Yeah Gerrard and Torres are there but only 2 are not from Man Utd, Chelsea or Liverpool. Once again, it reinforces the disparity between the big clubs and the rest of the league. I'm not sure how the voting system goes but by this logic, the team should have comprised totally of Arsenal players when they won the league while going unbeaten. Players at smaller clubs are paid little or no notice which is sad.

It isn't about hating your rivals, it's about disagreeing with the system and I think quite a number of posters were able to articulate their opinions, instead of posting dismissive comments like, "aiyah you all only complain because you all hate us".

im nt saying anything bad about anyone just making sure lah...after those fellas come in and say "WTF, whr my lampard, whr my Kuyt, whr Fabregas..." sure got some ppl who take offence to the Team Of the year selection right...but aiyo once again...who cares about team of the year..lol

and again this point has been overlook and treated like a direct attack.. which is to say "expected"

You have a point, it really doesn't matter. I've never been big on these awards anyway. I mean it doesn't really add any value to a team's performance. It does however show appreciation I guess.

I agree wtih the "where's Lampard, etc" type comments. I mean it's simple; they weren't voted. I don't think it's right to question why people voted for so and so. I mean it's their right to vote for who they wish but I think we can question how credible their opinions are, if this makes sense.

the million dollar question ----> do we deserve to question ryan giggs PFA award winning wether he deserve or not?

answer---> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

my opinion,
giggs = deserve to win
gerard=deserve to win
vds=deserve to win
vida= deserve to win
jagielka=deserve to win
lampard=deserve to win

all deserve to win, it just happen that ryan giggs win it this time...so let it be

i completely agree to this. eventho i am a liverpool fan but i am too a fan of giggs, giggs should win the award years ago, thats when he truely deserves it, imo the PFA award this year should go to either gerrard or lampard. Giggs deserve to enter a legend state, not PFA palyer of the year, maybe player of the decade or MU hall of fame.

Wrong. What is the point in having a discussion then? If you wish to adopt a "it's right because I said so" approach, I'm betting you won't enjoy yourself here because from what I understand, forums are for discussion. We aren't all lemmings here.

Cool bro...let me fix it then.....

This post has been edited by ashportal: Apr 28 2009, 02:47 PM

Vidic should have won it. But then again the voting was done by players, so who knows how many bore a grudge against his tough tackling style

Here are Giggs' stats for those who are interested:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=8853&cc=4716

People keep harping on his 12 starts but I believe whenever he started, he played well. And when he came off the bench, he made a difference. This is true most of the time unless the entire team was offkey (ugh Liverpool matches).

A true professional.

When's the last time you heard something scandalous about Giggs? A player's player, that is what the PFA voted for.

Your sarcasm is noted, and so is your lack of logic.

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Added on April 28, 2009, 3:01 pmIf you've read previous posts, no one is doubting his credentials on and off the pitch. The argument but forth is that the award is based on a players performance this season and not spanning his entire career. I'm sure he's a top bloke but it isn't based on how nice he is.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Apr 28 2009, 03:01 PM

I feel that's why Giggs won it (in additional to his impact as a player). I do think the other nominees deserved to win as well but each had their "cons" for the year.

According to the awards ceremony, 2nd place was Stevie G. Gerrard was injured early in the season (August?) and for a stretch Liverpool looked lost without their talisman. And then there was the assault thing, I guess.

Actually looking at the video, Giggs didn't seem particularly overjoyed when his name was announced as the winner. If anything, I thought he looked annoyed

Gerrard was injured but we can't give the prize to players who played every game. In fact some of our best results came without Gerrard (against Man Utd and Chelsea). I'm guessing you meant to imply that he missed games because of his assault charge? I'm not suggesting that Gerrard should win it, but based purely on performance on the pitch, I can see why he's 2nd at least.

i don't know if the performance from lampard and gerrard is called consitently perform or outstanding ...

especially gerarrd, every season also 10 goals minimun ...

so this year, people want to to choose someone who is not them ...

