and they cast their votes with that in mind and that include whoever u supported who are in the game and knows more than any of us...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Apr 27 2009, 04:43 PM

rumah sudah siap, pahat masih berbunyi..
anyway, congrats to him!!!
great achievement!!!

I think one of our posters posted in the Man Utd thread and I think that post nailed it.

The reason why most of you think that Giggs doesn't deserve the award is because you guys haven't seen most of the games that Giggs played this season. His performance vs Chelsea was personally my fav this season. That's why we United certainly thinks that he deserves the award, even though he was less flamboyant this season. Do not let the fact that he only started 12 games disillusion the fact that he was brilliant in all of them.

edited to prevent flame war version 9000

This post has been edited by skystrike: Apr 27 2009, 05:11 PM

hmmm flame baiting? thats low, even froma cat faced with smiles...

the bottomline is Player of the YEAR

if vidic won it, it would be with no gripe either dude, so basically dun flame bait for no reason, it demeans posting on the forums

Just when everything seems to be on track for the right discussion.Someone will appear as a hero, representing the rest to start something unnecessary that will definitely lead to flame war...Sigh...

We only see him on tv when ever he is near the ball. Those voters / players played against him. Note that Man Utd players cannot vote for their own teammates. It is not that 3 or 5 judges decide on the award. It was voted by all the BPL players.

Well granted there are certainly more deserving nominees than Giggs this year, but sometimes I think awards are given out not purely based on that. Well in this case sentiments and under achievement (in terms of personal accolades) on Giggs' side helped to convince fellow peers to vote for him.

Yes, he is not deserving of it this year. But awards are given as a mark of recognition, and I guess they see that Giggs should win it before he hangs his boots.

What if it's 2017, Gerrard is what, 35 or something, and he still hasn't won the award before? As a rival player, I'd like to think I'd vote for an immense player like Gerrard, if he's had a fairly good season, and if there wasn't any outstanding or clear-cut nominee that year.

I understand why people are dissatisfied over Giggs' win, but I have to say I also understand why people would vote for him. And that's that.

torres should be included in the PFA man, ryan giggs? wth?

They should rename PFA award to "Lifetime Achievement" Award.

Heck on this logic...Nani will win this award if if keeps playing till 35...

Teddy Sheringham would be wondering... "WTF!? how come i didnt get some..."

P.S My player of the year goes to Vidic or Gerrard

Are you sure? Does that mean every single manu players have no choice but to vote for Gerrard? I don't think so.

first day watch football? gerrard already won it and somehow some other teams have a much bigger reaction than now

Teddy won it at 00/01 fyi, and he was awesome that year.

I think they vote based on sentiment as well, not that they are dumb. There is a difference.

i think he meant teddy havent won the lifetime achievement award

btw u can argue as much as u can but the results will never change until next season...

what a way to evade.

i like ryan giggs.his got his own style to whack others team.pity for him coz nvr win this award.he deserve this long2 time ago.anyway congrat to him.


p/s:dun talk cock ler.he deserve to win it.

Is not about changing the winner and getting another player to win the award.


Is about whether Giggs deserve it or not.

my answer is yes....he deserve it....even any player from other team win that award....its mean they deserve it...

nice comeback, although I don't think there was a said "argument" to begin with.

again, flame baiting is frown upon and you just stepped on line no.2

peace, and hope for more constructive statements from you in the near future...

Don't know much about him, just watched him play a few matches,he wasn't impressive. Can't imagine he got this award

I watched both Aston Villa and Sunderland match and decided to crown Macheda the Young Player of The Year.

Although he is relatively new to BPL. He is more capable than Ashley Young.

I'll take Benayoun for saving Liverpool so many times this season.

well u should watch him play more.....after that its up to u to decide whether he is deserve this award or not...

no one can challenge ashley young in england.he is the best young player this season.

People keep talking about how many bpl medals he has, cl medals...But that's not the point.

The PFA Player of the year award is not given because of the number of medals you have.Period.

You can play badly in 10 games , still getting the medals when your team won the league even if you start most of the match on bench.

That's not the measurement of it to judge whether he deserves it or not.

i sincerely believe that the TS started this thread merely for discussion, not to brag about 'my player is better than yours' issues. let's keep discussion relevant.

i did not vote in this poll but i think giggs deserves the PFA award. yes, he may have played fewer compared to other candidates this season, but in a way perhaps majority of the players who voted for him have the same opinion as i do, that for a player who have won so many in his career this is probably one award which he should land.

yes, in the course of one season he hasn't been the most prominent player, but again, this is only my personal opinion because i'm biasly leaning towards a player who i thought should've won it years ago. okay, that's a personal opinion so i hope this post won't cause any unnecessary arguments.

the award have been already awarded to him..no need to be so emo..

btw, my choices: Gerrard, jagielka, vidic or Lampard..

so what is the measurement to judge whether he deserve that award in your own point of view???

Giggs
League
12 starts, 11 sub app.
1236 minutes.
1 goal (1 first goal of match).
CL
8 Apps, 1 goal

I don't talk cock. I present you stats, whether you like it or not.

This is from a Liverpool fan

AS much as I hate to say it, Ryan Giggs is one hell of a player, one of the rare breed of British who can dribble and change the game, the fact that as he aged, he uses his speed lesser and lesser, played in a more central role to make use of his game intelligence and experience to hurt to opposition, have to give him that. On top of that, he has 10 league titles and is on course for his 11th (not if we can do somehting about it), he is one of the legends of the game, having scored in EVERY of the Premier League season, the only player who has done so so far.

However, as much as a legend he is, there are more deserving winners of the award (this year), the thing is that it is a farce that the PL did not come up with a Premier league llifetime achievement award to give to him is a stupid move, that would take the sentiments away and give the award to more deserving player, Vidic, Gerrard, Lampard (whoever you choice is) and the arguement / debate would be more even.

Having said that, as mentioned, I think sentiments has a lot to do with this year's awards, which cheapens it.

and again.. because of the "he should have won it becos he has been a great player" turns an award that rewards hard working players yearly into a sentimental one to a player like Giggs who actually deserves something outstanding on its own...

There is no way he deserves it this year. He deserves it years before.

I believe vidic, gerrard and lampard(shocking name that didnt make into the list) should have won it instead of him.

Is hard to convince people.They will start thinking that I m being bias, bitter of it.But the facts show otherwise.Vidic's impressive clean sheet records, Gerrard and lampard's point saving goals, I don't know why someone say that Giggs deserves it. He deserves to win it previous years but certainly not this year.

i agree with u in this bolded part...nevermind la...

walao...wat to evade...truth is thr...

darksider lol...don't know much about giggs? den u dunno much about the premiership la dei....he was there since Premier League started in 1992...

always understand the reasoning for the PFA and the reason it was created was to reward an individual based on the performance in a year

is it so hard to understand that? I mean seriously... its like income per annum, its like GDP per year... which part of per year or yearly is hard to understand??

we are not like saying... OMG!!! A MANC WON!!! WE HAVE TO PROTEST!!!

geez... LOL

talking bout point saving goals and improvement...benayoun oso din make the list ler...i tink he's a dam scary opponent to face

If goals and appearences being counted, Ronaldo would have won it.

Well everyone is freely to express their own sentiments. The fact that Giggs had been voted as POTY by players showed something. If all of United players voted for Giggs, then tell me, where does the other votes came from? Undi hantu ka?

18 teams, consists of at least 11 players. 209 other team's votes VS 11 United votes. I wonder? Whether being a sub or first 11 this season, he has done his duties superbly. Just because he doesn't feature much does not mean he doesn't deserved it.

I think one thread was created on the nominated players. As what have been said there, I do think some of United players shouldn't even be listed at all. Heck, I wonder how FA missed on Jagielka.

very funny meh

precisely,people are just debating if giggs really do deserved it or not
nothing more than that
i personally felt Vidic should win it,base on his overall performance on this "season"
not overall performance on his life time career
but i do admit...im fan of giggs during his prime time,classic dribbling skills at its best
normally when they announced this type of awards...we would usually go "yea,he deserved it"
but not this season,it gives the "huh,why giggs?" feeling, hence such thread is created
so to Man Utd fans,chillaks
nth is going to change the fact that giggs is the PFA winner this year
we are just merely discussing or debating,whichever u call it

There goes, they will keep repeating

" He has 10 premier league medals and 2 cl medals, you know?"

and then, we all get to know that people nowadays do not know how to differentiate

"sentimental" and "well deserved"


@longamwai:
Like I said, the list itself is a failed nomination lists.Why is Lampard not there? As much as I hate him, he deserves to be there...Same goes to Jagielka...

This post has been edited by solstice818: Apr 27 2009, 05:34 PM

u wanna cry please cry at the people who voted giggs...majority said giggs should win it...what more do u want to say?lol

Was Ryan Giggs the best player this year? No. Does he deserve a personal accolade to recognise the fact that he's stayed in one club/league and played a massive role in the development of the current best league in the world? Yes. End of. Its not like United gets an extra 3 points for having the best player in of the season in their club. If the players voted for him, leave it be at that. If an independent panel had voted the same way, some of you would have jumped on them and claimed that Fergie paid them off. Sheesh. These kinda decisions will never please anyone. Like when Torres did not win the best player of the Euro 08 award. I recall many of you claiming he was the best among the best in that tourney.

I understand the argue of the winner for the PFA POTY award this year. Perhaps they should publicized the vote like what they did in World Player of the Year/Ballon D'Or, that would have shut a lot of people's mouth. But asking me whether Giggs deserve it or not? Yes, but based on sentimental value (though he's been consistently good in all the game he played albeit not that frequent). Is there more deserving winners from the other nominees? This one I beg to differ. VDS for all his CS record hardly had a save to make, Ferdinand has been in and out of the game, Ronaldo for all his goals isn't the same as last season, Gerard was having some injury problems as well, Vidic is the most consistent of all until the Liv game (though the poll would have finish by then). They call it the tightest poll for this year as no one really stands out, understandably the sentimental value came in. And why not? If everyone about on par, the sentiments does bring another extra factor in deciding it.