I'm saying the assault charge dragged his name into the mud, otherwise he would have won it. Perhaps there are some of his peers who simply thought "he shouldn't have done that". Of course this shouldn't have any bearing whatsoever on his performances on the pitch, but who knows what the players talk about among themselves. After all, the voters are still human.

I guess I'm saying Gerrard lost the award, instead of Giggs winning it outright.

[quote=Duke Red,Apr 28 2009, 02:59 PM]
Your sarcasm is noted, and so is your lack of logic.

Thanks Mr.100% correct

[quote=ray123,Apr 28 2009, 03:28 PM]I'm saying the assault charge dragged his name into the mud, otherwise he would have won it. Perhaps there are some of his peers who simply thought "he shouldn't have done that". Of course this shouldn't have any bearing whatsoever on his performances on the pitch, but who knows what the players talk about among themselves. After all, the voters are still human.

I guess I'm saying Gerrard lost the award, instead of Giggs winning it outright.

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Hmm you have a point there. Still I can't say who deserves to win it as I don't watch every EPL game each week and my opinion will thus be a little biased towards Liverpool.

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Added on April 28, 2009, 3:56 pm[quote=ashportal,Apr 28 2009, 03:52 PM]
[quote=Duke Red,Apr 28 2009, 02:59 PM]
Your sarcasm is noted, and so is your lack of logic.

Thanks Mr.100% correct

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Thanks for acknowledging that fact

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Apr 28 2009, 03:56 PM

well the voters is human as stated, and they do feel incline to give Gigsy a vote based on his contributions, but clear winners were infact other than Gigsy to be exact.

Maybe thats why when we see the vid, he was annoyed... he probably thought "am i getting this as a parting gift?" , i think even he thought his mate Vidic should have won it

It's unfair to say Ronaldo is not performing this year, if your comparing his performance compared to last year, of course it can't be compared, but lets just review on how he did this season shall we? He is the top scorer in the league now, the same as last year, and his not good enough? Some players drop their steam since last year, eg. Fernando Torres. Ronaldo missing to many times? If you recall... Ronaldo was injured to pre-season, took 1 month to come back after injury, and he tops the goal scoring charts. I think he is the only one of the players from the team that is always on the team sheet, and he rarely gets injured, unlike Torres and Gerrard. I admit Gerrard is influential, but Liverpool depends on him to much.

It jus occurred to me ...

Wud Giggs have appreciated winning the award as much as United fans or the voters have?

Forget the fans back here or in the stands, forget the voters or the panel who nominated, but think abt Giggsy himself. Hes honest to earth, and he wud be the best judge of whether he deserves the award or not. He takes it home with him, and he'll look back at the year on the plaque and it'd say Players' Player 2008/09... Did I deserve this one?

I think he'd probably say hell yeah!...IF we win the title Or else, this could just be a parting gift, so long, farewell...

That video they depicted at the awards, wasnt him in this season, it was him over his career. They even included the FA Cup goal against Arsenal. Thats more like a bye bye gesture than a season-long recognition.

Having said that, id tell you lot to stop thinking abt statistics and look at what he brought to the table, or the field, which we cant quantify. That desire and hunger is the pure reason why a team succeeds. It pushes u to the brim, and he still has that, and he influences the young ones in the side.

I look at the video of him receiving the award and I ask myself ... Did he deserve this one?

Id say Hell Yeah!

Gerrard (who i think has been phenomenal) and Lamps (Superfrank) and Vida (Terminator) ... Im sure they'd agree.. Giggsy deserved it most this season .. and theres a tonne of seasons to go on and win it in the future

It is noted that Stevie G took the runner's up spot. Minus the sentimental values which might profited Giggs in winning the title, I would have thought Vidic should take that spot instead. This really shows that as a defender, you don't really get all the plaudits and recognition you deserve no matter how consistent you are. Everyone's been talking about perhaps how Giggs shouldn't get the accolade, but let's say without him in the list, I would have foreseen Gerard to take home the title instead. And the discussion thread will perhaps be change to does Stevie G deserve the PFA player's of the year award and most likely it's a Man Utd fan who started it.