You see... That's always the case.We are all here, discussing, there goes someone trying spark things up.

What majority are you talking about? If you are saying the poll result, save your breath.We all know > 70% of Football Lounge posters are manu fans.

I'm a Liverpool fans but I respect Giggs for his on and off field attitude.I admit that I like him as he is a great footballer but that doesn't make me bias in voicing out my opinion.I didn't say that manu player don't deserve it.I'm saying that Giggs definitely don't deserve it.Vidic, alone deserve the gong more than Giggs.

There is a difference between being a rational supporter and a supporter supporting the club blindly.

wow,u hate my hero!? lol

and again, its not about massive roled played since a decade ago

and again, its not about massive role in development in the team over the years

and again, its not about what he has done all these years.

is it really so hard to understand that it is about this year? PFA is for this year... not about lifetime achievements or etc etc

I agree with this tho "Was Ryan Giggs the best player this year? No." .. you said it yourself, and if I may ask again, is this Award for the Player of the Year or for the Player of the Decade?

You all know the answer which is just funny how it can still be said it is truly deserving

oh well, whatever we say, it'll still look like an attack on a Manc i guess.. so

Peace out

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/sports/152...e-change-needed

http://www.football.co.uk/liverpool/pfa_pl..._rss90088.shtml

I won't be surprise if Gary Neville and Paul Scholes in the list of nominees come next season.

Complete joke.

majority = PFA members

I posted before that I liken this to the Martin Scorcese case. Of course he wasn't the best player this season. He was awarded this by his fellow peers, so if theres anything it would probably to question their wisdom in choosing him. In the first place, the poll is flawed becoz the TS suggested that it was the FA who handed out the award when in fact it was voted for by fellow players. Your beef is obviously with them. Why is it so friggin' hard to comprehend that the larger majority of players voted for him?

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Added on April 27, 2009, 5:55 pmCan we just close this thread? Some posters are making this a venue for their nonsensical thoughts. If Pool fans think he doesn't deserve it so be it. Go make your own trophy and hand it over to who you see fit.

This post has been edited by Hevrn: Apr 27 2009, 05:55 PM

lol that was my post i think
that game he totally outclassed every chelsea midfielder...
chasing after the ball faster than any of those young mid fielders could, getting the ball through etc...
at that age, its superb...

and why doubting the award when its voted by footballers who are exprienced in the game?
if it was fan vote, it make sense...
but this? /facepalm
comeon i'm sure they are really aware that they are voting for player of the year and not lifetime...
so dun bring those lifetime/ decade talk in plz...

then let me ask u this, how do u know?
the award say player of the year...
dun tell me every1 voted giggs cause of sentiment?
i think each player vote based on different point of view and ideology thus lets nt jz say its sentiment or feeling pity...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Apr 27 2009, 06:00 PM

i hope mod can close this thread...this discussion become ridiculous with some fan that cant even accept the fact.....im off....

if you read my earlier post, in which i seriously doubt, you would see that I am all for Giggs winning something for what he has done... which is to say something more deserving than now that has the majority of ppl going " huh? why giggs?.. is he retiring?"

he deserves an award long time back for his outstanding play and resilience in the field... but unfortunately for him, he didn't win it those times when he should have.

instead, now his fellow players just short changed him and gave him an award that is irrelevant to what he has done this year and actually raised doubts for the validity of it, which cheapens the man's contribution. for a liverpool fan I would hate any of my players to have an award that i know he did not mean to get this year... i seriously thought it would have been Vidic (dun be so surprise.. I am a big fan of the Big man)

It is because I understand it was the players that voted for him that gave credence to it being a sentimental gift more than a deserving award this year for the outstanding winger he was. that is just plain sad...

and your addon quip is undeserving to even be included... be a bigger man than that.. please

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Added on April 27, 2009, 6:03 pmtypical closing eh?

anyway peace out

This post has been edited by REDShaun: Apr 27 2009, 06:03 PM

Why so hard to understand whether it's based on sentiments or not.

Provided this award the only jigsaw missing of Giggs's collection, and throughout the outstanding career and now come close to the end, as the token of appreciation.

It's the same reaction i can foresee if Gerrard won it, Mancs fans will say why it's not Vida, Cristiano Ronaldo but not Giggs, right?

Anyway, i am making my plastic cup for my own celebration, where you can take this PFA to complete your quintuple quest.

Wow, so suddenly you're now the authority on whats nonsensical or whats not? Read up a few posts, you'll see how some ppl are instead posting bitterly instead of using their heads. In case you don't know I didn't refer that bottom line to you, unless of course you felt the sting of it. Big man, huh. Suck your statement back a bit, and come back to me on whether its you or me who needs to grow bigger cajones. (see what I did there?)

I thought I made it clear that Giggs wasn't the best player this season. Most of us agree that he was far from the best player in 08/09 (read back my earlier posts, which I doubt you did ).

congrats ryan giggs. totally deserve it. Legend.


This post has been edited by ob8: Apr 27 2009, 06:14 PM